is how you beat the snot out of someone by 24 then turn around and lose to that same team... especially with so much on the line. Yes, road games are usually tough, but it's amazing how quicky that gap closed. It's like you beat up the wimpy kid at school, take his lunch money, then somehow that same kid gets strong enough in a couple weeks to turn around and knock you out.
Yes, bad losses happen. But what I don't get
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1-20 3pt shooting two weeks ago
10-28 tonight!!
That's a 27pt swing right there. Also not to mention the FT issues:
PSU 17-22
IOwA 25-35
4pt loss and those two stats prove a HUGE issue.
10-28 tonight!!
That's a 27pt swing right there. Also not to mention the FT issues:
PSU 17-22
IOwA 25-35
4pt loss and those two stats prove a HUGE issue.
Not closing out on shooters. Haven't for 3 weeks
I was getting upset that Iowa was playing so much zone lately. It seemed like Iowa was playing really good man to man and then we went zone.
Well watching tonight I realize why, teams can take Woody away from the basket and that opens a lot of options. So now I realize why we play zone, keeping Woody in the paint helps. But tonight that Jaaks kid owned Woody. We had no answer which is sad.
Well watching tonight I realize why, teams can take Woody away from the basket and that opens a lot of options. So now I realize why we play zone, keeping Woody in the paint helps. But tonight that Jaaks kid owned Woody. We had no answer which is sad.
If you really watched that game in Iowa City you would have noticed that a size able portion of that 1-20 was bad shooting and not great defense as it was credited. PSU missed a number of very wide open 3's that night. I fully expected them to make 6 at home but unfortunately they got 10.
Folks we are flat out gassed like we were 2 years ago. The things that goes is our legs. That manifests itself in our ability to move off the ball on offense, slide the feet on defense, hit threes and jump shots, FTs and grab rebounds / loose balls. You put all that together and we are 3-3 and almost 2-4 in our last 6.
Folks we are flat out gassed like we were 2 years ago. The things that goes is our legs. That manifests itself in our ability to move off the ball on offense, slide the feet on defense, hit threes and jump shots, FTs and grab rebounds / loose balls. You put all that together and we are 3-3 and almost 2-4 in our last 6.
This. The Hawks are having a hard time getting out to defend the 3-pt line. I don't know if they are tired or what. There is still plenty of time to right the ship, and I think they can and will, but it must beging next Wednesday. No excuses. No do overs.
Jok said point blank that they played casually and Penn State came out ready to go in the post game interview. (From Rob Howe's write up) Excuse me? Casually? There was probably a bit of calling out his teammates there because he was about the only one who showed up.
This is what I am seeing as well. Our guys are not moving as fast as they were early on. I hate to say it, Fran needs to sub more and give some of the guys a break. I realize we have a week off, but still needs to give the guys a break. I think he needs to use UHL more and for longer stretches. Also think that maybe needs to sit Clemmons or Gessell at times, so they can spell one another. it seems like lately on the road he rides his starting 5 way to long.
Also Iowa's offensive movement is bogged down. The reason it's bogged down is Clemmons and Gesell aren't even being threats. They have to quit passing up shots/plays, it's killing the offensive flow. Baer and Uhl aren't tentative, not sure why these 2 senior starters are. A 2 man show on offense isn't going to work and it's not what got Iowa off to the great conference start. They were getting contributions from all over the team.
Just taking shots doesn't help, you have to make them. Gesell is more likely to go 1-8 than 4-8.
He has to be a threat. He's scored 1000 points in his Iowa career. He won the MSU game in Iowa City. Iowa needs him, Clemmons and Woodbury to step it up. At least make teams guard you.
Both Iowa and Iowa State lack quality depth and at this time of year fresh legs are essential. Remember other teams have coaches and watch film as well. Adjustments are made and when you are not able to substitute guys do not get a chance to take a look from the bench with a coach in their ear.
Uthoff seems to have regressed to his non-aggressive old self. No energy at all. Maybe he is the low energy type and towards the end of the season he just loses his concentration. That's why he starts slow, misses half the free throws, turns the ball over, and gets shots blocked.
I slightly disagree.
One thing that has frustrated me to a great degree this last 4 years is Woodbury hedging on defense :
1. Until this year he picked up at least 2 dumb fouls per game, 25 feet from the basket, being a 7 footer trying to defend a PG out there. He only picked up 1 dumb foul this way tonight.
2. When he doesn't foul if he he keeps on hedging for more than 1 second his man rolls to the basket and the result is Woody guarding a PG while the other team's center gets a pretty much uncontested lay up against our PG. This very thing happened several times tonight.
Woodbury is excellent at hedging. It works probably over 95% of the time.
Where he mad his mistake was guarding that guy too closely. He should have back off and dared him to shoot rather than play up tight.
Thing is that guy probably wasn't even in the scouting report since hes a four year non factor before tonight.
Where he mad his mistake was guarding that guy too closely. He should have back off and dared him to shoot rather than play up tight.
Thing is that guy probably wasn't even in the scouting report since hes a four year non factor before tonight.
If Woodbury is excellent at hedging then why for the last 4 years does he either foul or have his guy roll to the hoop for an easy basket against one of our guards 4/5 times he hedges?
Thats not an accurate assessment.
That is what I think about your assessment that he's successful 95% of the time. He was certainly no where near that tonight.
Agree to disagree sir.
Fair enough.
I would only add that there's no way for Woody to prevent his man from rolling to the basket. Its just the nature of hedging. Its a gamble to defend screens that way no matter what. He has to sprint back and sometimes its just to much ground to cover. If the screener is too wide open than someone else is supposed to help.
That's probably true that if the roller is that open then someone else failed to cover. My point is that the hedge needs to be a quick flash, it's not worth the gamble for him to try and guard a PG 20 feet from the basket. Flash quick to deny the 3 and then get back to their center as quickly as possible. My assessment is that he stays too long.
Ideally thats how you want it to happen but you have to stick with it long enough to turn the ballhandler back the otherway or atlest getting him going away from the basket. If the ballhandler continues to try force the issue and try to get around Woody he has to continue to push them out further or he will basically just be setting a pick on his own teammate.
If the Pg gets around the hedge youre screwed because you end up with two guys in front of no one.
Woodys not the perfect guy to be out there hedging but he does a pretty good job for who he is.
Penn State wanted to win, Iowa didn't. You could see on Iowa players faces no desire, not all, but many they didn't care. Especially Utoff.
Uthoff 31, Gessell and Clemmons are at 30 minutes a game. Jok 27 and Woodbury 24. Morris 38, Niang 33, Thomas 33, McKay 32 and Nader 31.
He didn't play. Didn't hear any explanation as to why. Uhl was the first player off the bench.
yep. Even the first game against PSU, a frightening number of their 19 missed 3's were wide open.
Likely because he hasnt had any added value lately. He hasn't made his shots when he has the opportunity and he is a defensive liability. Can't play if you can't make shots and can't play d
Get out of here with that BS. The loss pissed me off as much as anyone, but the "you could see it on their faces, they didn't want to win" line is the most inaccurate excuse ever. They are division 1 basketball players with a ton on the line, sorry they didn't have enough "want" in their face for you. It's a bad loss, but if you have watched any games over the last 3 years you would notice Uthoff looks the same no matter what, whether it is going well or not. A Jason Dufner of sorts.
This.
Get out of here with that BS. The loss pissed me off as much as anyone, but the "you could see it on their faces, they didn't want to win" line is the most inaccurate excuse ever. They are division 1 basketball players with a ton on the line, sorry they didn't have enough "want" in their face for you. It's a bad loss, but if you have watched any games over the last 3 years you would notice Uthoff looks the same no matter what, whether it is going well or not. A Jason Dufner of sorts.
It's not an excuse for last night, but Iowa's schedule does them ZERO favors. Sunday games suck logistically, for a number of reasons, and Iowa has one every weekend. It's BS. This "bye" they have this weekend will do wonders, and I expect a return to form next week against the dreaded Badgers
Fran's first year - lost at Purdue by 23 points, turns around and beats Purdue at home for their 4th and final conference win of the season. It happens
Get out of here with that BS. The loss pissed me off as much as anyone, but the "you could see it on their faces, they didn't want to win" line is the most inaccurate excuse ever. They are division 1 basketball players with a ton on the line, sorry they didn't have enough "want" in their face for you. It's a bad loss, but if you have watched any games over the last 3 years you would notice Uthoff looks the same no matter what, whether it is going well or not. A Jason Dufner of sorts.
That is my observation and I stand by it, and last I knew Obama hasn't gotten rid of the 1st amendment.
My thoughts exactly. Duke went into North Carolina and won with 5.5 players. They made a total of one sub the entire second half. Dont give me the gassed excuse.
No, it is just a bad observation. Lazy people like to make that "observation" You didn't see anything other than frustration.
He didn't play because he is not very good and Fran has finally figured that out. Unfortunately, this shortens the bench that has been problematic for the last couple of weeks. Certainly makes Fran's poor decision of getting time for either Williams or Fleming any court time coming back to bite him in the posterior
My daughter watched the game with me last night and she only sees about half the games but her comment on Ellingson was "is he just like JO? Is he that bad too?" She nailed it and that is from a part time viewer. If it is that noticeable why can't Fran see that too? Makes you wonder about the real talent level of Williams and Fleming.
