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Effort

"For the norm to be everyone giving maximum effort at all times, it has to be a product of coaching. Practices have to be challenging in a way that lifts the team and its individuals to a to a standard level of effort that they didn't know they had. Players have to be pushed and held accountable."

Are you talking about Division 1 level basketball players or 7th graders? The latter, I'll give you. The former, BS. I don't give a crap if they don't know how to block out, fight through a screen, close out on shooter, double team, switch, or whatever (none of which is true because at some point since they picked up a basketball at age 5 they've been introduced to these concepts). And while effort can be encouraged or the lack thereof by a player can be pointed out, a player, at this level, should be ready to give maximum effort on both ends of the court for every game. They don't get a pass because their coaches can't coach. That's an excuse-ridden, loser mentality. "Well, we would have worked harder, but we weren't told to do so." Uh . . . No.

And it has nothing to do with whether they're getting paid or not. They are subject to the same criticism whether they get paid or not. I'm the one paying to watch them play or taking time out of my evening to watch them play. You want me to watch, then I expect my favorite team to give top effort every game. That's the deal. That's an expectation I have as a fan, completely independent of them getting paid. And when it appears to me they're not doing so, then I'm going to criticize their effort. Joe DiMaggio said it best when asked why he plays so hard, “Because there’s always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time. I owe him my best.” Coaches, coach like that. Players, play like that. Very simple.
I agree, max effort should be a given.

But it is clearly something that can be developed to higher and more consistent levels through coaching. Again, why have so many programs adopted an all defense/all the time culture?

What makes certain guys better defensive coaches than their peers?

What makes certain teams play harder than their opponents every year?

What makes certain guys better offensive coaches than their peers?

Why don't players just play perfect on offense on their own on most teams? Because it hasn't been coached into them
 
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What constructive purpose do positive conversations serve?
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Still no answer to a clearly stated question
 
I agree, max effort should be a given. Agreed.

But it is clearly something that can be developed to higher and more consistent levels through coaching. Again, why have so many programs adopted an all defense/all the time culture? Because they've been successful doing so. And I don't even disagree that a coach can call upon a player to do better, and bench a player if it's not being done, but that does not immune a player from criticism for not giving the effort that led to him being benched. Which I read to be your point - don't blame the players if they're not giving effort, blame the coaches. That I disagree with.

What makes certain guys better defensive coaches than their peers? Because they have seen results from it, and believe in it.

What makes certain teams play harder than their opponents every year? Because those teams attract like-minded players and/or those are the types of players that are recruited to be there, and if you aren't made up to do so, you won't fit in. It's not a part time job.

What makes certain guys better offensive coaches than their peers? Because they have seen results from it, and believe in it. Same as above.

Why don't players just play perfect on offense on their own on most teams? Because it hasn't been coached into them Because on offense you must know what play is being called and be in the right place to run an offense. It's proactive. Defense is reactive. Yes, coaching is involved, but it's more want to than offense. You don't get on the BTN highlight show because of your strong close outs on a three point shooter, but it must be done.
See above.
 
See above.
Players aren't immune. But when discussing something that hasn't been part of a program's identity for 15 years, it would seem that identity is the first thing that should be questioned.

There is an answer to the concerns that should be obvious enough for the players to not have come into question.

You think Iowa has recruited 15 years worth of players that don't give max effort, aren't mentally tough, don't play with physicality? You don't think a Calvin Sampson practice is more difficult than a Fran practice? That's just wrong. Part of emphasizing and building a defense is it makes tougher players. Fran actually coaches his players to let layups go, rather than fouling in certain spots. You think Sampson would ever do that? It's a culture that produces tough players
 
Players aren't immune. But when discussing something that hasn't been part of a program's identity for 15 years, it would seem that identity is the first thing that should be questioned.

There is an answer to the concerns that should be obvious enough for the players to not have come into question.

You think Iowa has recruited 15 years worth of players that don't give max effort, aren't mentally tough, don't play with physicality? You don't think a Calvin Sampson practice is more difficult than a Fran practice? That's just wrong. Part of emphasizing and building a defense is it makes tougher players. Fran actually coaches his players to let layups go, rather than fouling in certain spots. You think Sampson would ever do that? It's a culture that produces tough players
Didn't say that.

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Don't know, haven't been to either one. How are is a Sampson practice more difficult than a Fran practice?
 
Man, you guys can be dense.

What constructive purpose does the negative conversation serve?

If you can't come up with one, then maybe expressing your opinions on here isn't as important as you make it out to be.

Maybe it isn't the right thing to do at all. Because I can tell you the destructive potentialities of the negativity
It’s called pointing out reality. Do you think when people get work evals it’s all positive here is what you are great at? No you point out what is wrong too and areas to improve. You think Luka Garza become an nba player by just listening to everything he was great at? No after being npoy he and his dad worked and got evaluations on everything he needed to improve on like improving foot speed, outside shooting to make the league.

So when people point out on a message board Iowa’s rebounding and effort is bad (+300 nationally) it’s a simple fact and stating if that improves, team improves. Also there are years in Fran era like 17-18’ when Iowa was #2 in big 10 in rebounding margin. So does Fran or players get credit for that year? Or for coaching Garza and aaron white #2 & 4 rebounders in team history?
 
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It’s called pointing out reality. Do you think when people get work evals it’s all positive here is what you are great at? No you point out what is wrong too and areas to improve. You think Luka Garza become an nba player by just listening to everything he was great at? No after being npoy he and his dad worked and got evaluations on everything he needed to improve on like improving foot speed, outside shooting to make the league.

So when people point out on a message board Iowa’s rebounding and effort is bad (+300 nationally) it’s a simple fact and stating if that improves, team improves. Also there are years in Fran era like 17-18’ when Iowa was #2 in big 10 in rebounding margin. So does Fran or players get credit for that year? Or for coaching Garza and aaron white #2 & 4 rebounders in team history?
Who does pointing out your version of reality serve?
 
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