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A Hotter Future Is Certain, Climate Panel Warns. But How Hot Is Up to Us.

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Nations have delayed curbing their fossil-fuel emissions for so long that they can no longer stop global warming from intensifying over the next 30 years, though there is still a short window to prevent the most harrowing future, a major new United Nations scientific report has concluded.
Humans have already heated the planet by roughly 1.1 degrees Celsius, or 2 degrees Fahrenheit, since the 19th century, largely by burning coal, oil and gas for energy. And the consequences can be felt across the globe: This summer alone, blistering heat waves have killed hundreds of people in the United States and Canada, floods have devastated Germany and China, and wildfires have raged out of control in Siberia, Turkey and Greece.
But that’s only the beginning, according to the report, issued on Monday by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body of scientists convened by the United Nations. Even if nations started sharply cutting emissions today, total global warming is likely to rise around 1.5 degrees Celsius within the next two decades, a hotter future that is now essentially locked in.

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At 1.5 degrees of warming, scientists have found, the dangers grow considerably. Nearly 1 billion people worldwide could swelter in more frequent life-threatening heat waves. Hundreds of millions more would struggle for water because of severe droughts. Some animal and plant species alive today will be gone. Coral reefs, which sustain fisheries for large swaths of the globe, will suffer more frequent mass die-offs.
“We can expect a significant jump in extreme weather over the next 20 or 30 years,” said Piers Forster, a climate scientist at the University of Leeds and one of hundreds of international experts who helped write the report. “Things are unfortunately likely to get worse than they are today.”
Not all is lost, however, and humanity can still prevent the planet from getting even hotter. Doing so would require a coordinated effort among countries to stop adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere by around 2050, which would entail a rapid shift away from fossil fuels starting immediately, as well as potentially removing vast amounts of carbon from the air. If that happened, global warming would likely halt and level off at around 1.5 degrees Celsius, the report concludes.
But if nations fail in that effort, global average temperatures will keep rising — potentially passing 2 degrees, 3 degrees or even 4 degrees Celsius, compared with the preindustrial era. The report describes how every additional degree of warming brings far greater perils, such as ever more vicious floods and heat waves, worsening droughts and accelerating sea-level rise that could threaten the existence of some island nations. The hotter the planet gets, the greater the risks of crossing dangerous “tipping points,” like the irreversible collapse of the immense ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica.
“There’s no going back from some changes in the climate system,” said Ko Barrett, a vice-chair of the panel and a senior adviser for climate at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But, she added, immediate and sustained emissions cuts “could really make a difference in the climate future we have ahead of us.”



The report, approved by 195 governments and based on more than 14,000 studies, is the most comprehensive summary to date of the physical science of climate change. It will be a focal point when diplomats gather in November at a U.N. summit in Glasgow to discuss how to step up their efforts to reduce emissions.
A growing number of world leaders, including President Biden, have endorsed the goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, though current policies in the major polluting countries are still far off-track from achieving that target. The 10 biggest emitters of greenhouse gases are China, the United States, the European Union, India, Russia, Japan, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran and Canada.
The new report leaves no doubt that humans are responsible for global warming, concluding that essentially all of the rise in global average temperatures since the 19th century has been driven by nations burning fossil fuels, clearing forests and loading the atmosphere with greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane that trap heat.
The changes in climate to date have little parallel in human history, the report said. The last decade is quite likely the hottest the planet has been in 125,000 years. The world’s glaciers are melting and receding at a rate “unprecedented in at least the last 2,000 years.” Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have not been this high in at least 2 million years.
Ocean levels have risen 8 inches on average over the past century, and the rate of increase has doubled since 2006. Heat waves have become significantly hotter since 1950 and last longer in much of the world. Wildfire weather has worsened across large swaths of the globe. Bursts of extreme heat in the ocean — which can kill fish, seabirds and coral reefs — have doubled in frequency since the 1980s.
In recent years, scientists have also been able to draw clear links between global warming and specific severe weather events. Many of the deadly new temperature extremes the world has seen — like the record-shattering heat wave that scorched the Pacific Northwest in June — “would have been extremely unlikely to occur without human influence on the climate system,” the report says. Greenhouse gas emissions are noticeably making some droughts, downpours and floods worse.


Tropical cyclones have likely become more intense over the past 40 years, the report said, a shift that cannot be explained by natural variability alone.
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And as global temperatures keep rising, the report notes, so will the hazards. Consider a dangerous heat wave that, in the past, would have occurred just once in a given region every 50 years. Today, a similar heat wave can be expected every 10 years, on average. At 1.5 degrees Celsius of global warming, those heat waves will strike every 5 years and be significantly hotter. At 4 degrees of warming, they will occur nearly annually.
Or take sea level rise. At 1.5 degrees of warming, ocean levels are projected to rise another 1 to 2 feet this century, regularly inundating many coastal cities with floods that in the past would have occurred just once a century. But if temperatures keep increasing, the report said, there is a risk that the vast ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland could destabilize in unpredictable ways, potentially adding another three feet of sea-level rise this century in the worst case.
Further unpredictable changes may be in store. For example, a crucial ocean circulation system in the Atlantic Ocean, which helps stabilize the climate in Europe, is now starting to slow down. While the panel concluded with “medium confidence” that the system was unlikely to collapse abruptly this century, it warned that if the planet keeps heating up, the odds of such “low likelihood, high impact outcomes” would rise.
“It’s not like we can draw a sharp line where, if we stay at 1.5 degrees, we’re safe, and at 2 degrees or 3 degrees it’s game over,” said Robert Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University who helped write the report. “But every extra bit of warming increases the risks.”
Experts have estimated that current policies being pursued by world governments will put the world on track for roughly 3 degrees Celsius of warming by the end of the century. That has ramped up pressure on countries to make more ambitious pledges, beyond what they agreed to under an international climate agreement struck in Paris in 2015.



If nations follow through on more recent promises — like Mr. Biden’s April pledge to eliminate America’s net carbon emissions by 2050 or China’s vow to become carbon neutral by 2060 — then something closer to 2 degrees Celsius of warming might be possible. Additional action, such as sharply reducing methane emissions from agriculture and oil and gas drilling, could help limit warming below that level.
“The report leaves me with a deep sense of urgency,” said Jane Lubchenco, deputy director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. “Now is the critical decade for keeping the 1.5 target within reach.”

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
 
I prefer the hypocrites that love beating off to these threads but still travel, own boats, large homes, and SUVs.
I love the idiots who come to these threads thinking individual action will make a dent in what's coming. They're the f'n morans who will push us over the edge and it's because of them preventing meaningful international action that we're phvcked.

And, FTR, I car pool to work. Travel as little as possible. Own a 1200 sq/ft home. No boat. No camper. And other than my piece of crap van that I use like a truck, all our cars get 30+mpg.

And it won't make even the slightest difference in what we're facing..
 
I love the idiots who come to these threads thinking individual action will make a dent in what's coming. They're the f'n morans who will push us over the edge and it's because of them preventing meaningful international action that we're phvcked.

And, FTR, I car pool to work. Travel as little as possible. Own a 1200 sq/ft home. No boat. No camper. And other than my piece of crap van that I use like a truck, all our cars get 30+mpg.

And it won't make even the slightest difference in what we're facing..
If half the world is truly concerned and those people all stopped traveling and lived a minimalist lifestyle you don’t think that would have an impact on global warming? If that’s true than we might as well just stop worrying about it.
 
If half the world is truly concerned and those people all stopped traveling and lived a minimalist lifestyle you don’t think that would have an impact on global warming? If that’s true than we might as well just stop worrying about it.
Oh...so we don't have to rethink our entire system. We just need people to drive less and the problem is solved. Golly gee, wish i had thought of that.

BTW, were it a country, the concrete industry would be the third highest emitter of GHGs in the world. Guess I should stop pouring concrete.

Dumbass.
 
Oh...so we don't have to rethink our entire system. We just need people to drive less and the problem is solved. Golly gee, wish i had thought of that.

BTW, were it a country, the concrete industry would be the third highest emitter of GHGs in the world. Guess I should stop pouring concrete.

Dumbass.
I care. Give me my social media ribbon. That’s what it is all’s about.

my car gets 40+ a gallon. I almost never fly, never been on a cruise, and my house is very small.

double dumbass on you
 
I care. Give me my social media ribbon. That’s what it is all’s about.

my car gets 40+ a gallon. I almost never fly, never been on a cruise, and my house is very small.

double dumbass on you
LOL...all that sacrifice and you haven't fixed global arming yet??? Guess you have to do more!

That you fail to understand the futility of what you propose makes one think that if you actually "cared" you'd post smarter takes.
 
LOL...all that sacrifice and you haven't fixed global arming yet??? Guess you have to do more!

That you fail to understand the futility of what you propose makes one think that if you actually "cared" you'd post smarter takes.
No I really care. Do I get two ribbons?

I know , we need a tax, so those can afford to burn gas like crazy can feel better about themselves.

I bet almost everybody on cruises, European vacations, huge homes, and SUVs are secretly Trumps. Or just maybe they are hypocrites.

I guess we are on same boat. We both care and we are both wasting our time. You seem angry about it. I am not.
 
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No I really care. Do I get two ribbons?

I know , we need a tax, so those can afford to burn gas like crazy can feel better about themselves.

I bet almost everybody on cruises, European vacations, huge homes, and SUVs are secretly Trumps. Or just maybe they are hypocrites.
I have no problem calling all of them hypocrites. Yay!!! We fixed global warming!!!

Give yourself another ribbon.
 
If half the world is truly concerned and those people all stopped traveling and lived a minimalist lifestyle you don’t think that would have an impact on global warming? If that’s true than we might as well just stop worrying about it.
Correct, stop worrying about it, because implementing the average person's concept of a minimalist lifestyle won't get the job done,.. The planet will fix this on it's own terms.
 
If half the world is truly concerned and those people all stopped traveling and lived a minimalist lifestyle you don’t think that would have an impact on global warming? If that’s true than we might as well just stop worrying about it.
Good opening move. Start with the false argument that we have to return to living in mud floored sod huts. There simply are no innovations or adaptations that can be made.
 
Well....there's really no excuse for "first world" nations to do all they can to reduce carbon emissions.

I'm just a afraid that reductions are going to be offset by emerging economies taking advantage of cheaper fossil fuels to grow their economies. Totally understandable on their part and kind of tough to come down on them after "first world" economies have been pumping out CO2.....

As "first world" economies go the electric car route those old carbon burners just get shipped off to emerging economies.

 
Well....there's really no excuse for "first world" nations to do all they can to reduce carbon emissions.

I'm just a afraid that reductions are going to be offset by emerging economies taking advantage of cheaper fossil fuels to grow their economies. Totally understandable on their part and kind of tough to come down on them after "first world" economies have been pumping out CO2.....
Most people living in emerging economies simply don't have the luxury of being concerned about the planet...
 
Most people living in emerging economies simply don't have the luxury of being concerned about the planet...
I agree....

This is going to take a while to get most of the world on board to fight climate change but it has to start at the top.
 
I am going to get in my Silverado and drive to the Golf course on this hot ass afternoon. Get in my Gas powered Club Car and golf in this man made heat! Wish me luck.
 
"Not all is lost, however, and humanity can still prevent the planet from getting even hotter. Doing so would require a coordinated effort among countries ..."

Yeah, I stopped reading after that. I don't think it's possible to have a coordinated effort among neighbors, let alone countries.

We're screwed.
 
Venn diagram of people that deny Covid is an issue (mask/vaccine aren't needed) and those that deny climate change...perfect circle?

I mean, both are science, and we evidently hate science, so...
 
"Not all is lost, however, and humanity can still prevent the planet from getting even hotter. Doing so would require a coordinated effort among countries ..."

Yeah, I stopped reading after that. I don't think it's possible to have a coordinated effort among neighbors, let alone countries.

We're screwed.
It'll happen...eventually...too late...so, yeah.
 
Honestly if the UN gave a shit then we would have a coalition to go to war with China and have to drastically change the global economy. If the world is really going to end wouldn’t it make sense to do something drastic as such or is cheap labor and slave labor too important to the elites?

IMO, it will warm and mammals will adapt. I don’t think it’s as dire as they always say it is.
 
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Nations have delayed curbing their fossil-fuel emissions for so long that they can no longer stop global warming from intensifying over the next 30 years, though there is still a short window to prevent the most harrowing future, a major new United Nations scientific report has concluded.
Humans have already heated the planet by roughly 1.1 degrees Celsius, or 2 degrees Fahrenheit, since the 19th century, largely by burning coal, oil and gas for energy. And the consequences can be felt across the globe: This summer alone, blistering heat waves have killed hundreds of people in the United States and Canada, floods have devastated Germany and China, and wildfires have raged out of control in Siberia, Turkey and Greece.
But that’s only the beginning, according to the report, issued on Monday by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body of scientists convened by the United Nations. Even if nations started sharply cutting emissions today, total global warming is likely to rise around 1.5 degrees Celsius within the next two decades, a hotter future that is now essentially locked in.

Climate Fwd There’s an ongoing crisis — and tons of news. Our newsletter keeps you up to date. Get it sent to your inbox.
Advertisement
Continue reading the main story


At 1.5 degrees of warming, scientists have found, the dangers grow considerably. Nearly 1 billion people worldwide could swelter in more frequent life-threatening heat waves. Hundreds of millions more would struggle for water because of severe droughts. Some animal and plant species alive today will be gone. Coral reefs, which sustain fisheries for large swaths of the globe, will suffer more frequent mass die-offs.
“We can expect a significant jump in extreme weather over the next 20 or 30 years,” said Piers Forster, a climate scientist at the University of Leeds and one of hundreds of international experts who helped write the report. “Things are unfortunately likely to get worse than they are today.”
Not all is lost, however, and humanity can still prevent the planet from getting even hotter. Doing so would require a coordinated effort among countries to stop adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere by around 2050, which would entail a rapid shift away from fossil fuels starting immediately, as well as potentially removing vast amounts of carbon from the air. If that happened, global warming would likely halt and level off at around 1.5 degrees Celsius, the report concludes.
But if nations fail in that effort, global average temperatures will keep rising — potentially passing 2 degrees, 3 degrees or even 4 degrees Celsius, compared with the preindustrial era. The report describes how every additional degree of warming brings far greater perils, such as ever more vicious floods and heat waves, worsening droughts and accelerating sea-level rise that could threaten the existence of some island nations. The hotter the planet gets, the greater the risks of crossing dangerous “tipping points,” like the irreversible collapse of the immense ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica.
“There’s no going back from some changes in the climate system,” said Ko Barrett, a vice-chair of the panel and a senior adviser for climate at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But, she added, immediate and sustained emissions cuts “could really make a difference in the climate future we have ahead of us.”



The report, approved by 195 governments and based on more than 14,000 studies, is the most comprehensive summary to date of the physical science of climate change. It will be a focal point when diplomats gather in November at a U.N. summit in Glasgow to discuss how to step up their efforts to reduce emissions.
A growing number of world leaders, including President Biden, have endorsed the goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, though current policies in the major polluting countries are still far off-track from achieving that target. The 10 biggest emitters of greenhouse gases are China, the United States, the European Union, India, Russia, Japan, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran and Canada.
The new report leaves no doubt that humans are responsible for global warming, concluding that essentially all of the rise in global average temperatures since the 19th century has been driven by nations burning fossil fuels, clearing forests and loading the atmosphere with greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane that trap heat.
The changes in climate to date have little parallel in human history, the report said. The last decade is quite likely the hottest the planet has been in 125,000 years. The world’s glaciers are melting and receding at a rate “unprecedented in at least the last 2,000 years.” Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have not been this high in at least 2 million years.
Ocean levels have risen 8 inches on average over the past century, and the rate of increase has doubled since 2006. Heat waves have become significantly hotter since 1950 and last longer in much of the world. Wildfire weather has worsened across large swaths of the globe. Bursts of extreme heat in the ocean — which can kill fish, seabirds and coral reefs — have doubled in frequency since the 1980s.
In recent years, scientists have also been able to draw clear links between global warming and specific severe weather events. Many of the deadly new temperature extremes the world has seen — like the record-shattering heat wave that scorched the Pacific Northwest in June — “would have been extremely unlikely to occur without human influence on the climate system,” the report says. Greenhouse gas emissions are noticeably making some droughts, downpours and floods worse.


Tropical cyclones have likely become more intense over the past 40 years, the report said, a shift that cannot be explained by natural variability alone.
Advertisement
Continue reading the main story


And as global temperatures keep rising, the report notes, so will the hazards. Consider a dangerous heat wave that, in the past, would have occurred just once in a given region every 50 years. Today, a similar heat wave can be expected every 10 years, on average. At 1.5 degrees Celsius of global warming, those heat waves will strike every 5 years and be significantly hotter. At 4 degrees of warming, they will occur nearly annually.
Or take sea level rise. At 1.5 degrees of warming, ocean levels are projected to rise another 1 to 2 feet this century, regularly inundating many coastal cities with floods that in the past would have occurred just once a century. But if temperatures keep increasing, the report said, there is a risk that the vast ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland could destabilize in unpredictable ways, potentially adding another three feet of sea-level rise this century in the worst case.
Further unpredictable changes may be in store. For example, a crucial ocean circulation system in the Atlantic Ocean, which helps stabilize the climate in Europe, is now starting to slow down. While the panel concluded with “medium confidence” that the system was unlikely to collapse abruptly this century, it warned that if the planet keeps heating up, the odds of such “low likelihood, high impact outcomes” would rise.
“It’s not like we can draw a sharp line where, if we stay at 1.5 degrees, we’re safe, and at 2 degrees or 3 degrees it’s game over,” said Robert Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University who helped write the report. “But every extra bit of warming increases the risks.”
Experts have estimated that current policies being pursued by world governments will put the world on track for roughly 3 degrees Celsius of warming by the end of the century. That has ramped up pressure on countries to make more ambitious pledges, beyond what they agreed to under an international climate agreement struck in Paris in 2015.



If nations follow through on more recent promises — like Mr. Biden’s April pledge to eliminate America’s net carbon emissions by 2050 or China’s vow to become carbon neutral by 2060 — then something closer to 2 degrees Celsius of warming might be possible. Additional action, such as sharply reducing methane emissions from agriculture and oil and gas drilling, could help limit warming below that level.
“The report leaves me with a deep sense of urgency,” said Jane Lubchenco, deputy director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. “Now is the critical decade f
And?
 
I am going to get in my Silverado and drive to the Golf course on this hot ass afternoon. Get in my Gas powered Club Car and golf in this man made heat! Wish me luck.

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1 until the politicians that talk a tough game against china are ready to crack down on corporations that manufacture in china or other countries to exploit cheap labor and pollute the environment, they can eff off. They wont because it profits their corporate donors and the tough on china talk from many is just peacocking to their base because biden is president.

2 why is the onus to make changes largely thrust on the backs of the individuals and corporations are given a pass to continue their destructive habits. I can (and have been) reducing single use plastics in my home, and can do many things like drive an electric vehicle, put solar panels up when i buy a home etc and those things may make me feel good about what i am doing but overall wont make a dent in anything until #1 above gets addressed
 
I love the idiots who come to these threads thinking individual action will make a dent in what's coming. They're the f'n morans who will push us over the edge and it's because of them preventing meaningful international action that we're phvcked.

And, FTR, I car pool to work. Travel as little as possible. Own a 1200 sq/ft home. No boat. No camper. And other than my piece of crap van that I use like a truck, all our cars get 30+mpg.

And it won't make even the slightest difference in what we're facing..
You need taxed as you are not doing enough.
 
China is building 30-40 new coal fired power plants in the next 10 years. The U.S. is pissing in the wind at anything we do.
 
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