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5 reasons for optimism looking ahead to 2018

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https://athlonsports.com/college-football/5-reasons-optimism-about-iowa-hawkeyes-2018

I have bigger question marks about points 1 and 3 than the folks at Athlon, but I dont know if the O-line and receivers will be as big an issue as some are worried about. All in all definitely some reasons to expect good things. Best duo of tight ends in the country and a deep DL with the addition of potential game wrecker Daviyon Nixon will the driving force of success in 2018! :cool:
 
I think the argument can be made that Stanley will be the premier QB in the big ten west. I think it is close between Sindelar, Stanley and maybe Hornibrook. He also may have the greatest overall potential. It will be interesting to see how his overall command of the game improves. Once it slows down for him and he gets to flash his arm, watch out.
 
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A fun read, but you have to wonder about the beyond-the-surface knowledge of a guy who goes six deep in the defensive line without mentioning Parker Hesse. Undersized, okay. But that man has a nose for the runner and the ball, and is an inexorable grinder - a virtual highlight machine. Big heart.
 
Have to wonder when this was ‘actually’written given that he doesn’t mention Daniels at C as a big loss to the draft. Also, the comment that Stanley won the QB position last spring was a little unknowledgeable.

Losing Wadley is a huge playmaking loss at RB that won’t be replaced. But if the bigger back Young can fight for 3 yards on those plays Wadley got stopped at scrimmage due to his size, he’ll give Stanley what he needs.

Given what returns there, do think that if Nixon can earn a regular rotation spot at DT, this DL could be scary good. Which it may need to be, given the losses at LB.

If Iowa can take advantage of the favorable schedule, the noteriety gained by tOSU game and draft surprises could help us at bowl selection time.
 
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Land of 10 has article about Hawks recruiting/opening up St Louis:

Link: https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-football-recruiting-st-louis-pipeline-targets-dallas-craddiethhttps://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-football-recruiting-st-louis-pipeline-targets-dallas-craddieth

Iowa Hawkeyes - Land of 10
It would be huge for the Hawkeyes to get a player or two each year from this growing recruiting hotbed.
They accomplished that mission in the 2018 class.

Iowa is on the verge of opening a recruiting pipeline in a key Midwestern city
IOWA CITY, Iowa — LeVar Woods’ phone rang at about 10:30 p.m. on Dec. 19, the night before early signing period began. Dallas Craddieth’s number popped up
LANDOF10.COM
 
Land of 10 has article about Hawks recruiting/opening up St Louis:

Link: https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-football-recruiting-st-louis-pipeline-targets-dallas-craddiethhttps://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-football-recruiting-st-louis-pipeline-targets-dallas-craddieth

Iowa Hawkeyes - Land of 10
It would be huge for the Hawkeyes to get a player or two each year from this growing recruiting hotbed.
They accomplished that mission in the 2018 class.

Iowa is on the verge of opening a recruiting pipeline in a key Midwestern city
IOWA CITY, Iowa — LeVar Woods’ phone rang at about 10:30 p.m. on Dec. 19, the night before early signing period began. Dallas Craddieth’s number popped up
LANDOF10.COM

Read that earlier, really good article. I think St. Louis and Indianapolis are going to be very good to us over the next few years.
 
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"When all else goes wrong, Iowa will still be able to pound the ball behind what should once again be one of the better offensive lines in the Big Ten. That alone will always be enough to keep the Hawkeyes in most games and win more than they lose."

Why is this assumed?
 
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Iowa produces a lot of NFL linemen, and Kirk is known as an OL guru, so everyone always assumes Iowa has a good line. I would say the long term average of Iowa's O-line is slightly above average. The NFL guys are frequently balanced by a young no-name who is not quite developed.

Even though we lose Wadley, I like the IKM/Young combo. IKM could provide some of the explosiveness we lose in Wadley.

Agree about Hesse being ignored. He comes up with a way to make big plays, and the rushing defense is so much better when he is in.
 
Agree about Hesse being ignored. He comes up with a way to make big plays, and the rushing defense is so much better when he is in.

A huge slight against Hesse. Hope he read the article and it motivates him even more. The dude has made a lot of plays for the Hawks.
 
It will be the same crappy expensive food served up by Aramark in Kinnick in 2018. So there is that.
 
the more the subject of the Dline comes up, the more I like where things are headed. I think Nixon is one of those under the radar finds that will turn out very well. Hesse is truly the unsung hero on the DL. very consistent and more athletic than people think.

I remain very optimistic about Stanley becoming a top qb in the B1G. He can develop and be great. I think a new star or stars will emerge at LB. there are alot of guys im anxious to see play next year.

Obviously the article is not heavily researched. Probably meant as a sort of cursory overview. as for the OL, if we can get marginal improvement in Guard play with a Center that can hold his own in his 1st year starting, the running game will be fine. Young and IKM are a great combo waiting to be unleashed.
 
Was just thinking about IOWA's Offensive Linemen in the NFL.

LT Riley Reiff -vikes
LG Brandon Scherff All Pro
C - J Daniels, J Ferentz
RG - Marshall Yanda, Cole Croston
RT - Bulaga, Andrew Donnal

OK who did I forget ? Pretty dang impressive
 
Was just thinking about IOWA's Offensive Linemen in the NFL.

LT Riley Reiff -vikes
LG Brandon Scherff All Pro
C - J Daniels, J Ferentz
RG - Marshall Yanda, Cole Croston
RT - Bulaga, Andrew Donnal

OK who did I forget ? Pretty dang impressive

C - Blythe
 
Too bad those O- Linemen can't suit up in 2018.
5 reasons for optimism looking ahead to 2018.
 
Marshall Yanda, 2x first team all pro, 3x second team all pro.

I hope he fully recovers and retains his all pro form next year.
 
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"When all else goes wrong, Iowa will still be able to pound the ball behind what should once again be one of the better offensive lines in the Big Ten. That alone will always be enough to keep the Hawkeyes in most games and win more than they lose."

Why is this assumed?
I think that it is very fair to be skeptical of such a comment ... however, such a statement could be posited based on past precedent.

Of course, one of my own statements predicting what would happen in '17 included presumptions that the Iowa running game would be solid. Of course, as we all well know ... our running game was actually surprisingly underwhelming in '17. Why?
  • We would have predicted that the OL play should be solid because we were returning 3 SR starters on the OL (going into '17) and a pretty elite JR starter at C.
  • We returned an excellent starting RB in Wadley and we had a talented graduate transfer bolstering our depth in Butler.
  • Lastly, Brian was the run-game coordinator through the prior 3 seasons, and our running game seemed really solid before.
So, what happened? Why did our running game seem to capsize, figuratively speaking?
  • 2 of the SR starters at OT were lost to the season due to injury. For part of the season, Welsh was playing "out of position" at RT due to personnel juggling on the OL. Lastly, Daniels was dinged through much of the season. On top of all the aforementioned issues ... the new starters at OT were both freshmen. There necessarily HAD to be some growing pains.
  • Butler was lost for a hunk of the season due to injury and opposing Ds set their sites on slowing Wadley. Opposing Ds often found success slowing Wadley because the Hawks were still starting a first year starter at QB ... so while the passing game was surprisingly competent through much of the season ... that's not to say that it was a perfect complement to our running game.
  • Brian may have been our run-game coordinator before ... but he also was trying to implement a new offensive system. Thus, there was bound to be some transition in terms of execution AND in terms of how the run-game and pass-game concepts complemented each other.
Given the above considerations, I personally believe that the downturn in our running game in '17 is understandable (and predictable given the conditions). Thus, do the aforementioned conditions set a new paradigm for the running game ... or was the downturn a transient?

While injuries are "normal" ... I believe that it is fair to assert that the rash of injuries on the OL was relatively anomalous. Thus, supposing that the '18 OL can remain relatively healthier (more towards the "norm") ... I would anticipate that Iowa's OL play should/could see an improvement.

Given the injury to Butler and our offensive reliance on Wadley ... it some respects it DID make our O a little more predictable. Given that we have 2 "new" RBs who have flashed solid ability ... AND given that the 2 top RBs appear to have contrasting skill sets (Toren is a bull-dozer, Ivory is a nimble slasher) ... Iowa's running game could potentially demonstrate more diversity ... consequently making it somewhat more difficult to defend. As another poster indicated ... the fact that both Toren and Ivory are bigger and stronger than Akrum suggests that we could end up seeing somewhat better first-down production from our running game ... thereby helping to keep the O more "on schedule."

It also stands to reason that the offensive staff has had more time to "come together" as a group and be more on the "same page." This helps both in terms of game-planning and in terms of how they teach the offensive concepts to the players. Furthermore, since the new O has already been delivered to the team ... the players can focus more on refining their craft rather than learning new schemes. This latter point itself suggests that we should be able to expect greater consistency from our O.

Lastly, I expect that any growth that we see on the team as it relates to the passing game should now translate better in terms of helping out the run-game. Consequently, our running game might simply benefit from the fact that opposing Ds will have to scheme things differently to counter our passing game.
 
If there’s one thing I won’t question about ferentz it is the o-line. For most of his tenure it has been well above average and regularly puts guys in the nfl every year. Rare is the season after his first couple that Iowa has been dominated in the trenches game in and game out.
 
I think that it is very fair to be skeptical of such a comment ... however, such a statement could be posited based on past precedent.

Of course, one of my own statements predicting what would happen in '17 included presumptions that the Iowa running game would be solid. Of course, as we all well know ... our running game was actually surprisingly underwhelming in '17. Why?
  • We would have predicted that the OL play should be solid because we were returning 3 SR starters on the OL (going into '17) and a pretty elite JR starter at C.
  • We returned an excellent starting RB in Wadley and we had a talented graduate transfer bolstering our depth in Butler.
  • Lastly, Brian was the run-game coordinator through the prior 3 seasons, and our running game seemed really solid before.
So, what happened? Why did our running game seem to capsize, figuratively speaking?
  • 2 of the SR starters at OT were lost to the season due to injury. For part of the season, Welsh was playing "out of position" at RT due to personnel juggling on the OL. Lastly, Daniels was dinged through much of the season. On top of all the aforementioned issues ... the new starters at OT were both freshmen. There necessarily HAD to be some growing pains.
  • Butler was lost for a hunk of the season due to injury and opposing Ds set their sites on slowing Wadley. Opposing Ds often found success slowing Wadley because the Hawks were still starting a first year starter at QB ... so while the passing game was surprisingly competent through much of the season ... that's not to say that it was a perfect complement to our running game.
  • Brian may have been our run-game coordinator before ... but he also was trying to implement a new offensive system. Thus, there was bound to be some transition in terms of execution AND in terms of how the run-game and pass-game concepts complemented each other.
Given the above considerations, I personally believe that the downturn in our running game in '17 is understandable (and predictable given the conditions). Thus, do the aforementioned conditions set a new paradigm for the running game ... or was the downturn a transient?

While injuries are "normal" ... I believe that it is fair to assert that the rash of injuries on the OL was relatively anomalous. Thus, supposing that the '18 OL can remain relatively healthier (more towards the "norm") ... I would anticipate that Iowa's OL play should/could see an improvement.

Given the injury to Butler and our offensive reliance on Wadley ... it some respects it DID make our O a little more predictable. Given that we have 2 "new" RBs who have flashed solid ability ... AND given that the 2 top RBs appear to have contrasting skill sets (Toren is a bull-dozer, Ivory is a nimble slasher) ... Iowa's running game could potentially demonstrate more diversity ... consequently making it somewhat more difficult to defend. As another poster indicated ... the fact that both Toren and Ivory are bigger and stronger than Akrum suggests that we could end up seeing somewhat better first-down production from our running game ... thereby helping to keep the O more "on schedule."

It also stands to reason that the offensive staff has had more time to "come together" as a group and be more on the "same page." This helps both in terms of game-planning and in terms of how they teach the offensive concepts to the players. Furthermore, since the new O has already been delivered to the team ... the players can focus more on refining their craft rather than learning new schemes. This latter point itself suggests that we should be able to expect greater consistency from our O.

Lastly, I expect that any growth that we see on the team as it relates to the passing game should now translate better in terms of helping out the run-game. Consequently, our running game might simply benefit from the fact that opposing Ds will have to scheme things differently to counter our passing game.

Well. I'm not going to disagree with any of that, because you obviously worked hard on it, and you even used a few colorful words (posited
I think that it is very fair to be skeptical of such a comment ... however, such a statement could be posited based on past precedent.

Of course, one of my own statements predicting what would happen in '17 included presumptions that the Iowa running game would be solid. Of course, as we all well know ... our running game was actually surprisingly underwhelming in '17. Why?
  • We would have predicted that the OL play should be solid because we were returning 3 SR starters on the OL (going into '17) and a pretty elite JR starter at C.
  • We returned an excellent starting RB in Wadley and we had a talented graduate transfer bolstering our depth in Butler.
  • Lastly, Brian was the run-game coordinator through the prior 3 seasons, and our running game seemed really solid before.
So, what happened? Why did our running game seem to capsize, figuratively speaking?
  • 2 of the SR starters at OT were lost to the season due to injury. For part of the season, Welsh was playing "out of position" at RT due to personnel juggling on the OL. Lastly, Daniels was dinged through much of the season. On top of all the aforementioned issues ... the new starters at OT were both freshmen. There necessarily HAD to be some growing pains.
  • Butler was lost for a hunk of the season due to injury and opposing Ds set their sites on slowing Wadley. Opposing Ds often found success slowing Wadley because the Hawks were still starting a first year starter at QB ... so while the passing game was surprisingly competent through much of the season ... that's not to say that it was a perfect complement to our running game.
  • Brian may have been our run-game coordinator before ... but he also was trying to implement a new offensive system. Thus, there was bound to be some transition in terms of execution AND in terms of how the run-game and pass-game concepts complemented each other.
Given the above considerations, I personally believe that the downturn in our running game in '17 is understandable (and predictable given the conditions). Thus, do the aforementioned conditions set a new paradigm for the running game ... or was the downturn a transient?

While injuries are "normal" ... I believe that it is fair to assert that the rash of injuries on the OL was relatively anomalous. Thus, supposing that the '18 OL can remain relatively healthier (more towards the "norm") ... I would anticipate that Iowa's OL play should/could see an improvement.

Given the injury to Butler and our offensive reliance on Wadley ... it some respects it DID make our O a little more predictable. Given that we have 2 "new" RBs who have flashed solid ability ... AND given that the 2 top RBs appear to have contrasting skill sets (Toren is a bull-dozer, Ivory is a nimble slasher) ... Iowa's running game could potentially demonstrate more diversity ... consequently making it somewhat more difficult to defend. As another poster indicated ... the fact that both Toren and Ivory are bigger and stronger than Akrum suggests that we could end up seeing somewhat better first-down production from our running game ... thereby helping to keep the O more "on schedule."

It also stands to reason that the offensive staff has had more time to "come together" as a group and be more on the "same page." This helps both in terms of game-planning and in terms of how they teach the offensive concepts to the players. Furthermore, since the new O has already been delivered to the team ... the players can focus more on refining their craft rather than learning new schemes. This latter point itself suggests that we should be able to expect greater consistency from our O.

Lastly, I expect that any growth that we see on the team as it relates to the passing game should now translate better in terms of helping out the run-game. Consequently, our running game might simply benefit from the fact that opposing Ds will have to scheme things differently to counter our passing game.


Well. I'm not going to disagree with any of that, because you obviously worked hard on it, and you even used a few colorful words (posited? anomalous? - who talks like that? ;)).

Of course, I agree that an optimist would think our running game will be better. I agree that is should be better, but I find it hard to use as baseline assumption.
 
My five reasons:
Our D is huge.......The OL and DL are stacked.......Stanley can throw the ball......our RBs can run.......Our WRs can catch...
 
I like the fact Young is going to get more work in 2018. I have high hopes for the Young/IKM combo and thought in their limited use, they both looked like they are going to compliment each other nicely.

And I have to believe having a year under the massaged offense is going to help overall, even while losing Welsh, Daniels, Matt, Wadley and Butler. We'll be "less yet more experienced" if that makes sense.

The guys coming back got a lot of experience last year - it was a pretty young offense overall, a lot of first year players. And remember, it was a first year for the coaching staff mix last year also.

I'm not expecting massive improvement, but I am expecting more consistency and maybe a bit more flexibility and versatility.
 
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Have to wonder when this was ‘actually’written given that he doesn’t mention Daniels at C as a big loss to the draft. Also, the comment that Stanley won the QB position last spring was a little unknowledgeable.

Losing Wadley is a huge playmaking loss at RB that won’t be replaced. But if the bigger back Young can fight for 3 yards on those plays Wadley got stopped at scrimmage due to his size, he’ll give Stanley what he needs.

Given what returns there, do think that if Nixon can earn a regular rotation spot at DT, this DL could be scary good. Which it may need to be, given the losses at LB.

If Iowa can take advantage of the favorable schedule, the noteriety gained by tOSU game and draft surprises could help us at bowl selection time.

The section in bold got me thinking about what we need at the RB position. The classic power vs scatback, a dynamic duo (thunder and lightening), etc. Obviously we'd like to have Shonn Greene every year, but in the absence of that, what do we need and why? The comment about Young giving Stanley what he needs was the catalyst. Looking back at Weisman, who was heralded then maligned here, it occurred to me that he might have done better with an aggressive QB. The combination of aggressive QB and power RB can be really hard to stop. Given the RB can grind out yards and force extra men into the box to stop the 'O', it can really open things up for a QB that's willing to push and throw players open. A game manager who doesn't want to (or is discouraged from) throwing deeper than 8-10 yards is a recipe for disaster.

A conservative QB is going to grind it out in the passing game, so you really need a playmaker that's a HR threat to hand the ball off to, and you need to get him some space to work. In general, I think a team needs to legitimately threaten the end zone on every play from the LOS (except, perhaps from really deep in their own territory), to be consistently successful. Exclusively running a grinder at RB and a grinder at QB is a recipe for disaster.

The big question for next year is what kind of QB is Stanley going to be? Will he push the envelope and make plays or be a game manager? Does he have the head and skills to push it without blowing up? Will the coaching staff let him make plays or be in his head constantly warning against the dreaded turnover? That being said, I think the better the D, the more you can afford to take some chances. Kirk's approach seems to be to crawl into a shell offensively if he's got a good D and just ride them to (hopefully) a win. I think the exact opposite may be true. With a good D, you can weather the storm of some offensive mistakes more easily. Maybe that's when you can more safely take chances and build up a more comfortable lead.

If the LBs come along quickly, we could have a pretty salty D given where it starts...the D line. If so, I think encouraging Stanley to make plays could result in a greatly improved offense and a team overall that's a tough out.
 
A conservative QB is going to grind it out in the passing game, so you really need a playmaker that's a HR threat to hand the ball off to, and you need to get him some space to work. In general, I think a team needs to legitimately threaten the end zone on every play from the LOS (except, perhaps from really deep in their own territory), to be consistently successful. Exclusively running a grinder at RB and a grinder at QB is a recipe for disaster.
Having a grinder at BOTH RB and QB simply makes it hard to drive the ball consistently if the offense gets off schedule. Furthermore, splash plays are typically lower-percentage plays ... but they're also the ones that can make the biggest difference in a game because often lead to points (or to drives that produce points).

Part of traditional "predictability" of O'Keefe's old O was that our play-action pass down-field didn't always happen that often ... but when we pulled the trigger ... its odds of worker were higher (than are usually the case for such low-percentage plays). However, for our traditional "predictability" to work ... we still need to get positive yards ... even if the O is facing stacked boxes.

Also, if you look at the '15 and '16 seasons, although we faced stacked boxes ... that also implied fewer 3rd level defenders. Thus, IF the RB could get past the first 2 levels ... we were getting a surprising number of long TD runs.

When you really break things down, you also have to consider HOW the whole field is being utilized AND the impact that has on the potential for splash plays. If you usually work one part of the field ... defenders will adjust accordingly ... and they will typically vacate regions where you don't work. The opportunity for slash plays often "lives" in those vacated regions of the field.
 
I think the real potential positive could be ISM. He had real flashes of being a dynamic play maker along with some real "first-year freshman" mistakes. If he can get stronger and more consistent to give us a real threat in the passing game to go along with Easley as a security blanket and our tight ends, we could really have an exciting offense that can keep teams off balance.

When you can spread the ball around and are not one dimensional we have plenty of talent to run with anyone. I have zero concerns about our defense even losing our three linebackers. We just need that wide receiver that is in the mold of McNutt, DJK, that people may have to double cover to open up the rest of the passing game along with the running game. When teams are concerned with going over the top it opens up everything underneath. The problem in the past is we only played underneath so teams could pack the defense within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and only perfect execution would result in big plays. Not an easy task in the college game consistently.
 
Is Parker Hesse too big to play Linebacker? Dude is a playmaker, and tackles really well. He seems fast enough for the run stopping, but passing coverage?
We are deeper now on the dline than ever.
Just wondering...
I’ll hang up and listen. Thx
 
Is Parker Hesse too big to play Linebacker? Dude is a playmaker, and tackles really well. He seems fast enough for the run stopping, but passing coverage?
We are deeper now on the dline than ever.
Just wondering...
I’ll hang up and listen. Thx
265 LB? Not happening.
 
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I think Parker is as valuable as he can be for us at DE. No reason to move him after 3 years. ISM better be on kick return, I will say that. We need a big year from some select guys to propel the team to a great season. I sure hope we can get 10 wins!
 
I think Parker is as valuable as he can be for us at DE. No reason to move him after 3 years. ISM better be on kick return, I will say that. We need a big year from some select guys to propel the team to a great season. I sure hope we can get 10 wins!

Good grief I wonder about some of our fans. Guy has spent 3 years as a DE and let's play him at LB where he has to play in space all the time and he's too big for it. That will work. It's a bit harsh, but how about we just appreciate that we have 6+ legitimate d-linemen so we can effectively rotate them, as well as 1 or 2 injuries not being calamity?
 
Good grief I wonder about some of our fans. Guy has spent 3 years as a DE and let's play him at LB where he has to play in space all the time and he's too big for it. That will work. It's a bit harsh, but how about we just appreciate that we have 6+ legitimate d-linemen so we can effectively rotate them, as well as 1 or 2 injuries not being calamity?
If anything, given Hesse's make-up ... he's likely to move to the interior more ... unless Epenesa WANTs to move inside. Given that Nixon is entering the picture ... we'll be having a plethora of bodies to help man a decent DT rotation. However, the DE rotation is what will likely REALLY be special.

It's also worth speculating whether Brincks also gets interior reps too. Golston is a guy who is still adequately young that his best play is still in front of him ... so he has the potential to still pass guys on the depth-chart.
 
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