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Would Brian consider a wildcat package for Sampson E?

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Evans has a real skill set and it would be a look that isn't on film (haha) for us. Im reading all the articles and it seems up in the air on where he will even play. What thinks you guys?

FWIW I think he would be the best "Easley" WR we could put on the feild.
 
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I think I’ll wait for him to show up at practice first. Haven’t heard so much hype for a player since weghers.
Yea me too. Im not anticipating the wildcat but it could happen. Im also not convinced that Evans is the kind of athlete Wegher was. I know he put up good numbers but I'm on the fence as it pertains to Samsons future stardom.
 
I think he could do some damage as RB/slot hybrid. Just from looking at his tape, he'd be lethal on jet sweeps which is something Iowa has never been able to do well. Any type of counter action or misdirection would be good with Evans. Get him into space. But that's probably a couple years away. However, he looks like he could solve this year's woeful punt return problems immediately.
 
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Does anybody even use that effectively anymore?

It hasn't been excluded from the playbook due to personnel. We've had playmakers and it's not like you need all world talent for it.

I stopped wondering/wishing for things like this a few years ago unless it becomes a regular part of the offense. Even when KF has had strong offenses those "one off" gadget type plays have been miserable. It'd be interesting (or should I say ugly) to see a summary of results on reverses and endarounds during his tenure.
 
Does anybody even use that effectively anymore?

It hasn't been excluded from the playbook due to personnel. We've had playmakers and it's not like you need all world talent for it.

I stopped wondering/wishing for things like this a few years ago unless it becomes a regular part of the offense. Even when KF has had strong offenses those "one off" gadget type plays have been miserable. It'd be interesting (or should I say ugly) to see a summary of results on reverses and endarounds during his tenure.

I hate the wildcat when they use a running back who is not a threat to throw. The Falcons have run it with Sanu and he has a big arm and can throw, so I think it is alright once every few games or so max
 
Does anybody even use that effectively anymore?

It hasn't been excluded from the playbook due to personnel. We've had playmakers and it's not like you need all world talent for it.

I stopped wondering/wishing for things like this a few years ago unless it becomes a regular part of the offense. Even when KF has had strong offenses those "one off" gadget type plays have been miserable. It'd be interesting (or should I say ugly) to see a summary of results on reverses and endarounds during his tenure.

Wisconsin uses it lethally and their offense isn't that much different than Iowa's. The difference is they've had athletes like Peavy to run the jet sweeps and they regularly shift him running in front of the QB when in shotgun formations with a RB next to the QB. Gives them a "triple option" look (hand-off to WR crossing, hand-off to RB, or QB fakes to either one or both and then passes the ball--play action). No reason Iowa couldn't throw that wrinkle into their offense if they have the right athletes like Evans to do it.
 
I’m sure Brian might, but Kirk won’t. So won’t happen

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You never know, probably not, maybe.

Iowa successfully converted a fake punt and successfully recovered an early on-side kick while holding a lead .....both in the same game. Name another game that has happened or attempted in the last 40 years of Iowa football.

I'm guessing Brian gets more latitude next season. Not a big fan of the wildcat but Samson Evens would be an excellent player to run it IMO.
 
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I said in the other thread. I think he is a clone of Jack Hockaday. He's not an offensive skill player at this level. He is a safety or if he gains weight like Hockaday did he's a linebacker
 
Evans has a real skill set and it would be a look that isn't on film (haha) for us. Im reading all the articles and it seems up in the air on where he will even play. What thinks you guys?

FWIW I think he would be the best "Easley" WR we could put on the feild.

I'd doubt it. We have faster, more athletic players on the roster right now we don't do this with.

Don't get me wrong, the kid looks like a great athlete but his 4.65 40 time does not scream "get him on the field no matter what."
 
Evans has a real skill set and it would be a look that isn't on film (haha) for us. Im reading all the articles and it seems up in the air on where he will even play. What thinks you guys?

FWIW I think he would be the best "Easley" WR we could put on the feild.

It looks like Iowa took him because he's a very good overall player, and they will try to figure out where he best belongs once he gets here. Pass-catching RB perhaps? Maybe defense?
 
Well, I'll go by the laser 40 time. Hand time, I'm sure he is a 4.4.

a. 2/10 of one second is not going to help you if you are out of position or make the wrong read. I would play a smart and consistent 4.6 guy over a vacuous or inconsistent player 4.4 every day of the week.

b. with the possible exception of WR and DB, quickness -not speed- is a more important football skill/talent. For LBs, lateral quickness is a VIP factor. Speed is also important but it is secondary to intelligence/instinct and quickness IMO.

c. The shuttle drill is a better football skill measurement that the 40 yard dash IMO. 5,10 yard shuttle stop-go and cone drills more closely resemble typical football movements for most positions IMO.
 
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Evans has a real skill set and it would be a look that isn't on film (haha) for us. Im reading all the articles and it seems up in the air on where he will even play. What thinks you guys?

FWIW I think he would be the best "Easley" WR we could put on the feild.
The short answer for that is no.
 
a. 2/10 of one second is not going to help you if you are out of position or make the wrong read. I would play a smart and consistent 4.6 guy over a vacuous or inconsistent player 4.4 every day of the week.

b. with the possible exception of WR and DB, quickness -not speed- is a more important football skill/talent. For LBs, lateral quickness is a VIP factor. Speed is also important but it is secondary to intelligence/instinct and quickness IMO.

c. The shuttle drill is a better football skill measurement that the 40 yard dash IMO. 5,10 yard shuttle stop-go and cone drills more closely resemble typical football movements for most positions IMO.

Well, you're missing my main point. Why would we run the wildcat with this guy when there are people already on the roster with better measurables and times better than this kid who has yet to even have his first practice?

The condescending tone is a little annoying. I played D1 ball. It's kind of annoying to have the above explained by yourself to me, although I did chuckle a bit.
 
I though ISU was pretty effective using Lanning situationally at QB. I'm not sure wildcat with Freshman is good idea, but if Peyton Mansell is truly a dual threat (or Boyle), why not incorporate something different situationally? Iowa offenses have been ranged from bad to average 90% of the time--the downside is somewhat limited.
 
Well, you're missing my main point. Why would we run the wildcat with this guy when there are people already on the roster with better measurables and times better than this kid who has yet to even have his first practice?

The condescending tone is a little annoying. I played D1 ball. It's kind of annoying to have the above explained by yourself to me, although I did chuckle a bit.
My apologies, I didn't mean to come across as condescending. You mentioned players with better "measurables and times" and I assume you mean 40 yard times, right?

My point was that immeasurables are often more important. The fastest player is nearly worthless in a wildcat if he takes the snap and rarely finds the hole. Samson appears to have very good instincts as a running QB and has shown the ability to gain yards after contact.

I think you would agree that a wildcat would also demonstrate decent passing skills. Evans has that also. Mansell would be a good option. Not trying to be confrontation, which players on the roster were you referring to?
 
I think he could do some damage as RB/slot hybrid. Just from looking at his tape, he'd be lethal on jet sweeps which is something Iowa has never been able to do well. Any type of counter action or misdirection would be good with Evans. Get him into space. But that's probably a couple years away. However, he looks like he could solve this year's woeful punt return problems immediately.

We saw what McCaffery did to us, and some of us saw what he did to the entirety of college football, and he didn't do it through the wildcat. Follow Stanford's gameplan, there is rich ground to imitate there.
 
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a. 2/10 of one second is not going to help you if you are out of position or make the wrong read. I would play a smart and consistent 4.6 guy over a vacuous or inconsistent player 4.4 every day of the week.

b. with the possible exception of WR and DB, quickness -not speed- is a more important football skill/talent. For LBs, lateral quickness is a VIP factor. Speed is also important but it is secondary to intelligence/instinct and quickness IMO.

c. The shuttle drill is a better football skill measurement that the 40 yard dash IMO. 5,10 yard shuttle stop-go and cone drills more closely resemble typical football movements for most positions IMO.

Stop this now, we can't have this kind of deep introspection on this board.
 
Well, you're missing my main point. Why would we run the wildcat with this guy when there are people already on the roster with better measurables and times better than this kid who has yet to even have his first practice?

The condescending tone is a little annoying. I played D1 ball. It's kind of annoying to have the above explained by yourself to me, although I did chuckle a bit.


Maybe but let's keep in perspective there is a whole "fan section" on this board that struggles with what he said.
 
Evans has a real skill set and it would be a look that isn't on film (haha) for us. Im reading all the articles and it seems up in the air on where he will even play. What thinks you guys?

FWIW I think he would be the best "Easley" WR we could put on the feild.
Well, they never tried that type of package for Ryan Boyle, so I doubt that they would for Evans.
 
Well, you're missing my main point. Why would we run the wildcat with this guy when there are people already on the roster with better measurables and times better than this kid who has yet to even have his first practice?

The condescending tone is a little annoying. I played D1 ball. It's kind of annoying to have the above explained by yourself to me, although I did chuckle a bit.

As a D1 I would assume you saw some pretty impressive athletes with impressive measurables that never saw the field for a variety of reasons. The speculation on running the wildcat with this guy is very premature. It isn't however based on the measurables of any current or future players. You had teammates who fell into the 'workout warrior' group and then the guys who play because they are players.
 
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As a D1 I would assume you saw some pretty impressive athletes with impressive measurables that never saw the field for a variety of reasons. The speculation on running the wildcat with this guy is very premature. It isn't however based on the measurables of any current or future players. You had teammates who fell into the 'workout warrior' group and then the guys who play because they are players.

You'd be surprised, maybe not about how many athletic "freaks" really don't see the field. Pretty important to be a "freak" between the ears more than anything else.

I've never thought a gimmick that is run not even a handful of play per game was a very effective strategy. Knowing Ferentz they way we do, I wouldn't hold my breath for it to happen.
 
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You'd be surprised, maybe not about how many athletic "freaks" really don't see the field. Pretty important to be a "freak" between the ears more than anything else.

I've never thought a gimmick that is run not even a handful of play per game was a very effective strategy. Knowing Ferentz they way we do, I wouldn't hold my breath for it to happen.

I wouldn't be surprised at how many don't see the field, that was my premise. I thought dismissing the wildcat because there were better measurables on campus already and they haven't run it. I don't think it should be part of a base offense. That being said there is something to be said to getting some things on tape for an opponent to have to waste prep time on .
 
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