Active shooter In Nashville school
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Dems had control of the house from 2018-2022.
Did they have Filibuster proof majority in the Senate? Get back to me on what the House passed for gun legislation during that time as well
If it's funding it can be included the "budget reconciliation" process. That's how the D's got through the 'Inflation Reduction Act". They only needed 50 votes for that in the last congress...Did they have Filibuster proof majority in the Senate? Get back to me on what the House passed for gun legislation during that time as well
This is in regards to mental health funding...
Let me know how the Prime Minsters of Manchin and Sinema viewed that? This is on 50 GOP Senators and 2 pretend Democrats. Not the 48 unified Democrats of the Senate at that time.
You've got it all wrong. I'm sick and tired of dumb ****ing people making decisions that are going to impact me. Go ahead and say people with mental disorders can't own guns, but your going to have to label people and your going tonhave to acknowledge gender dysphoria is a mental disorder.
Haven't forgot about you, had to drive to CR and thought I would find it while driving. It's in one of these shooting threads. A gentleman was providing maps of other parts of the world, at which time I pointed out that small tribal killings were not counted in Africa's/ middle east numbers but gang killings were in ours. As if those are different in any way.
Our almost total rejection of the idea that there are members of the population that need to be institutionalized...
Filibuster. Why do we have to tell you this every time you bring this up? Plus Manchin and Sinema. Or do you want government to waste even more time? Until Republicans jump on board this is America.
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SB.....you honestly seem like a good person. But, we will just have to disagree on these things. Anyone...and I mean....anyone who takes the life of a child is mentally ill. That doesn't mean they can't also have other things going on. But that is hard stop for me. Again, we are not talking about someone who just "thought" about doing this....they did it. And, they bought their guns. My point is that if they had been prevented from buying these guns (which I wish we could have done) they very likely would have found another way to inflict casualties. As far as people who make a hit list or seriously contemplate suicide....but don't do it because they are looking for the right condition to do it...yes, they also have a mental illness. It doesn't mean that it is permanent or that it wasn't contributed by other facts. This happens all the time (think of those who are shown to have temporary insanity).
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I totally understand what you are saying, but we really do have a major issue with guns getting in the hands of those who are struggling mentally (and of course criminals) in this country. There has to be an answer.....but what we are doing now is absolutely not working. I don't think anyone truly wants to take the guns from law abiding citizens, but this is just keeps getting worse.
Not every solution has to be a perfect fix for the last tragedy. The point is to reduce the number of tragedies going forward.
I did I vote for competent candidates and I volunteered for Axne campaign. Can't overcome ignorance and cluelessness that is the majority here.
To those focused on mental illness, what is your solution that can be implemented and effective as quickly as gun control measures being discussed? Are you suggesting any person who is receiving counseling will have their guns confiscated and not be able to purchase them? Or is it just those who have been diagnosed as "mentally ill"? In either case, what about those who show no mental illness until they carry out a violent attack like this shooting? How do we keep guns from these people?
Lots of talk about addressing mental illness from those who are desperate to avoid reasonable gun controls. Let's see some details on what that really means.
Lots of talk about addressing mental illness from those who are desperate to avoid reasonable gun controls. Let's see some details on what that really means.
I take it you didn’t vote for a president during the last election then.
Glad you were able to find some other candidates during the latest election to vote for. Hopefully the ones that you voted for don’t just call everyone else clueless or ignorant just because they have a different opinion then what you have.
It may sound like I am defending guns but to be honest I couldn’t care less if people do or do not have guns. I have never shot anything more the. A BB gun in my life. I just hope people realize there is more to these shootings then just gun violence.
To me, anyone who can take a child's life is far beyond what I would label as mentally ill. But let's go with just saying they're mentally ill. If we took away guns from everyone who's mentally ill, that could be half the people in this country if you consider anxiety as a mental illness. There's all different kinds of mental illness. There's just no way to determine which form of mental illness will result in someone going into a school and killing kids. That's why I think it's impossible to determine who can buy guns and who can't. We just need to eliminate those guns that are used strictly for mass shootings.
Of course there's more. In a perfect world we should be able to leave our doors unlocked, women should be able to walk alone, we wouldn't need security at that airports, but we don't live in a perfect world. Because of that we have to control the environment to help keep people safe. Let's get rid of the assault rifles and we find ourselves in a perfect world then we can talk about allowing assault rifles. But honestly, in a perfect world, who would even want an assault rifle.
Looks like some form of mental illness going on right there. WFT in a sound state of mind takes a Christmas photo like that
I also want to eliminate the guns that are used in Mass shootings. And, I agree that the majority of those with (lets say Mental Distress), would NEVER shoot a child. So, I just want to find a way to effectively identify those folks....who might have that MAJOR issue before they get that far gone. As has been stated by others in this thread.....many of the shooters did give clear warning signs that they were going to do what they did. Anyway we look at it is a terrible situation.
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Again, in none of my post have I ever said that we should ignore gun control measures. That is ridiculous. I want the guns used to kill mass people gone. What I have indeed been saying is that to ignore the mental health issue in this country as well is not going to solve the problem completely. And tell me how any legislation is going to take care of the guns already out there? I have not heard any real doable solutions to that?
And, again, NO ONE is suggesting mental health should be ignored. In fact the vast majority of those pushing for gun controls have identified improving mental healthcare and red flag laws. We can enact gun controls quickly so let's coordinate efforts on those and get them done. But we can't because there are too many people like you who say to gun control "yeah, but..." and then go off on mental health or some other tangent.
The legislation most often being proposed is geared toward making gun owners responsible for securing their weapons at all times, identifying people who may be having mental issues and should not have a gun, registering ALL guns, raising the age to purchase to 21, requiring extensive background checks on all gun purchases and regular certified training to maintain ownership. They are all do-able but the republicans won't support any of them because the gun lobby tells them not to.
That's racist! If we can't have voter ID because it's not fair to minorities then how can we expect them to do all that?
There is only one party that refuses make changes. Republicans cannot piss off their base on this issue.
For pete sake "too many people like you who say to gun control "yeah, but..." and then go off on mental health or some other tangent." All I have seen is get the guns (which I agree totally with). But "going off" on mental health as well is not a bad thing......the problem is people like you want to downplay it as a side issue when it is THE reason these people are committing these horrible acts in the first place. And the gun lobby can kiss my ass........
No one is downplaying - in fact we are acknowledging it as a huge issue that is complicated and messy and extremely difficult to solve. Maybe there is no solution to that. So we are focusing our immediate attention on doing the things we know can be done. The "but mental health" response distracts from getting anything implemented.
We likely need to start putting away those with severe mental illness at this point until every gun is accounted for and off the street. We can't risk lunatics getting their hands on any of the 500mm guns floating around the US. We can attack this from both fronts, reopen the asylums (think of it as a jobs program) and start locating the guns, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Start with locking up the lunatic politicians who are inciting violence against others, there are an equal number of these dipshits on both team R and team D. Let it be known that good men will no longer allow lunacy.
This shooter was part of the terrorist left as opposed to the terrorist right.
We likely need to start putting away those with severe mental illness at this point until every gun is accounted for and off the street. We can't risk lunatics getting their hands on any of the 500mm guns floating around the US. We can attack this from both fronts, reopen the asylums (think of it as a jobs program) and start locating the guns, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Start with locking up the lunatic politicians who are inciting violence against others, there are an equal number of these dipshits on both team R and team D. Let it be known that good men will no longer allow lunacy.
So lock away anyone who could be a threat…someday.
How about we just stop stigmatizing mental health? Too many treat it as a joke, treat others who are receiving treatment as something less than others, insult the profession, etc.
Yes...we can use the precogs to identify the threats.
