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Iowa sets aside almost $180 million for year two of voucher program
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As many as your dick in inches - zero. Loser. Get a job.
Inflation occurs for lots of reasons. With private schools you now have more people capable of chasing the same product. That's a cause of inflation. Private schools raise their prices in response to higher demand. Classic.
Those same people now have, collectively, millions of dollars in their pockets that they no longer allocate toward school tuition. They're free to spend that money on other things. More money chasing goods. That's inflationary. Classic. Is $180M dollars going to have a significant impact on the Iowa economy? I doubt it - but that doesn't change the facts. If the stimulus checks were inflationary, so must this be.
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anon_911569jwrmy3z
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They are not saving money. I have never said they are saving money. In fact, they will be losing money.
I just continue to be surprised that people think that school vouchers in Iowa are going to result in some magically better result than every other place that has already charged down this path.
And that people still think school vouchers are actually trying to provide better educational outcomes to kids instead of being a giveaway to the conservative religious political base and a way to undercut public schools and devalue education.
And that people still think school vouchers are actually trying to provide better educational outcomes to kids instead of being a giveaway to the conservative religious political base and a way to undercut public schools and devalue education.
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Stimulus checks were inflationary because M2 increased 44% in two years. Inflation starts with increases in Money Supply. ESA credits are not an increase to the money supply.
Without an increase in the money supply, yes, prices would go up in some areas, but they would go down in other areas by an equal amount.
You said "However, it would not be inflationary across the economy as money being spent for goods and services would go down in other places (public schools spending less)."
I am asking what will the school in my scenario spend less on, considering class size only decreased by 1 student per grade level.
I continue to be surprised this is continually argued on here. Anyone who's honest with themselves knows it's bullshit. If the D's were in complete power like the R's in Ioway and they pulled some scheme like this, the R's on here would be pissing themselves a puddle so big the flood of '93 would pale in comparison. As it is, Iowayans in their infinite wisdom can't stop hitting themselves in the nuts and voted R's to appointments across the board. So, the R's won on this issue. They put something unilaterally in place that most R's - when they're honest with themselves and assuming they're not private school brainwashed fools - think is dubious at best.
As utterly awful of a policy as it is in terms of how much it doesn't benefit the majority of Iowayans, it's settled and over. The people of the once great state of Ioway can pick up the pieces of this (and all the other bullshit that Kimberly and her band of $$$ chasers) once it all falls apart. By that time, the dumbshits in the Capitol will be long gone and have made their money. All on the backs of Ioway's aging, fearful, gullible constituency.
I mean...or not. I guess we'll see but I know where my bets are placed. In the meantime - I'll just use threads like this to identify and mock the dipshits. It's god's work.
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That you think prices are dropping anywhere...well...let's just say that's not happening. This is a distraction from the real argument anyway. I'm out.
His arrogance is beyond understanding.
There's a reason his opinions are shared by so few and it has nothing to do with politics.
This is such a weird flex. I don't really get why you think it's edgy.
Weak sauce like everything from you though, bub. I'm not surprised.
You get your multiple accounts sorted this morning ready to dish out the self-likes? Just like how you get laid you're going to need to do it solo.
YOU!
Hmmmm, yeah - it just doesn't hit like you think it does.
Thanks for the self portrait though. I know HORT has been anxiously wondering what you look like. No wonder you never get laid.
Loser. Get a job.
Good for Iowa. I think it will be better overall if public and private schools have to compete against one another. Competition is good.
Then they would have to compete against each other. Private schools don't want any part of that.
Kind of hard to have a competition when the one team doesn't have to follow all the rules.
Public schools are required to educate every child within their district boundaries regardless of disabilities, private schools can refuse enrollment for any child. Public schools are required to do testing and publicly report their scores, private schools are not. Public schools are required to be audited, private schools are not. Public schools have certain curriculum requirements, private schools do not.
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They’re not competing for the same students. The vouchers will go to kids mostly already in private school. The public schools will continue to educate the kids the private have no intention of ever serving.
Then the state should force private schools to operate by some of these same rules if they are getting voucher money.
But that's not even it - the school's are raising their tuitions because of the stimulus provided to the parents who were already paying for tuition themselves. Now those parents have extra $$ to spend on their end and the private schools have extra money to spend on their end as well. It's a money supply issue that the republicans rail against - until it benefits them.
And that's really not the issue - it's that it is wrong for public monies to be subsidizing private schools at the detriment of public schools.
It is absolutely an increase in money supply for the schools and the families who get ESA. To say otherwise is absurd.
In many places we can already compare the results between private and public.
When you put similar demographic sets of students in the comparison, public schools perform as well and many times better than privates.
When we compare students who utilize vouchers to the demographic cohort they left at the public school they perform worse in math and equally in English. (multiple year study of voucher program in Indiana)
I’ve said this before, but there simply no private school available in the Central Indiana area that provides the depth and breadth of educational opportunity and quality for my kids than the public school we chose for them. And our local school, for everything I love about it, is a good/very good school, but not in the elite tier of Indiana public schools.
When you put similar demographic sets of students in the comparison, public schools perform as well and many times better than privates.
When we compare students who utilize vouchers to the demographic cohort they left at the public school they perform worse in math and equally in English. (multiple year study of voucher program in Indiana)
I’ve said this before, but there simply no private school available in the Central Indiana area that provides the depth and breadth of educational opportunity and quality for my kids than the public school we chose for them. And our local school, for everything I love about it, is a good/very good school, but not in the elite tier of Indiana public schools.
It's amazing that we have to teach these idiots over and over and over the same exact stuff and they refuse to accept it. It's like kids refusing to accept that 2+2=4. We have to repeat the same conversations over and over because people won't learn.
I agree, if they get public tax money they should have to play by the same rules.
They also raise their tuition in order to keep the undesirables from being able to afford it. Raise the cost to the level above the voucher to keep kids out that they don't want in there. Generally minorities. That is a fact. St. Paul in Davenport is exhibit A.
1. They must accept every student who applies - same as public schools.
2. They can’t charge any more for voucher students than the voucher pays - same as public schools.
3. They must follow and allocate funds for every accommodation in a student’s IEP/504 - same as public schools
4. No student under 16 may be expelled unless the school fully funds an alternative placement that meets the student’s needs - same as public schools
5. Every student must take every state and local mandated test - same as public schools
Those are good for a start and no more is needed. Private schools don’t want any part of that so you can stop with the “competition” horseshit.
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They will receive less money from the state, so they will have to cut spending or raise additional revenue from taxpayers. If they raise additional revenue from taxpayers, then those taxpayers will have less money.
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I agree it is a distraction from the real argument, but a poster not named AreWeCross entered inflation into the argument.
I appreciate the constructive dialogue. Hope we can remain respectful toward each other in future exchanges.
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This is a great list for why I am against ESA credits. Public schools are playing by a different set of rules than private schools.
More likely they will just have a smaller unspent balance, which isn't real money, but the district's spending authority. One less student per grade level would not provide opportunity to cut spending.
Unspent Budget Authority, also known as “Unspent Balance” is the amount of unused district General Fund capacity to spend on behalf of students, or spending authority, left over at the end of the fiscal year. This funding capacity carries forward into the next fiscal year. It is one-time capacity and may be funded with cash reserve fund balances or a cash reserve levy. The Unspent Budget Authority trend line is the most telling financial indicator school district leaders count on to inform expenditure decisions. Districts whose Unspent Budget Authority is negative are subject to workout plans and enhanced state scrutiny at a minimum; at a maximum, it can result in the closure of the district by the state board of education. The concept of Unspent Budget Authority only applies to the General Fund.
