Simple yes or no questions are not simple for the President of Harvard, what makes you think it’ll be simple for Lucas?
Academic whom Claudine Gay plagiarized calls for Harvard leader's firing: Need to get 'back towards sanity'
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No, just the first lady of the United States. You know, far below the President of a University. JFC
So both are really bad and should not hold any type of position an Ivy League school agreed. Pretty pathetic, hopefully she finds a bit of pride and resigns.
You forgot the part about Melania not being First Lady again. Agreed.
You might as well ask for a link proving water is wet. Plagiarism is the third rail of academics and this type of bullshit from people like you is nothing more than gaslighting.
You are a dishonest piece of shit and the thing is you know it. Everyone knows it. The University of Iowa has filters now to catch undergraduate students trying to use artificial intelligence to write their essays and papers. So tell me that the president of Harvard shouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny as an undergraduate student at a public university with an 80 percent acceptance rate. The sad part is you are so caught in your own bullshit you lie and distort no matter what.
By the way the person she stole from is a black woman and is asking her to resign or be fired.
Hey, I just said she may be fired (and very likely should be) but these things can take time. I just asked you for examples of university presidents being fired overnight.
Do you have anything to share other than the typical hawkedoff anger and vitriol?
Penn. Just happened for the same testimony.
Reaign or be fired. She resigned
Yes poor you being a liar and me telling you are a lying piece of shit liar
IF it is true, she should suffer consequences. I'm sure Harvard and Gay will be able to figure it out.
Yes, we know how highly you think about people who represent us from The People’s House.
Stefanik, and the NY Post, which is hardly a bastion of truth and ethics.
Not a shock that the usual suspects are so gullible as to fall for this. Non stop content for the Post and Fox.
Enjoy your family time today, Coff. I guess that goes for the rest of you fellas who can't stop being aggrieved at a contrived controversy on Christmas Day. Lot's of these on HORT today.
Merry Christmas you little knucklehead.Stefanik, and the NY Post, which is hardly a bastion of truth and ethics.
Not a shock that the usual suspects are so gullible as to fall for this. Non stop content for the Post and Fox.
Enjoy your family time today, Coff. I guess that goes for the rest of you fellas who can't stop being aggrieved at a contrived controversy on Christmas Day. Lot's of these on HORT today.
Harvard is currently living off of hundreds of years of institutional high standards and thousands of the brightest minds around as alumni.
The bubble they’ve created around themselves of late limits their ability to see what they’re doing now that isn’t helpful to their brand.
Maybe. And the line to get in is around the world.
My point is it’s ridiculous to say Harvard isn’t prestigious.
Of 250 institutions analyzed, why did Harvard University rank last in free speech?
Harvard University is the only institution to have received an "Abysmal" speech climate rating in FIRE's 2024 College Free Speech Rankings.
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And?Of 250 institutions analyzed, why did Harvard University rank last in free speech?
Harvard University is the only institution to have received an "Abysmal" speech climate rating in FIRE's 2024 College Free Speech Rankings.
Please explain.
Are you joining Northern in claiming Harvard isn’t a prestigious institution?
Prestige isn't eternal. Harvard is losing its luster.
Well, you said it’s not prestigious. Now.
But to your point, as Joelbc says, “We shall see!”
I Vote on Plagiarism Cases at Harvard College. Gay’s Getting off Easy.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/31/honor-council-member-gay/
By An Undergraduate Member of the Harvard College Honor Council, Contributing Opinion Writer
I have served as a voting member of the Harvard College Honor Council, the body tasked with upholding the College’s community standards of academic integrity.
In my time on the Council, I heard dozens of cases. When students — my classmates, peers, and friends — appear before the council, they are distraught. For most, it is the worst day of their college careers. For some, it is the worst day of their lives. They often cry.
It is because I have seen first-hand how heart-wrenching these decisions can be, and still think them necessary, that I call on University President Claudine Gay to resign for her numerous and serious violations of academic ethics.
Let’s compare the treatment of Harvard undergraduates suspected of plagiarism with that of their president.
A plurality of the Honor Council’s investigations concern plagiarism. In the 2021-22 school year, the last year for which data is publicly available, 43 percent of cases involved plagiarism or misuse of sources.
Omitting quotation marks, citing sources incompletely, or not citing sources at all constitutes plagiarism according to Harvard’s definitions.
In my experience, when students omit quotation marks and citations, as President Gay did, the sanction is usually one term of probation — a permanent mark on a student’s record. A student on probation is no longer considered in good standing, disqualifying them from opportunities like fellowships and study-abroad programs. Good standing is also required to receive a degree.
What is striking about the allegations of plagiarism against President Gay is that the improprieties are routine and pervasive.
She is accused of plagiarism in her dissertation and at least two of her 11 journal articles. Two sentences from the acknowledgement section of her dissertation even seem to have been copied from another work.
According to the Honor Council’s procedures, the response to a violation depends on the “seriousness of the infraction” and “extenuating circumstances, including the extent to which a student has had similar trouble before.” In other words, while a single lifted paragraph could be blamed on a lapse in judgment, a pattern is more concerning.
In my experience, when a student is found responsible for multiple separate Honor Code violations, they are generally required to withdraw — i.e., suspended — from the College for two semesters. Since the Council was established in 2015, roughly 16 percent of students who have appeared before us have been required to withdraw.
It is a serious thing for the Council to render this judgment, and I have never taken any such vote lightly. Voting to suspend a peer with whom I might share a dorm, club, or class is not easy. We have even voted to suspend seniors just about to graduate.
But strict sanctions are necessary to demonstrate that our community values academic integrity. Cheating on exams is not okay. Plagiarism is not okay.
It may be true that the plagiarism allegations against President Gay fall short of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences’ interim policy on research misconduct. She may not have “intentionally, knowingly, and recklessly” tried to represent the work of her doctoral advisor and others as her own. And there is no evidence that any of her arguments posited as original contributions were plagiarized.
But President Gay’s pattern of mistakes is serious, and the Harvard Corporation should not minimize these allegations of plagiarism, as it has readily done.
In a Dec. 12 University-wide letter, the Corporation described the alleged plagiarism as “a few instances of inadequate citation.” The letter lauded President Gay for “proactively” correcting her articles by inserting citations and quotation marks.
By definition, Gay’s corrections were not proactive but reactive — she only made them after she was caught. And that the Corporation considers her corrections an adequate response is not fair to undergraduates, who cannot simply submit corrections to avoid penalties.
When my peers are found responsible for multiple instances of inadequate citation, they are often suspended for an academic year. When the president of their university is found responsible for the same types of infractions, the fellows of the Corporation “unanimously stand in support of” her.
There is one standard for me and my peers and another, much lower standard for our University’s president. The Corporation should resolve the double standard by demanding her resignation.
Editor’s Note: In order to protect the author from retaliation, and because the proceedings of the Harvard College Honor Council are sensitive and confidential, we made the decision to grant this author anonymity.
It is a serious thing for the Council to render this judgment, and I have never taken any such vote lightly. Voting to suspend a peer with whom I might share a dorm, club, or class is not easy. We have even voted to suspend seniors just about to graduate.
But strict sanctions are necessary to demonstrate that our community values academic integrity. Cheating on exams is not okay. Plagiarism is not okay.
It may be true that the plagiarism allegations against President Gay fall short of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences’ interim policy on research misconduct. She may not have “intentionally, knowingly, and recklessly” tried to represent the work of her doctoral advisor and others as her own. And there is no evidence that any of her arguments posited as original contributions were plagiarized.
But President Gay’s pattern of mistakes is serious, and the Harvard Corporation should not minimize these allegations of plagiarism, as it has readily done.
In a Dec. 12 University-wide letter, the Corporation described the alleged plagiarism as “a few instances of inadequate citation.” The letter lauded President Gay for “proactively” correcting her articles by inserting citations and quotation marks.
By definition, Gay’s corrections were not proactive but reactive — she only made them after she was caught. And that the Corporation considers her corrections an adequate response is not fair to undergraduates, who cannot simply submit corrections to avoid penalties.
When my peers are found responsible for multiple instances of inadequate citation, they are often suspended for an academic year. When the president of their university is found responsible for the same types of infractions, the fellows of the Corporation “unanimously stand in support of” her.
There is one standard for me and my peers and another, much lower standard for our University’s president. The Corporation should resolve the double standard by demanding her resignation.
Editor’s Note: In order to protect the author from retaliation, and because the proceedings of the Harvard College Honor Council are sensitive and confidential, we made the decision to grant this author anonymity.
What a fvcking clown. No apology, no admission or contrition for what she clearly did... instead more garbage about hate and bias and justice. People like her have no business leading a McDonald's much less a prestigious university.
It used to be until it decided identity politics and political points of view were more important and a classic liberal education. Harvard is just another liberal postage stamp anymore.
