Just wondering what Troll you used to be before you changed your moniker.
'16-'17 B1G Will be Manageable for Iowa
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Just wondering what Troll you used to be before you changed your moniker.
.....and there are plenty who get sick of your novels and constant bs of how the Hawkeyes can't do anything wrong. Duh? The only moron is u, the one getting all bent out of shape because someone doesn't see things like u do. Grow up Danny.
Now, who was it that used to tell me to take a nap? Oh yeah..........Hi rev!
Oh, and Kurt Warner. Yeah we might have gotten into a tiff over something once sometime back. I really don't remember. But you'll just have to suffer through my "books" and if you enjoy the constant Hawkeye bashing from 333...I can see why we had a collision.
Oh, and Kurt Warner. Yeah we might have gotten into a tiff over something once sometime back. I really don't remember. But you'll just have to suffer through my "books" and if you enjoy the constant Hawkeye bashing from 333...I can see why we had a collision.
There is a grey area you know, just as much as you hate the rosy stance do you really think the rest of enjoy constant negativity? I mean do you really think we all come on here so that we can read your venting and/or bashing student-athletes? Is that what being a fan is, is a fan entitled to bash young men that choose to put in hours upon hours of work on and off the court. Do you think that is fair? I get it, I too can be more on the optimistic side as opposed to be pessimistic....IDK about the rest of you but who would you rather be around if you had to choose? I do appreciate the majority of posters that post information and can handle themselves as adults after wins and losses
I personally enjoy a lot of the input DanL has to offer the board and think his opinions are usually very accurate. Plus, he frequently provides incontrovertible facts to substantiate his claims. And yes, they are often presented in a way that emphasizes the positive aspects of whatever is being discussed/debated, but you know in this day and age of social media and Internet tough guys, all of whom of course have such a high sports acumen, it's refreshing to have a perspective that isn't a mass invitation to piss and moan and have a group therapy session over 20-year olds playing a game.
It's called perspective. And frankly, a lot of the incessant whining and complaining on this board we have to wade through day in and day out is almost always steeped in hyperbole and is seldom reflective of reality.
Holy cow there are people on here WAY smarter than me. Thanks MileHigh and EZ2BJZ. The thing that set me off wasn't reading that Iowa would be "lucky" to win six or seven games in 2016/17. It's that I checked 33's post history and holy cow it's been thumb screws and waterboarding the Hawkeyes in just about every post!
I mean, common, you have nothing but disdain for these guys and why than are you on a Hawkeye Board? People really need to read 33's history and then decide if I have a point or not.
Oh and, 33, regarding your demands to explain why Uthoff plays soft, or doesn't...nobody successfully appeased your keen sense of basketball the first eight, nine, ten or so times you demanded proof Uthoff isn't soft. Look, Jarrod doesn't dance about waiving his hands in the air after a dunk, or trash talk. But he was good for first place All Big Ten and Third Team All American. Even you should be able to understand that some folks with skills at evaluating players saw something in Uthoff.
Or, do you just say, "Ur Mom says Hi", to them as well?
I mean, common, you have nothing but disdain for these guys and why than are you on a Hawkeye Board? People really need to read 33's history and then decide if I have a point or not.
Oh and, 33, regarding your demands to explain why Uthoff plays soft, or doesn't...nobody successfully appeased your keen sense of basketball the first eight, nine, ten or so times you demanded proof Uthoff isn't soft. Look, Jarrod doesn't dance about waiving his hands in the air after a dunk, or trash talk. But he was good for first place All Big Ten and Third Team All American. Even you should be able to understand that some folks with skills at evaluating players saw something in Uthoff.
Or, do you just say, "Ur Mom says Hi", to them as well?
Get lost loser. this program hasn't won less than 8 conference games in half a decade. plenty of talent and experience returning. Jok will be 1st team all conference extending Fran's streak of first teamers all BIG to 4 straight years.
I think the Hawks will need an easier schedule to match the success in the B1G of the last couple of years, but it is really just about impossible to predict how good Iowa will be. If Mary Land loses Stone, Carter, Sulaimon, and Melo, who may come back, they should also be a huge question mark. Unlike this year, Fran has a lot to figure out over the next 6 months.
Thanks ladies and gentlemamen for all your comments. Appreciate each and every one of your opinions. I also can't wait for the ptl when many of u will attempt to convince yourselves (and this board) that due to a kid having a monster rec league game or two, he's the next Larry bird or MJ, and that Iowa is bound for the final 4. LOL.
Yeah.....I fall for this every year. I was truly expecting Fleming to earn a lot of playing time because of the PTL. I swear I'm not going to fall for it this year. I swear.
to me I see a lineup of these that can and will compete this fall the awful * ratings included for some of the players of note.
PG SO 6'6 Williams and his backup 4* by ESPN 6'1 FR Bohanon IA Mr. BB
SG SR 6'6 Jok backups RSSO 6'4 Ellingson/ 4* by ESPN RSFR 6'5 Moss
SF JR 6'8 Uhl backups RSSO 6'6 Baer FR 6'8 Pemsyl
PF FR 6'9 4* #47 overall and # 10 best PF in his class by ESPN Cook backup SO Wagner
C FR 6'10 Kriener backup 6'8 Jone if he is fully healthy and he is a 3 point shooter who can play thev 3-4-5 positions
most fans of other teams get excited about a top 50 recruit and expect their team to win,
not on this board where its they can't or won't be able to contribute as a FR,
the best thing is the FR are now SO with a BT season under their belt and that makes a very big difference, this team as a potential 1sr Team All BT player returning in Jok, Uhl by last year stats will be the leading returning rebounder, 2nd leading scorernand the teams keading 3 point shooter at over 45%.
Williams with his 7'0 wingspan will cause a major disruption to other teams pasing lanes, Cook and Kriener @ 6'9-6'10 240 lbs each provide the bulk down low this team did not have in the 15-16 season.
one last note the other teams except for maybe 2-3 teams lost a lot their top players and will be working in new players as well.
there are more reason to be excited than their are to be nothing but a pessimist.
PG SO 6'6 Williams and his backup 4* by ESPN 6'1 FR Bohanon IA Mr. BB
SG SR 6'6 Jok backups RSSO 6'4 Ellingson/ 4* by ESPN RSFR 6'5 Moss
SF JR 6'8 Uhl backups RSSO 6'6 Baer FR 6'8 Pemsyl
PF FR 6'9 4* #47 overall and # 10 best PF in his class by ESPN Cook backup SO Wagner
C FR 6'10 Kriener backup 6'8 Jone if he is fully healthy and he is a 3 point shooter who can play thev 3-4-5 positions
most fans of other teams get excited about a top 50 recruit and expect their team to win,
not on this board where its they can't or won't be able to contribute as a FR,
the best thing is the FR are now SO with a BT season under their belt and that makes a very big difference, this team as a potential 1sr Team All BT player returning in Jok, Uhl by last year stats will be the leading returning rebounder, 2nd leading scorernand the teams keading 3 point shooter at over 45%.
Williams with his 7'0 wingspan will cause a major disruption to other teams pasing lanes, Cook and Kriener @ 6'9-6'10 240 lbs each provide the bulk down low this team did not have in the 15-16 season.
one last note the other teams except for maybe 2-3 teams lost a lot their top players and will be working in new players as well.
there are more reason to be excited than their are to be nothing but a pessimist.
people were saying the same thing about last years team AS NOBODY saw what Uthoff and Jok would do especially with these as Backup
SO Uhl
RSFR Baer
RSFR Ellingson
RSFR Fleming
FR Wagner
FR Williams
this is why IA had the season they did and the Freshmen was the reason why they ended the season the way they did,
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY saw Baer do what he did,
like John Wooden was quoted as saying {the best thing about FR "is they become SO"} and thatb was when FR were ineligible to play,
that year of playing BT BB was a big help to the FR, Uhl will be a starter getting more minutes as a JR,
Jok went from 7 ppg as a SO to 16.2 ppg as a JR. Uthoff went from 12.4 ppg to 18.9 ppg also Uthoff went from 7.6 ppg as a SO, Uhl avg'd 2.1 ppg as a FR to 6.0 ppg as a SO.
This is how the players progress under Fran, each year as the players get older the better they get,
the question is who will step up from the FR class to be #'s 8-10 and or become starters like White, Basabe, Gesell, Clemmons and Woodbury all did.
I am looking at these as the players to step it up this fall,
SG Jok 18+ ppg backup Ellingson and Moss
SF Uhl 12+ ppg Baer and Pemsyl
PG William 8-9 ppg Bohannon
PF Cook 7-8 ppg Wagner
C Kriener 7-8 ppg Jones
Jones if healthy 7-8 ppg
Baer 7-8 ppg
Wagner 4-5 ppg with rebounding and interior defense
Ellingson in a shooting role in the minutes he gets 4-5 ppg with a 4%+ in 3 point shooting
the RSFR and true FR getting points to be determined by the amount of playing time they get that remain, this team is in a better position than last year as it is more balanced 1-5 wise.
Fran also has more option now than he as ever had as the HC of IA.
Some people think question marks are a bad thing, others believe as I do, that question marks are wonderful opportunities to excel at everything in front of them! I suppose the best is to be like the Zen Master and say we'll see.
I don't know many people that consider Bohannon and Moss as 4 star recruits. ESPN is a terrible recruiting service, they have Kriener as a NR player. I do think Moss is going to be a good one but I'd be surprised if Bohannon ever did much. Undersized combo guard who could struggle getting his shot off. He's certainly not 6'1 and can't use his athleticism to make up for it
Great post. Might I add that college basketball is just about the last sport a person should follow if player turnover is cause for panic.
the thing is we have know Idea of who IA faces when, we do know they switch the Home and Home every year so that eases the unknown, but this year will IA play these in the 1st half of the BT again, MSU, Purdue Twice or will they be played once each in the 9 1st half schedule, and once in the 2nd half,
this year they get MD @ home, where they played them on their home court.
this will determine IA does in the 16-17 season,
this year they get MD @ home, where they played them on their home court.
this will determine IA does in the 16-17 season,
Thanks for your opinion. Still the same as last fall. Noted. A Cyclone fan doesn't think much of Bohannon.
I think Moss will be pretty good, Cook will be a beast. One of the two between Pemsl and Kriener will probably be a solid contributor as a freshman. I'm probably higher on Iowa next year than a lot of Iowa fans on here. Saying Bohannon is a 4 star recruit is just not correct. I think Iowa could be an NCAA team if they were to land a PG before the season starts
Interesting to hear an opinion from a non Hawk fan...
My guess....I don't think Kreiner will be ready. I really like his potential. From the limited amount I have seen of him he has good athletic ability and good skills but will need to get stronger and adjust to the college level of play. My guess is that will take a year or two.
LOL. Suggesting u r "...probably higher on Iowa next year than a lot of fans on here" is like saying "the sun might come up tomorrow". It's one thing being a "fan" of a team. It's another being totally one sided and therefore rip on those who don't share in your constant black and gold optimism.
Bohannon is a PG PERIOD, that is why Fran recruited him as for ESPN rankings their ranking are far more accuate, Burk was rated thev147th best play by Rivals but was a 4* by ESPN, Uthoff was a top 150 3* but was a 4* top 100 by ESP Clemmons was a 2* by ESPN and a 3* by Rivals
as for Kriener when he played last summer in the AAU's he was 6'8 now he is 6'10. White was a unranked 3* by Rivals and a grade 79 3* by ESPN just below a grade 80 4*. also the summer before his SR year White was 6'6 PF, by the time he got to IA he was 6'9,
size of a player and who offers dictates the kids rankings.
to add to this when the McDonalds AA people choose their player they use ESPN. as do most of the news media,. I have seen to many player grow during their SR years and see them never get rerated.
White for example ended up on the Ohio 3rd Team All State and the Ohio vs Kentucky All Star Game MVP even the News paper writers were claiming the voters just went off of who committed to whom for their 1st and 2nd teams,
Bohannon is listed as a PG BY EVERY SITE OUT THERE.
Actually no one was saying that Iowa was an NIT team. Iowa was a tournament team. Most thought they would be in the 8, 9, 10 seed range. They got a 7 seed and at the end of the season ended up pretty much where everyone thought.
Kreiner is not starting and Jones is not a center. You are clueless.
You are clueless. McDonalds All American game doesn't use ESPN to choose their players and the only reason they show the ESPN rankings is because it is on ESPN genius.
Yeah I'm not here to ruffle any feathers, just stating an unbiased (as unbiased as I can be at least) opinion. I really liked Pemsl before he hurt his knee but haven't seen him play since. He might not have great athleticism but he can find multiple ways to score
Jakolby Long is a 4 star recruit on ESPN, top 100 actually, and I don't consider him a 4 star recruit and I don't know many ISU fans that do. ESPN gives out way more 4 stars than Rivals or 247 just so people will reference them on message boards or so they can try to stay relevant. I don't know anyone that follows basketball recruiting and uses ESPN as their go to site, I don't know many that use it at all.
WRONG CBS, Fox and anybody that quotes ranking quote ESPN rankings
they do not use Rivals, Scout or 247 Sports when talking about a players ratings.
wake up skippy from your dream world and join the real world.
I personally think that Iowa will be about where they finished this year, I think they are an NCAA qualifier somewhere in 7-11 seed range. I think they finish somewhere in the 4-7 range in big ten, they could surprise and finish higher or lower. There are many question marks, but I do think the future is very bright and recruiting is on the upswing. I do not think next years team is championship level but another NCAA qualifier and solid team. Certainly in a very good position as to where we were when Fran took over, I do not think we take a step forward this year but I also do not think we take a step back either. We have quietly improved each year and will maintain next year and I think the following year we take another big step forward
This is the post that gives you the WIN. Nicely done, another troll taken out with the trash!
Bohannon isnt a true PG. He is a combo guard which is fine if you have two or three other kids on the court that can also handle the ball as well as shoot. The thing that worries many on here about him is he has shown he struggles to get a shot off at times when guarded by other kids that will be playing some form of college ball. I think he could develope into a Brody Boyd type of player if he can find his shot in college. However he could end up being another combo guard that struggles at shooting. I think many Hawk fans are worried we might see another Gesell Clemmons backcourt developing instead of a Gesell Marble type backcourt. I think Bohannon will be as good as his backcourt teammate will allow him to be. But whho knows, I'm just hoping for Brody Boyd type right now from him.
Jordan Bohannon is one of 26 players listed as a point guard and a four star by ESPN. If you look at the actual ESPN rankings something like about 135 players get that mythical fourth or fifth star. Rivals usually has about 115 players four star or better.
Not sure that is exactly way more.
They don't just pick the top 24 players on ESPN's rankings. They quote ESPN rankings because the game is on ESPN lol
Shows how much I pay attention to ESPN recruiting this year. Last year they had 182 players that were 4* or better which is absurd
think again CBS, Fox, NBC all refer to ESPN when talking about the rankings of players, they never refer to Rivals, Scout or 247 Sports,
as for Kriener he was 6'8 and players never get rerated AFTER their SR years, once they are given a star rating it NEVER GET CHANGED
here is a example of players ranking never changing
White was6'6 before his SR year at the end he was 6'9 and he made the Ohio 3rd team and was the Ohio vs Kentucky All Star game MVP, THE Ohio papers even accused the coaches of showing favoritism to the player that chose more prestiges schools, IA was a bottom ofb the BT School and to a certain extent they still are,
its funny how you and others compliment Fran on his eye for talent when that kid chooses another school, but turn on the kids if they choose IA, so which is it Fran does know a thing about the kids he does sign and yet if the kid goes elsewhere that kid becomes the greatest player that will never play for IA?
TIME TO QUIT STRADDLING THE FENCE. get on one side or the other.
as for Kriener he was 6'8 and players never get rerated AFTER their SR years, once they are given a star rating it NEVER GET CHANGED
here is a example of players ranking never changing
White was6'6 before his SR year at the end he was 6'9 and he made the Ohio 3rd team and was the Ohio vs Kentucky All Star game MVP, THE Ohio papers even accused the coaches of showing favoritism to the player that chose more prestiges schools, IA was a bottom ofb the BT School and to a certain extent they still are,
its funny how you and others compliment Fran on his eye for talent when that kid chooses another school, but turn on the kids if they choose IA, so which is it Fran does know a thing about the kids he does sign and yet if the kid goes elsewhere that kid becomes the greatest player that will never play for IA?
TIME TO QUIT STRADDLING THE FENCE. get on one side or the other.
wrong the BTN crew and other specifically that IA WOULD FINISH {9TH IN THE BT} nobody ever said or wrote about IA as a 8-10 seed.
talk about making things up.
Here is an article CBS Sports discussing recruiting and they cite Rivals' rankings 8 times.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21641769
As usual you have no idea what you are talking about and prove what has been known for a long time....you are waste of oxygen and the sooner you stop using it the better.
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