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seminole97 said:
Contrary to the popular belief that companies flock to China for cheap labour, Cook said that this narrative is outdated. "The popular conception is that companies come to China because of low labor costs. I'm not sure what part of China they go to, but the truth is China stopped being the low labor costs country many years ago," Tim Cook stated, clarifying that the decision to manufacture in China is driven by a different set of factors.
Cook highlighted the unparalleled concentration of skilled labour in China as the primary reason for Apple's manufacturing presence there. He elaborated on the advanced tooling and precision required to produce Apple's products, noting that China's vocational expertise in these areas is unmatched globally.
"The reason is because of the skill, the quantity of skill in one location, and the type of skill it is," he explained. "The tooling skill is very deep here. In the US, you could have a meeting of tooling engineers, and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields."
This extensive pool of skilled workers, Cook argued, is essential for the intricate manufacturing processes that Apple products demand. The CEO's comments got a comment from Tesla CEO Elon Musk who responded with “true” in comments.
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Spot on.

I worked for a company from 2002 to 2012 that had significant offshore manufacturing in China. The change we saw just during that time, primarily related to increases in labor costs, was very significant. All manufacturing was eventually brought back to the U.S. after I left. The labor class has become much more skilled and proficient at solving problems on the fly, very quickly, incorporating changes into manufacturing processes. China is kicking our a$$ in teams of development of these types of positions.
 
jasonrann said:
Spot on.

I worked for a company from 2002 to 2012 that had significant offshore manufacturing in China. The change we saw just during that time, primarily related to increases in labor costs, was very significant. All manufacturing was eventually brought back to the U.S. after I left. The labor class has become much more skilled and proficient at solving problems on the fly, very quickly, incorporating changes into manufacturing processes. China is kicking our a$$ in teams of development of these types of positions.
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All accurate. In the last 5 years I ran a company that sold products globally. I tried like mad to relocate manufacturing outside China. We looked aggressively at the US. We could not find a path where we could get the right machinery and skilled labor in a cost effective and timely fashion. In fairness this was before Biden’s inflation reduction/chips act and in the midst of the supply chain crisis.

For all the talk about tarriffs and military supremacy, those do little if the USA does not have a credible way to manufacture domestically. It is overly simplistic. What we need is skilled labor (mostly in setup/automation/oversight, less in manual assembly) and the machinery/infrastructure to build these products. This is critical to our national security. Otherwise we are beholden to China.

We ended up diversifying our manufacturing with a factory in Mexico - ironically we found a better labor concentration there than in the US. When I left we still were not able to achieve the quality, throughput or speed that we could in China.

The skilled trades are essential to our country. We must normalize that education. Not everyone is meant for college and those kids can earn a great living and contribute actively to our country’s future in the trades. Or they can be yet another barista/influencer struggling to pay their bills.
 
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All accurate. In the last 5 years I ran a company that sold products globally. I tried like mad to relocate manufacturing outside China. We looked aggressively at the US. We could not find a path where we could get the right machinery and skilled labor in a cost effective and timely fashion. In fairness this was before Biden’s inflation reduction/chips act and in the midst of the supply chain crisis.

For all the talk about tarriffs and military supremacy, those do little if the USA does not have a credible way to manufacture domestically. It is overly simplistic. What we need is skilled labor (mostly in setup/automation/oversight, less in manual assembly) and the machinery/infrastructure to build these products. This is critical to our national security. Otherwise we are beholden to China.

We ended up diversifying our manufacturing with a factory in Mexico - ironically we found a better labor concentration there than in the US. When I left we still were not able to achieve the quality, throughput or speed that we could in China.

The skilled trades are essential to our country. We must normalize that education. Not everyone is meant for college and those kids can earn a great living and contribute actively to our country’s future in the trades. Or they can be yet another barista/influencer struggling to pay their bills.
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Great stuff. Thanks for sharing!
 
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I’m of the belief the Israeli’s were going to attack before the election. However, the intelligence leak by the US towards Iran was enough to force the Israeli’s to re-group. Now it’s a question of readiness and Nov 5th. If Israel does not pull the trigger, they may be feeling a Trump victory and buy them more time. If they feel Harris, they may rush an attack that may not meet all of their objectives (or go nuts and hope for the best).
 
LuciousBDragon said:
I’m of the belief the Israeli’s were going to attack before the election. However, the intelligence leak by the US towards Iran was enough to force the Israeli’s to re-group. Now it’s a question of readiness and Nov 5th. If Israel does not pull the trigger, they may be feeling a Trump victory and buy them more time. If they feel Harris, they may rush an attack that may not meet all of their objectives (or go nuts and hope for the best).
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I don’t think a Harris win would affect much in the short term. There are 2.5 months between election and inauguration. Plenty of time for Israel to get itself wholly enmeshed in the war. Even if Harris chose not to support Israel (which would be both wrong and politically stupid) she wouldn’t be able to affect much until Israel needs to buy more weapons and even then there are workarounds. Plus it’s not like Israel is going to sit on their hands for her full term.

I suspect the delays are much more likely due to readiness issues than the election dynamics of an Israeli ally.
 
I’m curious on the damage, but it sure seems like Israel exercised restraint in their response to Iran. Weapons manufacturing sites and SAM sites is a much more light touch than I thought would happen and very reasonable. The way this one was getting played up I thought they might go much bigger including targeting Iranian leadership.

Hopefully Iran realizes they have no chance to win, their leaders realize Israel can reach them anywhere/anytime and they find a way to save face by backing out of further escalation.
 
Regional media reports and government statements have confirmed that Israeli naval forces have captured an alleged senior Hezbollah official in a daring raid launched from the Mediterranean sea on Friday.

The man described as a high-ranking Hezbollah operative has been identified as Imad Amhaz. Commandos on speed boats reportedly landed on a Lebanese beach and snatched him from a cabin in the early morning hours.

"A sizable force, suspected to be Israeli, stealthily touched down on the shores of Batroun in northern Lebanon, roughly 87 miles from the Israeli border, with the intent of snatching a high-ranking terrorist operative from his hideaway in a cabin," Israel's YNet news details, adding that the raid involved 25 Israeli elite troops.

Imad Amhaz, an alleged Hezbollah naval official, via social media
Lebanese national broadcaster National News agency separately described that an "unidentified military force" carried out a "sea landing" at a beach at Batroun, south of Tripoli.

The commando group "went with all its weapons and equipment to a chalet near the beach, kidnapping a Lebanese man... and sailing away into the open sea on a speedboat," NNA added.

Lebanese media is only saying that the man that was nabbed was a "student" of a maritime institute in Lebanon. According to more from eyewitnesses of the strange episode:

He was taken from student housing near the Batroun institute, but was a resident of the Shia-majority town of Qmatiyeh further south, said the acquaintance who spoke on the condition of anonymity for security concerns.

He was completing courses to become a sea captain, the source told AFP, adding that the man was in his thirties and was well known by the teaching staff at the center.
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But the IDF has called the man a "significant source of knowledge" for Hezbollah's naval force. It's expected that Amhaz will be detained and interrogated in a military prison.

"He was taken to Israel to be questioned by the Military Intelligence Directorate’s Unit 504 — which specializes in HUMINT, or human intelligence — on Hezbollah’s naval operations," Times of Israel subsequently reported.

UN peacekeeping forces in South Lebanon have entered the controversy, amid conflicting reports they may have prevented the Lebanese armed forces from responding to the raid (which UNIFIL firmly denies) on Lebanon's sovereign territory and its citizens:

Lebanese journalist Hasan Illaik, who first reported on the raid, cited anonymous Lebanese military officials as saying the operation was apparently carried out in coordination with the German Navy operating within UNIFIL forces, to prevent the Lebanese Navy from interfering.
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Meanwhile, some Lebanese sources say that the kidnapped man is innocent, and not affiliated with Hezbollah, and that the IDF kidnapped a regular Lebanese citizen. Video also captured the raid:

Israel's military has further said that "The operative has been transferred to Israeli territory and is currently being investigated."

The Associated Press has acknowledged that the occupation of the kidnapped man is murky and uncertain, amid continuing speculation: "Three Lebanese judicial officials told AP the incident occurred at dawn Friday, adding that the captain might have links with Hezbollah." The report added: "The officials said an investigation is looking into the man is linked to Hezbollah or working for an Israeli spy agency and an Israeli force came to rescue him."
 
hawkeyetraveler said:
I’m curious on the damage, but it sure seems like Israel exercised restraint in their response to Iran. Weapons manufacturing sites and SAM sites is a much more light touch than I thought would happen and very reasonable. The way this one was getting played up I thought they might go much bigger including targeting Iranian leadership.

Hopefully Iran realizes they have no chance to win, their leaders realize Israel can reach them anywhere/anytime and they find a way to save face by backing out of further escalation.
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Not sure if its because I was in a Key West bubble parking the married "str8" dudes over the week leading up to Halloween or if it is the actual current situation, but things seemed to have quieted down.
 
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