Would anyone change their flight plans based on Boeing?
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United is pissed:
United Airline's Chief Executive Scott Kirby vented his frustrations about Boeing's inability to overcome production quality lapses in its 737 Max jets that climaxed earlier this month with a plug door ripping off an Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 flight.
Kirby told CNBC's Phil LeBeau on 'Squawk Box' that he is "disappointed" in Boeing's continuous manufacturing problems and the need for it to restore its previous reputation for quality.
He said the Max 10, which still needs to be certified by the Federal Aviation Administration, is five years behind schedule and could be pushed further into the future. This promoted the executive to reveal United has arrived at a critical inflection point with Boeing:
"We pushed further and further to the right and already started working on alternative plans, and the Max 9 groundings are the straw that broke the camel's back for us, and we'll build a plan that doesn't have the Max 10 in it," Kirby told LeBeau.
Currently, United has 79 Max 9 aircraft in its fleet, the most of any other carrier. The company said in a fourth-quarter earnings update on Monday that the plane's grounding after the Alaska Airlines incident will drive a first-quarter loss.
Kirby wasn't specific about how much he would reduce the standing order of Max 10 jets and whether he would replace those jets with Boeing's European rival Airbus.
As they should be... I won't arrange my travel plans around Boeing, however. This is what happens when you have money people running an airplane manufacturer rather than engineers and airplane people.
What do people say now that *checks notes* … United’s CEO publicly agrees with me?
Ooh this is awkward.
Ooh this is awkward.
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Bingo, Boeing was a great company…and then the Bean Counters took over…
I answered yes…as we do have a big trip this fall and I’m looking at airfare and am paying attention to what planes the routes are typically flown with for that airline. It’s not perfect as they can change it whenever, but I’m making an effort. I would prefer not to travel on any of the recent 737’s or 787 now.
Mr. Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Don’t Read Good, here you go:
United Airline's Chief Executive Scott Kirby vented his frustrations about Boeing's inability to overcome production quality lapses in its 737 Max jets that climaxed earlier this month with a plug door ripping off an Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 flight.
Kirby told CNBC's Phil LeBeau on 'Squawk Box' that he is "disappointed" in Boeing's continuous manufacturing problems and the need for it to restore its previous reputation for quality.
Right, but what did you mean the CEO agrees with you, what will people say, this is awkward?
It is a mess. I'm glad I don't fly much
And this is why I don't get on a f***ing plane.............untrustworthy rat bastards.
I swear if I could drive to Cancun in March without getting abducted while driving through Mexico, I would.
I swear if I could drive to Cancun in March without getting abducted while driving through Mexico, I would.
A bumblebee scientifically can’t fly. But it does. If they risk it everyday. Why not us.
Or die mysteriously from the resort food.
Fly a lot and never worry about it. Better chance of me falling down the stairs, getting hit by a bus or getting in a car wreck and dying then there is getting in a plane crash.
Everyone that uses Boeing across the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_operators
Everyone that uses Boeing across the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_operators
Check out Downfall: The Case against Boeing.
Its a documentary made about the crashes and subsequent grounding related to the MCAS system. that was an engineering and design fault. But what was most memorable to me was the decline in workmanship and lack of quality control reported by longtime employees at many of their facilities. It's like an appliance company that starts half assing putting their refrigerators together and that's why stuff like that breaks more now than it used to. But this is with airplanes...
Its a documentary made about the crashes and subsequent grounding related to the MCAS system. that was an engineering and design fault. But what was most memorable to me was the decline in workmanship and lack of quality control reported by longtime employees at many of their facilities. It's like an appliance company that starts half assing putting their refrigerators together and that's why stuff like that breaks more now than it used to. But this is with airplanes...
United hiring pilots based on DEI and not experience and training should give everybody pause.
You’re missing out if you opt not to fly on a 787. I haven’t heard about any recent issues with the airframe and it is the most pleasant flying experience out there (from Boeing) right now.
And Airbus isn’t immune from issues. Their A320neo jets use a Pratt & Whitney turbofan engine that has significant issues.
You could both drive or fly to Cancun in March with zero issues.
I would submit that any “diverse” pilot that United has on staff is overly qualified for their job because of the shit they had to put up with and hoops they had to jump through to get to where they are
Terrible rumor.
Yes there was a book written a long time ago about this, even professors used it in teachings.
However, the book contained numerous incorrect calculations, etc.
It’s not like you can just hire anyone. You have to be a certified pilot with so many hours logged. People believe anything they read these days.
Have I mentioned that Boeing started tanking under the watch of their last CEO, who was from, wait for it, Iowa State 😉
Coincidence? I think not. Dennis Muhlenberg is a shit person who has the blood of over 500 people all over his hands thanks to the 2 max crashes. May he rot in eternal hellfire when he dies.
Coincidence? I think not. Dennis Muhlenberg is a shit person who has the blood of over 500 people all over his hands thanks to the 2 max crashes. May he rot in eternal hellfire when he dies.
Planes fly on what the computers control. The two people sitting at the controls are there to make sure the computers are operating correctly, right?
Imagine passing up the opportunity to see a door fly off and have the pressure rip off the top of the woman sitting next to the door?
You really going to pass that up because you "might die?"
You really going to pass that up because you "might die?"
To an extent yes. Not completely. Fly by wire planes are supposed to be inherently unstable. Their instability offers advantages in maneuverability, design, speed and configuration. The flip side is if there's no back up and the computer takes over you're fd. The pilots in the Max crashes didn't know you could disable the stab trim switch by just flipping a switch. Boeing omitted this nugget from the manual. Instead they tried to do it manually using rudder and throttle inputs. Ultimately they ran out of attitude, stalled the plane and crashed. Boeing is in deep shit. The lawsuits haven't even begun.
Since your explanation reflects an understanding of the issue that is far greater than my knowledge I bow to your expertise on the subject.
I was raised in Renton, Washington and my folks and their friends worked at Boeing for a long time. My dad's thesis is on landing gears 😉
They left before Boeing became a shitshow.
Are you flying in/out of O’Hare? Then: yes.
But not because of the aircraft. It’s because of the gangs.
That reminds me need to book another weekend back in Chicago in March for a long weekend. Need a break from this working bullshit.
I’ll give Boeing credit for not having the ‘whirring noises’ Airbuses have
The “dog barking” and whining noises on the A319 and A320 jets are something else.
I flew a 787-10 in October and was blown away. Comfortable, large windows, cabin humidity higher than any other airframe, etc.
I'm scheduled on a 737 Max 9 on Sunday. Only reason I considered changing was potential for cancellation. United has been doing a good job of shuttling in new metal to handle the routes but still canceling like a third of scheduled flights on the Max 9. So it is more a scheduling concern for me than a doors are going to blow open in the sky concern. U.S. aviation is the safest it has ever been and the easily the safest in the world.
