3-Second Lane violation?

[hawk_it]

Need an explanation of the 3-second call. I know it is 3 seconds in the lane on the offensive end.

1 Is it one foot, both feet?
2 Does it make a difference whether you have the ball or not?
3 If you are offensive rebounding and jumping up and down in the lane, not touching the ball?
4 If you are offensive rebounding and you touch the ball.

Sometimes it seems like teams will be in the forever in the lane trying for offensive rebounds.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[revkev73]

Good questions...however the violation is largely ignored by officials, currently.

I think it is one foot

No, doesn't matter if you have the ball or not as long as you are on the offensive end

I think if the ball is free...on a shot or on a rebound it doesn't count for 3

Not sure about the last question...that is, what you are asking.

And, if you are on the defensive end...the three second clock doesn't apply.

 

[StormHawk42]

Once the shot goes up, lane restrictions are removed until possession is re established.

One foot in the lane is all you need. College officials are not very good with enforcing it.

 

[Ronman]

You need to totally vacate the lane, both feet. This violation is virtually ignored by most officials and you rarely see it called although it occurs frequently.

 

[Steve Waite]

You need to totally vacate the lane, both feet. This violation is virtually ignored by most officials and you rarely see it called although it occurs frequently.

This is the correct answer. It seems this year has been the worse. The Purdue Big Men were camping in the lane and where never called once.

 

[revkev73]

If a game is a bit boring...it is amazing to focus on how many players actually stay in there for a long, long time...with nothing called. I suppose there is lots to watch for officiating. And, it seems they only call it when it appears someone is getting an advantage by staying in there too long, which makes sense I suppose.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Mind you the 3 second call has gone by the wayside. The officials have a lot more to worry about this year with the "new emphasis" on defense to worry about a guy parking it in the lane. I think if a guy is there 3-4 seconds, okay not a big deal just remind them not to do it. IF they are setting up camp and not moving and you get to a 5 count, okay call it.

I mean that is kind of nit picking, but i remember earlier in the year Iowa was bringing the ball down the court and didn't even get past half court and an official called 3 seconds on Woody?? I couldn't believe it.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Pretty sure you have 3 second in the lane to establish position. If you receive the ball in those three seconds you get three more to make a post move. Potentially three seconds more to pass out of the lane if you don't shoot.
Those are the high school rules as told to me by a state championship game ref. I believe college is the same. You just never see a play take that long and generally crowds go nuts not knowing the rules.

 

[Ronman]

Pretty sure you have 3 second in the lane to establish position. If you receive the ball in those three seconds you get three more to make a post move. Potentially three seconds more to pass out of the lane if you don't shoot.
Those are the high school rules as told to me by a state championship game ref. I believe college is the same. You just never see a play take that long and generally crowds go nuts not knowing the rules.

You were told wrong. If you are in the act of shooting at the three count, it is not a violation. Other than that, you cannot camp in the lane, with or without the ball, for more than three seconds without leaving the lane totally.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

How would you possibly take a dribble or catch the ball then pass?

 

[hawk-i bob]

You were told wrong. If you are in the act of shooting at the three count, it is not a violation. Other than that, you cannot camp in the lane, with or without the ball, for more than three seconds without leaving the lane totally.

this ... and the act of shooting is defined as receiving the ball and immediately moving to the basket which can include a dribble to pivot to attempt a shot....therefore more than 3 secs.. the count is suspended to allow for the shot attempt.

 

[Chewback]

Mind you the 3 second call has gone by the wayside. The officials have a lot more to worry about this year with the "new emphasis" on defense to worry about a guy parking it in the lane. I think if a guy is there 3-4 seconds, okay not a big deal just remind them not to do it. IF they are setting up camp and not moving and you get to a 5 count, okay call it.

I mean that is kind of nit picking, but i remember earlier in the year Iowa was bringing the ball down the court and didn't even get past half court and an official called 3 seconds on Woody?? I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, basically the 3 second call is WAY down the list of stuff officials are looking for these days because with "new or special emphasis" they simply don't have time to look for it. Most of the time, a guy is going to have to camp in the lane for a really long time to be noticed. I don't blame officials for not calling it because they simply don't have time to look for it. It's just not on their list of important stuff.

 

[hawk-i bob]

You need to totally vacate the lane, both feet. This violation is virtually ignored by most officials and you rarely see it called although it occurs frequently.

yep .. most officials will not call 3 secs..even if the player does not have both feet out..if they feel the player's intention is to move out or if a player has a toe in the lane and are away from the play...officials will not call it.

In watching the Purdue replay (like 10 times...I love watching wins)..Purdue's bigs were very close to 3 secs but based on the rule of shooting inside & the toe in the lane...I didn't see the 3 secs as being a big deal.

 

[DanL53]

I've always kind of seen this as a coaches call. In other words if someone is repeatedly camping out in the lane simply get the refs attention and convince them to look for it. And more often than not a ref will look for it if a coach is complaining.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I've always kind of seen this as a coaches call. In other words if someone is repeatedly camping out in the lane simply get the refs attention and convince them to look for it. And more often than not a ref will look for it if a coach is complaining.

this is true..even fans yelling 4 it sometimes will at least get them looking for it more..

 

[PhantomFlyer]

this is true..even fans yelling 4 it sometimes will at least get them looking for it more..

Do you have any evidence to support this or is this just the "if you argue balls and strikes with the home plate ump, you won't get the next call" theory?

 

[Lone Clone]

Need an explanation of the 3-second call. I know it is 3 seconds in the lane on the offensive end.

1 Is it one foot, both feet?
2 Does it make a difference whether you have the ball or not?
3 If you are offensive rebounding and jumping up and down in the lane, not touching the ball?
4 If you are offensive rebounding and you touch the ball.

Sometimes it seems like teams will be in the forever in the lane trying for offensive rebounds.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

It doesn't really matter. The three-second violation is only called when the officials know they missed a call on the other end and want to even things out.

 

[revkev73]

Three seconds in the lane calls are most often like offensive holding in FB...coaches don't complain all that much about it...knowing it can be called all the time anyhow. They do complain if it is called in an unbalanced way. OK...give us one or a two a game...we are doing it.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Do you have any evidence to support this or is this just the "if you argue balls and strikes with the home plate ump, you won't get the next call" theory?

sitting in Carver (as in other venues) ya the home crowd can influence some officials...its called home court advantage..ever heard of that?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

this ... and the act of shooting is defined as receiving the ball and immediately moving to the basket which can include a dribble to pivot to attempt a shot....therefore more than 3 secs.. the count is suspended to allow for the shot attempt.

I guess I believed the official because I'm not sure i've ever seen a post player get called for 3 seconds when the receive the pass in the lane make a move and throw back out.

 

[DenverTurtle]

I guess I believed the official because I'm not sure i've ever seen a post player get called for 3 seconds when the receive the pass in the lane make a move and throw back out.

That's the opposite of what I've seen. It seems in my experiences that if a player is in the lane for over 3 seconds but is making a move and shoots the ball they almost never call it. When that player is dribbling, making a move and in the lane over 3 seconds but then passes it seems that they call it almost every time. At least in college ball.

 

[Ronman]

I probably watch as much college basketball as anyone and I can remember the 3-second call being made maybe three times all year. It's almost as rare as "palming" which could be called literally every possession.

 

[hawk-i bob]

That's the opposite of what I've seen. It seems in my experiences that if a player is in the lane for over 3 seconds but is making a move and shoots the ball they almost never call it. When that player is dribbling, making a move and in the lane over 3 seconds but then passes it seems that they call it almost every time. At least in college ball.

you are correct Denver...it really comes down to intent..it really does. when a player gets the ball in the lane (prior to 3 secs)..by rule the count is suspended if the intent of the player is to shoot the ball & he does just that.

..if the player doesn't shoot it and passes it..the count doesn't start over.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I probably watch as much college basketball as anyone and I can remember the 3-second call being made maybe three times all year. It's almost as rare as "palming" which could be called literally every possession.

agree..

.. the rule as written isn't enforced to the letter by officials...if they feel the player's intent is to get out of the lane before 3 secs...they will not call it if he still has one leg in....however if he catches it inside ,,,makes a pivot move & ends up passing it out..a good official will call 3 secs.

..I don't think we have seen players camping out in the lane as much as before..could be players are quicker to start the exit process..I also think there is less traffic inside with the stretch 4 position & wider lane...there really is no excuse for an inside player not to be headed out..unless he is nose dosing.

 

[McK_Hawk]

Still trying to figure out how Woodbury got called for 3 seconds last year when the ball hadn't even crossed mid-court yet. Only time I have seen it called in college the past 2 years. You do see it called a little bit in the pros.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Technically, when his team is in possession of the ball, a player cannot be in the lane under his team's basket for more than 3 consecutive seconds. I don't think the rule has explicit written exceptions.

Obviously, that is not how the game is called. Generally, if a player keeps moving and doesn't camp in one place, officials do not call it, especially if the player comes close to leaving the lane. The rule seems to get less clearly enforced when a player gets the ball in the lane and seems to be making an effort to shoot or take the ball toward the basket. Then, 3 sec is almost never called on the player with the ball. If that player doesn't shoot after being in the lane with the ball for 3 sec or more, he or a teammate anticipating a shot and positioning himself for a possible offensive rebound, have a better chance of being called for 3 sec. Even then, it doesn't happen that often.

 

[revkev73]

The 3 point shot has changed the game...focus now isn't on pounding it down low for shots...spread it out...pass...people running about much more through the lane, rather than camping in it.

This is more fun to watch, IMHO...

 

[hawk-i bob]

Technically, when his team is in possession of the ball, a player cannot be in the lane under his team's basket for more than 3 consecutive seconds. I don't think the rule has explicit written exceptions.

Obviously, that is not how the game is called. Generally, if a player keeps moving and doesn't camp in one place, officials do not call it, especially if the player comes close to leaving the lane. The rule seems to get less clearly enforced when a player gets the ball in the lane and seems to be making an effort to shoot or take the ball toward the basket. Then, 3 sec is almost never called on the player with the ball. If that player doesn't shoot after being in the lane with the ball for 3 sec or more, he or a teammate anticipating a shot and positioning himself for a possible offensive rebound, have a better chance of being called for 3 sec. Even then, it doesn't happen that often.

...if a player in the paint receives the ball prior to the 3 sec count (lets say 2.5)..the count is suspended if that player immediately makes a move (which can include a dribble to pivot) to attempt a shot...even if it takes another second or 2...it is not a 3 sec violation..

...however the count does not start over if the player decides not to shoot the ball...lets say pass it to another player...in this situation 2.5 secs in the paint upon receiving the ball...another second or 2 without a shot attempt...that's a 3 sec violation.

 

[revkev73]

I appreciate the ellipsis Bob...