CJ is the leader of this Offense. Take him out of the mix and the Offense loses it's leader. I think it would be a very poor idea to bench your leader.
After an Indiana win, park Beathard until?
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I think Minnesota is just as dangerous a game as Indiana but in a different way. I think Minnesota has a very good D and are very physical. They could knock CJ out of the game like they did to Rudock. Their offense is sub par but they seemed to do ok against Michigan.
As a Broncos fan, somewhat amusing that you would use Peyton Manning as a reference point in this post. Also struggling to put up touchdown passes in statistical frequency. Also undefeated. Nevermind how many people were (are?) calling for him to be benched in favor of Brock Osweiler.
It would be nice if we could park CJ, but no game is a lock, and you play with the dogs that got you there. If CJ gets hurt to the point he cannot play, you park him, but not while your still 4 games from the finish. I think we park him there is a 50/50 chance we finish second to Wisconsin and are sitting home BIG Championship game. Why save someone from a game you haven't qualified for......YET.
Hopefully they can get up big on the next 4 teams where they can rest CJ and put in Wiegers. That is the only time CJ should be 'parked'
I think Weigers could beat Purdue but that's the only one I would feel safe with..
Is somebody confusing us with a blue blood again? The only way we win the West is with CJ taking snaps. If he goes down then you deal with that at the time but you throw your ace everytime you get a chance. Everyone says we have cupcakes left and that is not true. Indiana is an offensively very good, Purdue seems to be finding something, Minnesota gave Michigan everything they could handle, and I guarantee Nebraska will play their best game all year against us, especially if it means bowl eligibility.
I understand that it would be nice to have a healthy CJ to play Ohio State in Indianapolis, but the idea of keeping him out so he is healthy to play in a game you haven't qualified for yet is ...........LOCO, to say the least. IF we had another proven QB, I might feel different, but unlike Ohio State....WE DON"T....
the correct answer to this thread is just to get a 28-30 pt lead by halftime so CJ can take the rest of the game off.
I'm not sure how much fail one can have in one post, but you're pretty close to maxxing out. The sole reference to Peyton was in terms of his ability to adjust plays at the line, which is he famous for. CJ is far from that, although he is getting better - I would say even Rudock did a bit more tinkering and audibiling at the line (even if it was always a run).
I made the reference to say CJB isn't Peyton. You, on the other hand, are actually comparing CJB to Peyton Manning. Think about what you're sayng. Maybe take a walk outside. Drink a glass of water. CJB is great - love the kid - but he's. Not. Peyton. Freaking. Manning. Especially injured, where over the past 3 games he has an 80 QBR.
Also, for the record, plenty of people in Denver and across the NFL were calling for Peyton to be benched over the past few weeks. Same with Andrew Luck, with his broken ribs.
And finally, for the last time: I am not calling for CJB to be benched for the season or even a single game. I am calling for a rotation. I simply think it makes sense to use Wiegers either to start for a possession or two, or situationally (a la Cardale Jones and JT Barrett pre-suspension), and bring CJB in out of the bullpen if Wiegers falters.
If Wiegers succeeds - maybe we don't have to play so conservatively with CJB bc we have a capable backup. Maybe CJB won't take knockout hits if they know Wiegers is in the bullpen and he's shown he's just as good if not better than a gimpy CJ.
If Wiegers can't succeed against INDIANA and PURDUE - whelp, we better adjust our playcalling so CJ doesn't go down vs Minn, Neb. or OSU/MSU. And if we need to break the emergency glass, at least Wiegers' first real snaps won't be against an OSU, a la Vandenberg.
I agree with your premise, but in fairness, it isn't all about throwing TD passes. You have to move the chains too, and he's done that OK to this point. I absolutely believe that CJ the playmaker is not there currently, and even with the records of the teams we face moving forward, at some point we're probably going to need him to make some plays. I'm not convinced he's up to it anymore to be honest. Bummer for sure, because he definitely IS a playmaker when healthy.
Teams already know he's limited, and they'll adjust accordingly. IF Iowa executes their Offense regardless, it won't matter. The 2nd half of the Maryland game suggests it won't work long term, but maybe we'll be up 21-0 every game and we sleepwalk through 2nd halves and win games...........................
As for Weigers, I don't think anybody has seen enough of him in Game situations to determine if he's up to the task or not. For all we know he's an All-American sitting on the bench.
While I understand the "save him for later" thought process, Iowa does not have the luxury of that. It's one thing to have back up linemen, as disruptive as that can be. Entirely another matter at the QB spot. Even more so for Iowa where the drop off in ability not only to run the offense but simply play the position is relatively steep. Granted, Wiegers hasn't seen the field much. What time he has had, though, hasn't demonstrated anything that would make me think he's ready to go.
You realize that having a veteran QB that other teams have to respect might open up the running game just a tad, right, genius?
How full would the box be on every play with our redshirt frosh QB throwing to our walk-on scrubs and freshmen out wide?
It's not having a "veteran QB" that matters as much as a QB that can make all the throws, run play action, read coverages and use his legs to escape pressure (or run for a 1st down if things break down). Which CJB can't really do effectively right now, by his own admission.
And why in the world would anyone stick Wiegers out there with the 2nd or 3rd team? Nice straw man DudeBro.
Great message to send to the rest of the team. Let's go after the championship halfassed.
And how many throws can Wiegers make, and what are his abilities at reading coverages, considering that he's never played outside of garbage time?
And take a look at our WR depth chart, dumbass. One true freshman and 3 guys with zero major offers outside of Iowa.
Do you even follow the team, dipshit?
CJ is playing all critical snaps until he cannot. He is playing at the edge. His mobility is highly compromised. Once he goes over, he will be done for the season. The best his health will be (until off season) was how he was for Maryland. If they can keep him stable and game plan through the last 4 wins, fine by me.
Wiegers throws very well. Of course he is not up to speed at the line of scrimmage yet. If Iowa is going to do really big things this year, Wiegers will play a part....out of pure necessity.
Every defense Iowa faces from here on out will be trying to knock him out of the game. The OL better play to their heights.
Wiegers throws very well. Of course he is not up to speed at the line of scrimmage yet. If Iowa is going to do really big things this year, Wiegers will play a part....out of pure necessity.
Every defense Iowa faces from here on out will be trying to knock him out of the game. The OL better play to their heights.
With all due respect, you seem to be a level headed guy, I don't think anybody on this board has seen enough of Tyler Wiegers to make a clear statement about his ability, or lack thereof. Kirk Ferentz is his Head Coach, they're not trotting out Wiegers and calling Flea Flickers. When Wiegers goes into games, he's basically told two things. Don't turn the ball over, and don't be a hero. They're not going to give him the full playbook, whether he could "handle" it or not. We've had 17 years to witness how Ferentz treats his QB's, starters and backups. The "safe" guy plays first, always. Even when sometimes that "safe" guy has proven to be a horrible DI Quarterback.
I guarantee you New Kirk is NOT New Kirk when Wiegers is playing. He is very much Old Kirk then, and we all know what that means by now I would hope (hand-off or 5 yard pass on 3rd and 7).
There are plenty of good to great backups sitting on benches across the country right now, that nobody has ever heard of. For all we know Tyler Wiegers is one of those guys. I'm not calling for him to start or anything close to that, but I don't believe we really know what we have. Did anybody think Derrick Mitchell would be worth a damn as a running back in his 1st year after switching positions? A guy that was pretty much invisible last year. He looks like he knows what he's doing out there. Different position, more responsibility for Wiegers for sure, but I presume he's been a QB now for quite some time.
Maybe Wiegers isn't any good. Maybe he's really good. I don't think we know that right now.
Most of my posts are on the OT board. But I do post here from time to time. Don't blame me because you haven't seen my other posts. And when you say the other poster is what's wrong with America, "Hyperbole" was too good for you. And the dumbest thing you've ever heard? I highly doubt that since you undoubtedly hear yourself talk every day.
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With all this being said, IMO it would be nice if it didn't matter who was QB because I think they will be handing the ball off 50+ times this saturday and I think CJB can handle that and I also think the TW can handle that too.....problem is that it is not a perfect world and our offense will pry have to put up some points....but at the same time if we are pounding it right up their tails and chewing up clock, their offense doesn't seem to potent when they are standing on the sidelines
Only if Wisconsin doesn't lose. I still have the feeling that Minnesota finally gets them this year, but we'll see.
If Bucky loses one more, Iowa would have to fall all the way to 5-3 not to make Indy.
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Phew! Glad you are here to make things clear Lombardi....
Let me make it really clear for you. The goal of this team is a NC now. This team doesn't make it without Beathard. This team doesn't make the BIG Championship without Beathard.
Time to call you out Boss, I live in Denver give a LINK to one acticle about benching Manning in favor of Osweiler...good luck.
Nobody has compared CJB to Manning. The situation of starting quarterbacks for undefeated teams, on the other hand....
Screwit, I'm already bored of this silly thread.
You make some decent points, Jerry, but your cognitive reading skills and assholic demeanor could use some work.
This whole Beathard situation baffles me. So many unanswered questions leaves me, and many others I assume, in the dark trying to figure out the truth. First off, did CJ ever get an MRI or professional opinion on what the injury is? Do we know with high certainty that it's just a severe groin pull? I know the coaches have been managing the games/play calls in a way to help CJ (heavy dose of running and relying on our defense). It almost feels as if the coaches and CJ know it's more serious but CJB is adamant on playing until he can't anymore, which is obviously a good and bad thing. His leadership and toughness rubs off on the other players and the toughness of this team is clearly evident. That's the part that makes me think letting CJ play, even if it's 50% health, is the best option.
The other side of me questions how much more damage he is doing to the injury. Say for example it is a sports hernia. The wisest option would have been to do the surgery after NW allowing him to recover during the bye week, maryland, and indiana and hopefully make it back after Indiana. This is just a hypothetical idea on if it was a sports hernia but from what it sounds like it isn't. With our defense playing so well and we are running the ball so much and effectively it does make me wonder how we would have faired if Beathard sat the maryland game and rest up this week too. I firmly believe we have the best chance to win even with a hobbled quarterback over TW, but I think we would have beaten Maryland without CJ. With Indiana's horrid defense I think we'd still beat them with TW just because of our defense and run game. I wouldn't oppose if CJ sat this week out but I definitely wouldn't call for that too happen.
Main thing is I just want some darn answers about the injury!!
The other side of me questions how much more damage he is doing to the injury. Say for example it is a sports hernia. The wisest option would have been to do the surgery after NW allowing him to recover during the bye week, maryland, and indiana and hopefully make it back after Indiana. This is just a hypothetical idea on if it was a sports hernia but from what it sounds like it isn't. With our defense playing so well and we are running the ball so much and effectively it does make me wonder how we would have faired if Beathard sat the maryland game and rest up this week too. I firmly believe we have the best chance to win even with a hobbled quarterback over TW, but I think we would have beaten Maryland without CJ. With Indiana's horrid defense I think we'd still beat them with TW just because of our defense and run game. I wouldn't oppose if CJ sat this week out but I definitely wouldn't call for that too happen.
Main thing is I just want some darn answers about the injury!!
You pretty much have all the answers in your own post.
Wiegers is good enough now to help win the rest of the regular season games.
Wiegers is good enough now to help win the rest of the regular season games.
So after the open practice everyone was saying hopefully CJ doesn't get hurt because Wiegers isn't ready for this. Now some are saying lets bench CJ and let him rest and play Wiegers because he is better than a hobbled CJ. Which is it?
During this latest stretch CJ has been basically a game manager. You can't start the back up and then try to bring in CJ if things aren't going well and hope he can lead a comeback.
During this latest stretch CJ has been basically a game manager. You can't start the back up and then try to bring in CJ if things aren't going well and hope he can lead a comeback.
You will never get any answers nor should you ever.....fans are not entitled to a damn thing and that is how it should be
Like Milehigh said, we as fans are not entitled to anything. If you know the extent of the injury, the other teams also know the extent.
By the sounds of it, the kid has a sports hernia, which is more or less an overuse injury. A little bit of rest will make him feel marginally better. Until he plays football again, and then it will be right back where it was as soon as he makes a cut or plants sharply. He isn't going to be back to himself until next year. It's a frustrating injury, very limiting. But the only thing he can do at this point is play through it probably.
