“College Sports are Pro Sports. The basketball people know Iowa isn’t overrun with Sugar Daddies splashing around serious NIL cash.”

[Max_Rebo]

If we get a new coach, that person will likely get:
$3M (or more) per year (what Fran is making)
5-7 year deal
LARGE BUY OUT if fired

I hope Beth gets the next head coach right; if not, it will be a costly error.

It's been widely reported that we are #18 out of 18 B1G teams when it comes to NIL payments being made. How much do you think that will improve with a new head coach? Do we suddenly rise to the upper half of the B1G?

I am confident that with a new coach, who plays winning basketball and gives fans realistic hope that a deep NCAA run is possible in the near future, we will see more fans in the arena, and more money in the NIL coffers.

It all goes hand-in-hand. When fans are checked out, everything dries up. When fans are engaged, everything gets better.

Will we ever have an NIL program in the top half of the B1G? I don’t know. But we should be able to get into the middle of the pack.

 

[woolridge]

If NIL and fan donations are so important to winning programs how come Kansas State, Kansas, and Indiana have struggled for the most part this year? Look at Purdue, they are very good every year. They develop underrated talent well and they dont run their program by bringing in paid mercenaries. Look at the tournament successes of St. Peter's, Loyola Chicago, VCU, Florida Atlantic, George Mason, Butler, etc. I think the evidence shows high end success is not about money necessarily but about coaching and culture. Bring in a coach who can teach the complete game and motivate players and the donations will follow not the other way around.

 

[Franisdaman]

Assuming the B1G revenue sharing for NIL goes into effect, that won't be true because Iowa is a Top 20 athletic department revenue school and in upper 1/2 of B1G.

I still say that the Iowa job will be ranked one of the worst not only in the B1G but in the entire Power 5 (SEC, B1G, ACC, Big 12, Big East).

Why I say that:

* Most of Iowa's revenue sharing will go to football. See below.

* I would imagine Men's Basketball programs that don't have (or don't care about) football (Creighton, Marquette, UConn, etc) will be spending close to what Iowa will be spending when it comes to revenue sharing.

* And the Creighton, Marquette, UConn, etc. donors are already paying the MBB players (and not many, if any, football players) when it comes to NIL.

 

[BirdistheWord]

So, how many years do you give the new head coach (assuming there is one) to make a Sweet 16? 4 years? 5 years?

That seems reasonable.

 

[Madman_1]

Ummm, the Iowa athletic dept can't throw the "savings" into NIL to pay players.

It's very hard to get the death penalty now a days but with your "logic" you have come up with a way! Good job!

Here's how you do it:

Hire a coach for $1 million a year. To avoid taxes, donate the remaining $2.3 million to a charity for "Homeless Hawkeye Fans."

Then all you need is one dedicated Hawkeye fan willing to be homeless. Use some of the money to feed him and let him camp out at Carver. Give him the rest of the money to him for sundries, and then he uses the money for NIL purposes.

You just have to make sure the fan you pick isn't a mole from the Illini.

 

[Franisdaman]

The way that Fran wants to play is not aligned with winning basketball in the NIL era given the resources that Iowa has. Is there a future where Iowa MBB is really competitive in the NIL era? Don't know. In the end Iowa can try something different with a new head coach and it could fail or they can stay status quo with the same head coach and fail.

It appears very likely that Iowa moves on from Fran.

It will cost up to $4.2M to buy out Fran and several more million if Iowa buys out Devries.

And if we get a new coach, that person will likely get:
$3M (or more) per year (what Fran is making)
5-7 year deal
LARGE BUY OUT if fired

We have heard how good Beth is; lets hope those people are right and she makes the right decisions coming up.

 

[Franisdaman]

I am confident that with a new coach, who plays winning basketball and gives fans realistic hope that a deep NCAA run is possible in the near future, we will see more fans in the arena, and more money in the NIL coffers.

It all goes hand-in-hand. When fans are checked out, everything dries up. When fans are engaged, everything gets better.

Will we ever have an NIL program in the top half of the B1G? I don’t know. But we should be able to get into the middle of the pack.

Hope you are right.

Otherwise, when @EvilMonkeyInTheCloset takes his last breath on earth, he will not have seen a Sweet 16 since 1999!!!!

 

[Franisdaman]

Here's how you do it:

Hire a coach for $1 million a year. To avoid taxes, donate the remaining $2.3 million to a charity for "Homeless Hawkeye Fans."

Then all you need is one dedicated Hawkeye fan willing to be homeless. Use some of the money to feed him and let him camp out at Carver. Give him the rest of the money to him for sundries, and then he uses the money for NIL purposes.

You just have to make sure the fan you pick isn't a mole from the Illini.

I nominate @EvilMonkeyInTheCloset or @Hawksfor3

 

[Franisdaman]

That seems reasonable.

i hope Beth makes the right call (or calls)

 

[BirdistheWord]

3 year deal
$1mm base per year
Bonus of up to $5MM based on B1G, B1G tourney, ncaa tourney

* realize this will never happen

 

[CyberJJ]

Mike Hlas used the "sugar daddy" term in describing Michigan State's NIL program (the owner of the Phoenix Suns played for Izzo).

Billionaire Mark Cuban is an Indiana grad.

Billionaire Phil Knight, the Nike founder, funds Oregon's NIL.

Billionaire Dennis Albaugh funds Iowa State's NIL.

NIL Collectives try to keep what they are paying private; the Tennessee QB's NIL number got leaked, however. So did Gronowski's $1.3M figure, as another example.

From one year ago:

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I get they have a rich donor, but that doesn’t tell us how much they had to spend on NIL. Believe they lost out on two transfers they were in in last year that got more elsewhere. Makes me wonder what they have.

 

[Franisdaman]

I get they have a rich donor, but that doesn’t tell us how much they had to spend on NIL. Believe they lost out on two transfers they were in in last year that got more elsewhere. Makes me wonder what they have.

Players have gotten it all.

* NIL (ie, pay to play)
* Revenue sharing (is coming)
* Not designated as an employee (so what they are earning does not have to be disclosed)

 

[CyberJJ]

Players have gotten it all.

* NIL (ie, pay to play)
* Revenue sharing (is coming)
* Not designated as an employee (so what they are earning does not have to be disclosed)

Was just asking as I interpreted your post to indicate ISU had way more NIL for basket all than Iowa so thought maybe you had seen numbers I hadn’t.

 

[Franisdaman]

Was just asking as I interpreted your post to indicate ISU had way more NIL for basket all than Iowa so thought maybe you had seen numbers I hadn’t.

It's too bad that the numbers aren't public.

All we hear is what gets leaked. For example: we have heard what some of the QBs are getting paid. IIRC, the Michigan QB (who just graduated high school) is getting $3M/year up to $10M total. That's Cooper DeJean type money (what the Eagles are paying Coop).

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[Hawksfor3]

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[CyberJJ]

It's too bad that the numbers aren't public.

All we hear is what gets leaked. For example: we have heard what some of the QBs are getting paid. IIRC, the Michigan QB (who just graduated high school) is getting $3M/year up to $10M total. That's Cooper DeJean type money (what the Eagles are paying Coop).

So in NIL donations schools with states with no income tax have a huge advantage?

 

[RocknRollface]

It’s a false straw man. Very few fans expect “championship” banners. Wisconsin has done it without Duke type talent. I would like to be in the running for a Big Ten title once in a while.

As far as ncaa tourney, same applies. No one is expecting a NC. Final four? Maybe we could dream. I think sweet 16 and elite 8’s would be more realistic.

But 10-10 in the B1G and 7-10 seed occasionally in ncaa tourney is not enough.

So has Purdue.

Purdue has had back to back big ten POYs and they were both players that no one else in the conference had any interest in but Matt Painter is better at his job than his competition.

Iowa leadership needs to stop ****ing around and get McCollum asap, this is the opportunity to hit a home run and get a coach who is better than the competition and they absolutely have to take the shot.

 

[Franisdaman]

So in NIL donations schools with states with no income tax have a huge advantage?

once / if they officially become a resident of that state

 

[RocknRollface]

Ummm, the Iowa athletic dept can't throw the "savings" into NIL to pay players.

It's very hard to get the death penalty now a days but with your "logic" you have come up with a way! Good job!

The ncaa isn't gona do shit to anyone.

They're gona be as quiet as they possibly can and just hope no one notices that they serve no purpose anymore.

 

[intrepodor]

I'll still say this- if you don't play some defense don't expect wins. Word has been out for years- Iowa doesn't like to play defense, it is beyond embarrassing. He has had offensive talent- enough to generate some Sweet 16 runs. Also, he is not a PR coach and that's what you need in today's game. His record speaks for itself, let that sink in. NIL is 3 years old so don't blame that for the prior years.

Remember when Tom Davis engaged with the people of Iowa?
His weekly tv show with Zabel was required tv all over the state. He wasn't aloof like we have now. Who can connect with this guy?

 

[Dude McHawks]

So, you think Iowa might not be a tough job?

Pretty sure the Iowa job is ranked one of the worst not only in the B1G but in the entire Power 5 (SEC, B1G, ACC, Big 12, Big East).

Fran,

Bottom in all power 5 is pretty excessive, would put iowa as a program over probably 5 B1G, 5 big east, many big 12 and several ACC programs. SEC is hot right now but it's only been that way very recently.

You listed a few other programs in another reply, I know one of them had a pretty big sugar daddy disengaged due to a prior coach. I get we aren't swimming in money here but for iowa to be 18th out of 18 on B1G NIL that the coach deserves at least some of the blame.

Or hey maybe Fran's getting as much as he can out of the donor base and we're maxed out in terms of potential. I think we agree that we will find out either way.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Pitino said he's not recruiting high players this year because high schoolers can't replace what they've lost.

The have nots schools will be the training grounds for the schools with the bank accounts. Yea it appears college sports is heading that way.

It's already there

 

[doughuddl2]

If NIL and fan donations are so important to winning programs how come Kansas State, Kansas, and Indiana have struggled for the most part this year? Look at Purdue, they are very good every year. They develop underrated talent well and they dont run their program by bringing in paid mercenaries. Look at the tournament successes of St. Peter's, Loyola Chicago, VCU, Florida Atlantic, George Mason, Butler, etc. I think the evidence shows high end success is not about money necessarily but about coaching and culture. Bring in a coach who can teach the complete game and motivate players and the donations will follow not the other way around.

Purdue finished with the second-most sales of any school at the NIL, which is around 100

Zach Edey received $300K.

 

[danny14]

Five more wins this year and Iowa would have 20, and in the tourney...5 more wins! A guy who stresses defense probably would have pulled that off.

 

[mizzy2442]

So, you think Iowa might not be a tough job?

Pretty sure the Iowa job is ranked one of the worst not only in the B1G but in the entire Power 5 (SEC, B1G, ACC, Big 12, Big East).

If it’s so sh*tty why did you stick around this long? And if you’re so great why didn’t someone else hire you? This place is just the right amount of sh*tty for you?

 

[Hawksfor3]

And if you’re so great why didn’t someone else hire you?

"In Barta we trust".

 

[tweeterhawk]

I am inclined to believe if Fran had Raveling’s recruits he would have made several tourney runs. Just like Dr Tom did until Ravelings recruits were gone .

I don’t believe that for an instant. Some of Raveling’s players were bad-ass dudes who could lock down just about anybody and guard the rim. Fran doesn’t coach defense and my bet is he wouldn’t know how to deal with players from some of the toughest high schools in America.