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I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
 
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tony0051 said:
I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
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tony0051 said:
I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
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Not sure it means anything unless we can get some things figured out on the Offensive side of the ball. Games with 55-200 yards of Total Offense does not bode well. If our Defense has an off game or our running game is slowed, then we have very little chance of winning.
 
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I do like the makeup of what we have returning and the kids coming in ... I believe one of the Iowa coaches (maybe it was Bell) alluded to the 2018 class being very physically mature ... meaning ... kids with great bodies
 
2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009 were better teams. 2002 was the best overall and it's not really close. Other than USC I'm not sure who else in the country could have beaten that team that year.

You could even argue 2010 was a better team that just didn't perform up to expectations because of a tough schedule. I would guess 2019 could be the best team since 2010, though. Next year? Still too young at key positions to know for sure. And I'm not sure Stanley will start over Petras in 2019 unless his field vision improves and he makes decisions more quickly and decisively. He should improve, though. Hopefully. But don't be swayed too much by his stats. He looked like a rookie plenty of times last year. The game needs to slow down for him if he's going to continue to improve. He's a QB right now, but he isn't yet a leader. Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and Beatherd, those QBs were leaders.
 
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Eternal Return said:
2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009 were better teams. 2002 was the best overall and it's not really close. Other than USC I'm not sure who else in the country could have beaten that team that year.

You could even argue 2010 was a better team that just didn't perform up to expectations because of a tough schedule. I would guess 2019 could be the best team since 2010, though. Next year? Still too young at key positions to know for sure. And I'm not sure Stanley will start over Petras in 2019 unless his field vision improves and he makes decisions more quickly and decisively. He should improve, though. Hopefully. But don't be swayed too much by his stats. He looked like a rookie plenty of times last year. The game needs to slow down for him if he's going to continue to improve. He's a QB right now, but he isn't yet a leader. Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and Beatherd, those QBs were leaders.
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2008-2010 Iowa sent the 3rd most players to the nfl of anyone in the coutry behind only Florida and USC.

The Orange bowl was cool but we didn't even get 1 conference title out of it.
 
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RocknRollface said:
My thoughts exactly.

Next years team wont be anywhere near as talented as 2010.

And we managed a classic 7-5.
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That schedule was brutal, though. But, yeah, they didn't perform like they could have. Next year's team has a pretty weak schedule, comparatively. So they could end up with a better record (like 8-4) but not really be considered in the same league as the 2010 team. Too many question marks on next year's team.
 
RocknRollface said:
2008-2010 Iowa sent the 3rd most players to the nfl of anyone in the coutry behind only Florida and USC.

The Orange bowl was cool but we didn't even get 1 conference title out of it.
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Yeah, I'm just talking about pure talent compared to the OP's claim of 2018 being the most talented team in the Ferentz era. I still say the 2002 team was stacked with the most talent overall.
 
tony0051 said:
I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
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Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley - Not a sure pick. Possible but work to do. At least makes a fall camp.
Fant - Yes.
Hockensen - Maybe a late round pick. At least an undrafted pickup.
Wirfs - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Jackson - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Daniels - Yes.
IKM - Too early.

Possible picks
ISM - Not with his hands currently. Has a lot of work to be an undrafted pickup.
Paulsen - Not even an undrafted pickup right now. Maybe in the future if everything clicks.
Young - Too early.
Recinos - Kickers rarely get picked. May get signed to a team though.

Defense sure picks
Nixon - Who knows?
Epenesa - Probably
M. Nelson - Maybe
A. Nelson - Maybe
Jackson (assuming he returns) - Absolutely
Hooker - Maybe. At least an undrafted pickup.

Possibles
Hankins - Too early
Stone - Too early
Lattimore - Too early

This is a far cry from the 2008 team that had the entire starting defense make an NFL fall camp and most of them make an active roster. Plus a ton of the backups also turn into NFL players. Not to mention all of the stars on the offensive side of the ball that year in Greene, Stanzi, DJK, McNutt(barely played), Myers, Reisner, Moeaki, and Bulaga.

The 2002 and 2003 teams were pretty stacked too. As mediocre as our pass defense was in 2002, a lot of the starters and their backups ended up playing several years in the NFL. Babineaux, Cole, Clauss, Roth, Robinson, Greenway, Hodge, Pagel, Sanders, and Considine all played meaningful years in the NFL. Hodges and DJ Johnson also got a little bit of time in the NFL too. The offense also had a ton of talent obviously. Plus a lot of NFL service time from the OL and TE starters/backups. Plus we had Kaeding.

The 2018 team is not likely to equal either of those groups I mentioned without fast forwarding 10 years to really know how good the backups ended up being.
 
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Eternal Return said:
2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009 were better teams. 2002 was the best overall and it's not really close. Other than USC I'm not sure who else in the country could have beaten that team that year.

You could even argue 2010 was a better team that just didn't perform up to expectations because of a tough schedule. I would guess 2019 could be the best team since 2010, though. Next year? Still too young at key positions to know for sure. And I'm not sure Stanley will start over Petras in 2019 unless his field vision improves and he makes decisions more quickly and decisively. He should improve, though. Hopefully. But don't be swayed too much by his stats. He looked like a rookie plenty of times last year. The game needs to slow down for him if he's going to continue to improve. He's a QB right now, but he isn't yet a leader. Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and Beatherd, those QBs were leaders.
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I love the All Americanzi.
 
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Completely overblown hyperbole. Perfect way to start the year on Hawkeyereport.

The draft assumptions outside of Jackson and probably Daniels are highly suspect.

Hawkeye colored glasses are difficult to see through.
 
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Lots of development will need to take place between now and this fall, but I think there are higher ceilings and floors with the guys currently in the building than we’ve had in a while.

On offense there are guys that are just going to succeed. Good consistent offense takes a little while to develop, but we’re going to see some stars here over the next couple years.

Stanley - He’s going to be an NFL QB. He’s working with KOK. He’s going to become more accurate. 3 year starters at P5 programs get drafted. Round 1-2 or 5-6, I don’t know — but he’ll be rostered for at least a year.

IKM - Here’s a kid that just flashes. 3 TD on 20 carries. He’s not as elusive as Wadley, but he’s going to be stronger, and he reads the hole better than anybody else we have. With Toren pounding holes I’d be willing to be IKM benefits over his career. Put me down as one who believes IKM will play on Sundays.

Fant - Best receiving TE in the B1G. He was a mismatch for LBs, and safeties were challenged. If he gets more explosive setting up and executing his cuts he could turn into a Jordan Reed type TE. He’s an NFL player at a position we put in the NFL

Hockenson - He doesn’t have the NFL frame yet — but he has the hands and acceleration. He’s going to continue to improve, and add weight. FR# who earned PT and showed well (except blocking). Put him in the NFL, he’s plenty athletic enough. He’ll be there.

Daniels - Depending on who you read he’s a 1-2 rounder, top 5 center in the draft if he came out this year. I disagree. I don’t see him coming off the board before the 4th based on where centers usually come out.

Wirfs - Passes the eye test. Works his tail off. He just needs to hone in on his technique, while building strength and leverage. Fact is you don’t go thru Iowa Football, start as a freshman, and then not get drafted, especially not at OL.

Jackson - ditto. You can’t teach his reach. At 6’7” 320 all he needs to do it improve leverage and get stronger. He’s an NFLer.

And the defense is scattered with guys who will definitely make it too — Nelson, Epenesa, Jackson, Hooker. And I trust our defensive coaches to turn some rocks into diamonds along the way.

Next two years are going to be a fun ride. Enjoy it!
 
tony0051 said:
I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
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Cue Alan Greenspan - "irrational exuberance" should be the title of this thread.
 
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If you disagree - say so. Who?

Our athletes are always looking to prove doubters wrong.
 
tony0051 said:
I know that is a bold statement but consider the following. These picks are made assuming no injuries or off field issues.

Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley
Fant
Hockensen
Wirfs
Jackson
Daniels
IKM

Possible picks
ISM
Paulsen
Young
Recinos

Defense sure picks
Nixon
Epenesa
M. Nelson
A. Nelson
Jackson (assuming he returns)
Hooker

Possibles
Hankins
Stone
Lattimore

Some of these guys are solely based on potential and limited sample size but I honestly believe there could be up to 20 guys on this roster who could play in the NFL.
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2008 team had about 30 players make NFL rosters for at least 1 full season. That was the first season I checked. I'm sure there are others.
 
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Herky T Hawk said:
Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley - Not a sure pick. Possible but work to do. At least makes a fall camp.
Fant - Yes.
Hockensen - Maybe a late round pick. At least an undrafted pickup.
Wirfs - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Jackson - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Daniels - Yes.
IKM - Too early.

Possible picks
ISM - Not with his hands currently. Has a lot of work to be an undrafted pickup.
Paulsen - Not even an undrafted pickup right now. Maybe in the future if everything clicks.
Young - Too early.
Recinos - Kickers rarely get picked. May get signed to a team though.

Defense sure picks
Nixon - Who knows?
Epenesa - Probably
M. Nelson - Maybe
A. Nelson - Maybe
Jackson (assuming he returns) - Absolutely
Hooker - Maybe. At least an undrafted pickup.

Possibles
Hankins - Too early
Stone - Too early
Lattimore - Too early

This is a far cry from the 2008 team that had the entire starting defense make an NFL fall camp and most of them make an active roster. Plus a ton of the backups also turn into NFL players. Not to mention all of the stars on the offensive side of the ball that year in Greene, Stanzi, DJK, McNutt(barely played), Myers, Reisner, Moeaki, and Bulaga.

The 2002 and 2003 teams were pretty stacked too. As mediocre as our pass defense was in 2002, a lot of the starters and their backups ended up playing several years in the NFL. Babineaux, Cole, Clauss, Roth, Robinson, Greenway, Hodge, Pagel, Sanders, and Considine all played meaningful years in the NFL. Hodges and DJ Johnson also got a little bit of time in the NFL too. The offense also had a ton of talent obviously. Plus a lot of NFL service time from the OL and TE starters/backups. Plus we had Kaeding.

The 2018 team is not likely to equal either of those groups I mentioned without fast forwarding 10 years to really know how good the backups ended up being.
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I agree with most of what you said, TOO EARLY! I think AJackson and wirfs belong in that category though. They are certainly not nfl ready now, but no reason to think they won't be in 3 years.
 
Bottom line Iowa will have some talent but will likely play a bunch of close games and end up with 7 or 8 wins.

If all the breaks fall in place maybe a couple more.
 
Eternal Return said:
2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009 were better teams. 2002 was the best overall and it's not really close. Other than USC I'm not sure who else in the country could have beaten that team that year.

You could even argue 2010 was a better team that just didn't perform up to expectations because of a tough schedule. I would guess 2019 could be the best team since 2010, though. Next year? Still too young at key positions to know for sure. And I'm not sure Stanley will start over Petras in 2019 unless his field vision improves and he makes decisions more quickly and decisively. He should improve, though. Hopefully. But don't be swayed too much by his stats. He looked like a rookie plenty of times last year. The game needs to slow down for him if he's going to continue to improve. He's a QB right now, but he isn't yet a leader. Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and Beatherd, those QBs were leaders.
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I think Iowa State could have
 
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I think Iowa State could have
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lol. Touche. By season's end, though? I don't think anyone was playing better except USC. I think matchups between 2002 Iowa and 2002 Ohio State or 2002 Miami would have been exciting games to watch, pretty closely matched teams, but I think Iowa was just a bit better overall. So many weapons and a ferocious offensive line. Only USC's offense was better than Iowa's that year and they had a great defense, too. That was the first year of USC's five-year run of near-total dominance.
 
funnyfletcher said:
I think 2019 and 2020 teams will be better than 2018.
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I agree. That's when the 2016, 2017, and even 2018 classes will be coming into their own. Plus, I think the 3rd and 4th years of a new offensive staff should have their players primed to more fully understand the system and what's expected. That should allow the playbook and scheming to become more complex with players capable of executing. Not sure if next year will be an improvement overall except in the sense that the schedule seems easier. But losing Wadley, Welsh, Niemann, Jewell, and possibly Jackson and Daniels to the NFL will be tough holes to fill. Linebacker, especially, will be a big question mark. And if Daniels goes pro that means two of Iowa's best OL are lost. And Jackson leaving would make a team strength a bit more of an unknown in terms of overall effectiveness. The DL should be better, the TEs should be even better, and hopefully Stanley improves, but if the OL isn't as good? We'll see.
 
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We are moving toward consistently more talented rosters now. 02 and circa 09 rosters were much more talented. I have to agree about 2019-20 and hopefully beyond. Need to build longterm talent to avoid sin wave type oscillation in our programs success.
 
A lot of players from the 16 and 17 recruiting classes have already made the 2 deep. This should lead to having less defections and certainly less key defections. Less attrition should yield better depth.

This, Stanley improving and finding a couple of productive WRs is what should elevate the Iowa program to great success. Young and IKM are gonna be a great RB duo, the DLine looks fierce and Iowa has proven to re-load at DB. I have faith that the coaches will fill holes at LB and interior OLine.

Shoot for BIG and National Championship but fight for the best spot we can get.

GO HAWKS!
 
Of course, Fran McCaffrey has the most talented team he’s ever had THIS year, and they suck, so there’s that.
 
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Herky T Hawk said:
Sure NFL draft picks

Stanley - Not a sure pick. Possible but work to do. At least makes a fall camp.
Fant - Yes.
Hockensen - Maybe a late round pick. At least an undrafted pickup.
Wirfs - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Jackson - A lot of work to do to be a pick. Barring injury should at least be an undrafted pickup.
Daniels - Yes.
IKM - Too early.

Possible picks
ISM - Not with his hands currently. Has a lot of work to be an undrafted pickup.
Paulsen - Not even an undrafted pickup right now. Maybe in the future if everything clicks.
Young - Too early.
Recinos - Kickers rarely get picked. May get signed to a team though.

Defense sure picks
Nixon - Who knows?
Epenesa - Probably
M. Nelson - Maybe
A. Nelson - Maybe
Jackson (assuming he returns) - Absolutely
Hooker - Maybe. At least an undrafted pickup.

Possibles
Hankins - Too early
Stone - Too early
Lattimore - Too early

This is a far cry from the 2008 team that had the entire starting defense make an NFL fall camp and most of them make an active roster. Plus a ton of the backups also turn into NFL players. Not to mention all of the stars on the offensive side of the ball that year in Greene, Stanzi, DJK, McNutt(barely played), Myers, Reisner, Moeaki, and Bulaga.

The 2002 and 2003 teams were pretty stacked too. As mediocre as our pass defense was in 2002, a lot of the starters and their backups ended up playing several years in the NFL. Babineaux, Cole, Clauss, Roth, Robinson, Greenway, Hodge, Pagel, Sanders, and Considine all played meaningful years in the NFL. Hodges and DJ Johnson also got a little bit of time in the NFL too. The offense also had a ton of talent obviously. Plus a lot of NFL service time from the OL and TE starters/backups. Plus we had Kaeding.

The 2018 team is not likely to equal either of those groups I mentioned without fast forwarding 10 years to really know how good the backups ended up being.
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