Yet another stock market thread - time line if this is a true crash

[HawkMachine]

A bubble was coming, that's why I sold.

Trump has just accelerated everything.

 

[runkpanole]

A bubble was coming, that's why I sold.

Trump has just accelerated everything.

Who caused it to pop?

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Honest question. When do I start buying and what do I start buying?

 

[bunsen82]

How can you create that much money thru printing as opposed to velocity and not create a bubble?

The printing machine has been on for decades. You can do cuts through reduced spending and reduced hiring and getting rid of poor performers. Not the chaos that Musk has created.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The market was overvalued, so an eventual correction is not surprising.

Honest question. When do I start buying and what do I start buying?

Now. Bullets.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

The printing machine has been on for decades. You can do cuts through reduced spending and reduced hiring and getting rid of poor performers. Not the chaos that Musk has created.

Covid was a lot

The Great R was a lot but looks small in comparison

M2

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M1

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[IIowaFarmBoy]

The printing machine has been on for decades. You can do cuts through reduced spending and reduced hiring and getting rid of poor performers. Not the chaos that Musk has created.

Here is the real problem. We aren't doing anything in the economy to generate real growth and we are way behind. It was used to create asset bubbles in housing and stocks. Not real economic growth. Money velocity has been anemic. Under Obama, the interest rates were artificially low to create consumption. Again went to houses and stocks. The Biden economy was way overrated. There was no where to go but up some.

Trump is still an idiot. My guess is he has vested interest or he truly wants a restart.

Velocity of M2 Money Stock

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[bunsen82]

Covid was a lot

The Great R was a lot but looks small in comparison

M2

View data of a measure of the U.S. money supply that includes all components of M1 plus several less-liquid assets.

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M1

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Then blame trump too, he did the stimulus and wanted the 1st stimulus in 2021 as well. This isn’t a 1 party issue moron. However the current problems are all falling on Trump. He is handling this poorly. And attacking our trade partners, his actions are killing people in Ukraine. He is firmly letting things burn.

 

[seminole97]

 

[Joes Place]

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Then blame trump too, he did the stimulus and wanted the 1st stimulus in 2021 as well. This isn’t a 1 party issue moron. However the current problems are all falling on Trump. He is handling this poorly. And attacking our trade partners, his actions are killing people in Ukraine. He is firmly letting things burn.

Agree but I thought I mentioned him.

 

[seminole97]

 

[seminole97]

 

[pjhawk]

The MAGA's are such total dumbasses per how/where our wealth comes from. They're gonna burn it all down the dumb phucks.

 

[Hans81]

Well then, how much of a correction do you see while under the rug is cleaned? 50% like in 2007? 25% in 2021? More? Less?

Are we sooth sayers? 🤔

 

[Hans81]

He HAS to be doing this on purpose.

😳

 

[KFsdisciple]

Closing DOGE and forcing some restrictions on the POTUS. Currently the issue with the economy is commander tariff running around with no strategy.

What I’m seeing in this thread is this is the democrats’ covid… there’s a boogeyman, we have authoritarian control, there’s lots of theories being floated about the cause and the cure.

This all feels really familiar.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Personal guess is Musk is getting very frustrated. Add in his personal net worth loss, this has not been a good couple months for Musk.

As to the general economy, nothing has really happened, even when taking the tariffs into consideration lots of companies planned ahead by getting their product in now. The issue is if you have a cooling effect in the future if the tariffs are not a a negotion tool, which Trump seems to be changing his philosophy on. It seems they are now thinking they can use tariffs to offset their new tax bill. I am not saying Trump was dealt a good hand. His issue is he took a bad hand, lit it on fire and is trying to pick up the ashes. The government and decrease in government spending will be a hit to the economy. It is hard for me to figure out how many jobs have been lost or how much spending has been cut that will effect the economy. Those are big world numbers beyond my comprehension abilities. I don't see how they don't loosen up the monetary system though, either through lower interest rates and or more money flowing. I think the Nasdaq has a bit more to fall, but those are the major growth areas of the economy as well and they have already taken a significant haircut - nasdaq more than 15%, many of the high fliers more than 50%.

Like yesterday when DOGE was announcing all the waste fraud and abuse they’ve found we were told that it’s a drop in the bucket, Now all of a sudden the government not spending the money will damage the economy?

You guys are all over the map on this thing.

 

[bunsen82]

Like yesterday when DOGE was announcing all the waste fraud and abuse they’ve found we were told that it’s a drop in the bucket, Now all of a sudden the government not spending the money will damage the economy?

You guys are all over the map on this thing.

I have not seen any significant waste or fraud by Doge. Really only a couple things that republicans disagree with. It is firing a large percentage of the workforce and creating massive fear, rather than a controlled decrease. I have been very clear on this.

 

[tumorboy]

What I’m seeing in this thread is this is the democrats’ covid… there’s a boogeyman, we have authoritarian control, there’s lots of theories being floated about the cause and the cure.

This all feels really familiar.

Not really. This is simple. Building factories take years. Not weeks or months. Until there’s clarity businesses will respond accordingly.

 

[bunsen82]

What I’m seeing in this thread is this is the democrats’ covid… there’s a boogeyman, we have authoritarian control, there’s lots of theories being floated about the cause and the cure.

This all feels really familiar.

KF, the markets tell you what they think of Trump and his policy. On a day where you should see a rebound, down at levels in growth stocks where we have bounced before, good report on inflation, other good news, and the market is up, but already in retreat. There is absolutely zero confidence in this market right now. I still think we may take a day or two but will start the next leg down. At that point prices might start to get interesting.