Wisky Coach, Players, Media blaming officials for loss

[iahawkeyes17]

When guy ran over dujken couldn't believe was a defensive foul. Plus not only did he step on the line could have called a traveling for moving one foot he had on the ground.

All that being said find it funny that karma finally bit Bo and wisconsin in the butt and at the worst possible time. As mentioned by someone else the looks on gasser, koenings and dekkers face when they commit a foul is priceless. You'd think these guys have never committed one always with the shocked whiny face and hands in the air with a look of bewilderment. Plus Bo and his constant whining and sideline antics and yet never gets a T. Did Bo forget in his post game bitchfest how few fouls they had in the first half and that dukes best player okafer was in foul trouble as well as Winslow.

Wisconsin lost because they settled for jumpers and couldn't make shots and duke executed better on offense and made their shots in last 4 minutes simple as that. Just like end of Kentucky game Wisconsin earned it by doing the same thing.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Officiating is really hard.........but its not impossible. The Badgers should blame the officiating. It wasn't just the foul disparity. Most of Duke's fouls came very late in the half, after the game was decided.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes you get cheated. Sadly, last night was one of the latter category.

 

[CuttyDoesIt]

Originally posted by MepoDawg#:
Fouls: Wisky 15, Duke 13. How is it unfair or uneven? Wisky got the calls in the first half and didn't take advantage especially when Winslow and Okafor sat quite a bit with 2 fouls each. Duke got the calls in the second half and took advantage. Looking at the whole game overall, it was pretty even.
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Yup. Winslow and Okafor both had 2 fouls with 7 minutes to go in the first half… and somehow Duke made it out of the first half tied.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I can see their argument with the officiating in the 2nd half, but the first half was lopsided the other way. So it evened out personally, but I just don't get how you can whistle Duke for hand checks and bodying up in the 1st half and then just go away from it? If its a foul in the first half, its the same in the 2nd half. It was almost like they were protecting them in the 2nd half?? Im not saying that costed Wisky, their poor offensive execution down the stretch killed them. Dekker was a no-show and Wisky's guards struggled all night.

College Basketball Officiating has been a hot topic all year. Several coaches, Media outlets, and even NBA players say the college game has gone downhill. Officiating is one the major problems, and I don't know how you fix it? You can speed up the shot clock all you want, but until officiating gets consistent across the board, your going to have nights like you had last night.

I do not know what conferences those officials work ( Driscoll works in Big Ten, Derossa ain't he a Big 12 guy, and the other official I have no idea). I Know these guys work 3-4 leagues every year. I would personally say maybe just have them work one. Then when it comes to the NCAA, the higher seeds gets their conference officials for that game? I don't know if that would work or not, but you see some of the NCAA games where the neutral officials take over and its horrible.

I know its easy to criticize these officials, but the thing that bugged me last night was the review process. I have hated it all year and last night same thing. They go to the monitor and waste time checking stupid things, that someone sitting at the scorers table could figure out. Have the "alternate" official sit there and watch the review and make the call. Jesus this having all 3 come over and look at it, it just wastes time and drags the game down.

 

[cg8284]

Originally posted by Vroom_C14:

Originally posted by cg8284:
I was pulling for Wisconsin but don't feel bad for them at all with the calls that were made. This is the state of college basketball. Grabbing and hip checking on the perimeter goes uncalled and the teams who take advantage of it win.

But the thing about it is, Duke was doing it to Wisky and not getting called. How can you accept that? If it were Iowa in place of Wisconsin you can bet your a$$ that this board would be lit up as well.

I have no love for Duke and wanted the B1G to win a NC so the B1G would garner more respect (if even for a day) from the press (as the B1G has done something to piss the press off the past 10years).

Not a huge Wisc fan, but really wanted to see the NC come here (similar to OSU, can't stand'em but glad they put the B1G in relevancy again).

Uh yeah, that's my point. They were doing it and not getting called. How do I accept it? Because I see it every single game throughout the entire year. It has been this way for years and is getting worse. If you actually start watching a game nowadays and expect any different you're just fooling yourself. They aren't going to change until the NCAA makes them change. This is what college basketball is.

 

[bizkitsngravy]

Hey Ryan hey Koenig CRY ME AN EFFING RIVER. Do you know why you are called for the least amount of fouls during b!0 play it is because you have the reffs in your back pocket, more accurately said is that you get called for the least amount of fouls, NOT COMMIT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FOULS. you commit just as many damn fouls as any other team even more so with kaminski committing moving screen after moving screen after moving screen and all the damn hip checks. WELL FINALLY SOME REFFS ACTUALLY HAD THE GUTS TO CALL THEM ON YOU. if B10 refs called the games consistantly the way they should you would have alot more home losses and would finish 2 to 4 spots lower in the B10 standings each year. Damn if refs called Iowa home games like they call MSU/Wisky home games we would heck any team would finish higher. Stop crying and Whining because you finally got treated by the refs like they treat b10 teams at your place you got your just deserts now eat it and enjoy it.

but ty for beating KY.

 

[johnnashhawk]

+1. Gracious in defeat. Nice role model Bo. I didn't watch the game, but read 2 headlines on stories today. One the officiating bashing, the other the criticism of what Bo calls rent-a-player. lol. He's not making many friends, but as I said all along, he'll parlay this into superior recruiting for yrs to come. Suck it up crybaby. Tom Davis could teach this freakshow a lesson in sportsmanship.

 

[5StarHawk]

The game was called differently in the second half because Duke REALLY stepped up their effort level, their aggressiveness, and their driving the lane. Wisconsin fouled more because it was much harder to guard Duke in the second half. Duke coaching staff made that change and that is why Wisky fouled more. Now, I did think two of the blocking fouldson Wisky, I would have called Duke charges, but those are tough calls.
Wisconsin fouls less than other teams because they are better coached. They work on position like crazy. That is why Kaminsky could guard Okafor one on one without help without fouling him. No other team all season guarded Okafor one on one in the post. Okafor got out of position repeatedly on Kaminsky and got into foul trouble in only a few minutes. Bo has Wisky do drills like practice defense holding tennis balls so they do not use their hands excessively. Notice how few shots Wisconsin tries to block? Its purposeful. Bo wants his players to stay in excellent position and stay on the ground instead. That is also how Kaminsky never gets in foul trouble. He seldom tries to block shots. Wisconsin seldom has their bigs having to come flying in to block shots when their team mates get beat. It is part of why Ryan is a hall of fame coach. He won three or four National titles in Div III and has made it to Final Four back to back. He knows how to coach. You can claim all he does is bitch at refs and somehow that gets him 17 wins in Big Ten season, wins the BT Tmt, beats N Carolina, Arizona, undefeated Kentucky and almost Duke.. but you couldn't be more wrong.
Like him or hate him, he is the best coach in the Big Ten. Until this year, Izzo always had more talent every year. Bo has a better winning percentage over his twelve years in BT. Better winning percentage with less talent.
I own 8 of his coaching videos. You can see how he coaches, see his philosophies on O and D. It all makes sense. It all works on the court. Bo has coached for forty years. How many refs do you think he has had over that time, all over the country. And fans think he got hundreds and hundreds of refs to do his bidding for forty years. I am not buying it. And if he was able to do that, well, then I am even more impressed with the guy.
I do agree, he wins the crusty guy award, looks like the Grinch, complains a lot. But what coach does not do those same things. Coach K makes as many evil faces as Bo, many more.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Originally posted by 5StarHawk:
The game was called differently in the second half because Duke REALLY stepped up their effort level, their aggressiveness, and their driving the lane. Wisconsin fouled more because it was much harder to guard Duke in the second half. Duke coaching staff made that change and that is why Wisky fouled more. Now, I did think two of the blocking fouldson Wisky, I would have called Duke charges, but those are tough calls.
Wisconsin fouls less than other teams because they are better coached. They work on position like crazy. That is why Kaminsky could guard Okafor one on one without help without fouling him. No other team all season guarded Okafor one on one in the post. Okafor got out of position repeatedly on Kaminsky and got into foul trouble in only a few minutes. Bo has Wisky do drills like practice defense holding tennis balls so they do not use their hands excessively. Notice how few shots Wisconsin tries to block? Its purposeful. Bo wants his players to stay in excellent position and stay on the ground instead. That is also how Kaminsky never gets in foul trouble. He seldom tries to block shots. Wisconsin seldom has their bigs having to come flying in to block shots when their team mates get beat. It is part of why Ryan is a hall of fame coach. He won three or four National titles in Div III and has made it to Final Four back to back. He knows how to coach. You can claim all he does is bitch at refs and somehow that gets him 17 wins in Big Ten season, wins the BT Tmt, beats N Carolina, Arizona, undefeated Kentucky and almost Duke.. but you couldn't be more wrong.
Like him or hate him, he is the best coach in the Big Ten. Until this year, Izzo always had more talent every year. Bo has a better winning percentage over his twelve years in BT. Better winning percentage with less talent.
I own 8 of his coaching videos. You can see how he coaches, see his philosophies on O and D. It all makes sense. It all works on the court. Bo has coached for forty years. How many refs do you think he has had over that time, all over the country. And fans think he got hundreds and hundreds of refs to do his bidding for forty years. I am not buying it. And if he was able to do that, well, then I am even more impressed with the guy.
I do agree, he wins the crusty guy award, looks like the Grinch, complains a lot. But what coach does not do those same things. Coach K makes as many evil faces as Bo, many more.

I agree that Bo is probably the best coach at getting the most out of his players in the B1G. However, I don't think every player is right for him and his system. And that's not a judgement of the coach or system. Nor is every player that Bo wants right for WI- see JU. In these ways, he's sort of like Bobby Knight was.

Duke started driving from the wings more in the 2nd half because they realized they had to. But they did that some before the half because of Duke's foul situation. Yet the change in reffing didn't really happen until after the half. Coach K must have made an evil face.

 

[OnceAhawk]

Originally posted by iahawkeyes17:
When guy ran over dujken couldn't believe was a defensive foul. Plus not only did he step on the line could have called a traveling for moving one foot he had on the ground.

All that being said find it funny that karma finally bit Bo and wisconsin in the butt and at the worst possible time. As mentioned by someone else the looks on gasser, koenings and dekkers face when they commit a foul is priceless. You'd think these guys have never committed one always with the shocked whiny face and hands in the air with a look of bewilderment. Plus Bo and his constant whining and sideline antics and yet never gets a T. Did Bo forget in his post game bitchfest how few fouls they had in the first half and that dukes best player okafer was in foul trouble as well as Winslow.

Wisconsin lost because they settled for jumpers and couldn't make shots and duke executed better on offense and made their shots in last 4 minutes simple as that. Just like end of Kentucky game Wisconsin earned it by doing the same thing.

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Agree with you in that It is ironic that Bo gets all the calls thru the B1G season yet he gets the short end of the stick in the biggest game in 74 years (last time WI won the national title)

I get so sick of hearing how Wisconsin never fouls; the media has shoved this narrative down viewers throats; so what happened in the 2nd half? Did WI suddenly get sloppy where they committed 13 fouls? Or was something else going on? I don't know the answer and have no skin in the game; I am just glad I am not a WI fan.

Can /will anything ever be done w/ inconsistent officiating?

Meanwhile, I think WI messed up in the 1st half; with Okafer and Winslow sitting due to foul trouble, WI did not pull ahead; when the game was tied at half, it clearly was a win for Duke

 

[OnceAhawk]

GOOD POINTS

we need consistency and that is not what we are getting;

Originally posted by DavenportHawk8:
I can see their argument with the officiating in the 2nd half, but the first half was lopsided the other way. So it evened out personally, but I just don't get how you can whistle Duke for hand checks and bodying up in the 1st half and then just go away from it? If its a foul in the first half, its the same in the 2nd half. It was almost like they were protecting them in the 2nd half?? Im not saying that costed Wisky, their poor offensive execution down the stretch killed them. Dekker was a no-show and Wisky's guards struggled all night.

College Basketball Officiating has been a hot topic all year. Several coaches, Media outlets, and even NBA players say the college game has gone downhill. Officiating is one the major problems, and I don't know how you fix it? You can speed up the shot clock all you want, but until officiating gets consistent across the board, your going to have nights like you had last night.

I do not know what conferences those officials work ( Driscoll works in Big Ten, Derossa ain't he a Big 12 guy, and the other official I have no idea). I Know these guys work 3-4 leagues every year. I would personally say maybe just have them work one. Then when it comes to the NCAA, the higher seeds gets their conference officials for that game? I don't know if that would work or not, but you see some of the NCAA games where the neutral officials take over and its horrible.

I know its easy to criticize these officials, but the thing that bugged me last night was the review process. I have hated it all year and last night same thing. They go to the monitor and waste time checking stupid things, that someone sitting at the scorers table could figure out. Have the "alternate" official sit there and watch the review and make the call. Jesus this having all 3 come over and look at it, it just wastes time and drags the game down.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

The irony of Wisconsin getting an old fashioned Phil Bova/Jim Bain style raping does, indeed, make it hard to sympathize with their complaints.

 

[J_Heater]

Originally posted by The Sleeping Dog:
Officiating is really hard.........but its not impossible. The Badgers should blame the officiating. It wasn't just the foul disparity. Most of Duke's fouls came very late in the half, after the game was decided.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes you get cheated. Sadly, last night was one of the latter category.

How can you say shit like this and keep a straight face. Did you just make it up and throw out there and hope people accept it as fact. It's not only factually wrong it's stupid.

Duke had 13 fouls. 7 of them in the first half. So much for "most of duke's fouls came when the game was decided" theory.

They had 4 more fouls in the 2nd half when Wisconsin was in the lead.

They had one more foul called when the game was tied with 6 minutes left.

That leaves 1 foul when the game was decided.

You are clueless.

 

[hawkeyedude#1]

Thank God Iowa fans never complain about officials.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Originally posted by kzoohawk80:
And they have a right to complain. That game was officiated one sided in the second half.
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I agree, and I didn't care a lot who won.

To me the difference was:

1) Duke players were jumping into the defender when driving and then shooting, especially the mid range shots

2) Duke had two very obvious charge calls that were not called charges - one called a block, one ignored

3) Duke had a flagrant foul that was ignored

4) Duke was able to mug them on the defensive end, MSU style. Wisky doesn't defend that way (to reduce fouls).


#1 and at least one of the charge calls was not obvious to many fans imo, but as a ball player it stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Originally posted by DanHawkPella:

Originally posted by kzoohawk80:
And they have a right to complain. That game was officiated one sided in the second half.
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I agree, and I didn't care a lot who won.

To me the difference was:

1) Duke players were jumping into the defender when driving and then shooting, especially the mid range shots

2) Duke had two very obvious charge calls that were not called charges - one called a block, one ignored

3) Duke had a flagrant foul that was ignored

4) Duke was able to mug them on the defensive end, MSU style. Wisky doesn't defend that way (to reduce fouls).


#1 and at least one of the charge calls was not obvious to many fans imo, but as a ball player it stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

This is correct.
I'm sorry some of you hate Bo. But he is one of the best college basketball coaches EVER. It's not because he complains during games, virtually all coaches do it. It's because he teaches players to do things the right way better than just about anyone. Wisconsin players are rarely out of position. You'll notice they take hits in the center of their chests. They rotate well, don't reach nearly as often as most and when they do the ball goes down not up. They are not MSU.
they were the least fouling team for the entire season for a reason. Were having only 2 in the first half a problem, IDK. Point out the fouls that were as questionable as the second half.
Coach K did not win this game on his coaching ability or his players ability he won it knowing that if he kept pushing the same button the officials would never deny the great coach K. And he was right.