Alex Meyer Quarter Final Match - Ref missed automatic stall call

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

In the last minute of Meyer's match vs Jordan, Jordan backed straight off the mat out of bounds.

With the new rule implemented two years ago this is supposed to be an automatic stall call. It's not a subjective stalling call.

This would have given Alex Meyer a point later in the match, since Jordan had another stalling call in the last 20 seconds.

The match would have gone to overtime.

I don't know how the ref missed that call, since it was blatantly obvious.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

And there's a perfect example of why that ridiculous rule needs to be scrapped and replaced with a push-out.

 

[FrontHeadlock2]

You're assuming the stall in the last 20 would have been called, or that Jordan would have wrestled the exact same way if he had a SW.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

You're assuming the stall in the last 20 would have been called, or that Jordan would have wrestled the exact same way if he had a SW.

That's true, but it would have at least required Jordan to work up and given Meyer a better chance to escape. I'm not saying it would have necessarily changed the outcome, and Meyer definitely blew the match by giving up the takedown, but the ref missed a blatant call that had serious implications.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

You're assuming the stall in the last 20 would have been called, or that Jordan would have wrestled the exact same way if he had a SW.

True, but the point is that an infraction occurred according to this joke of a rule that's never applied consistently, but the penalty wasn't called. Matches are being affected right and left by this crazy rule that's being appled almost randomly. It's nuts.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

Gunther was called for it and deserved it

 

[Sett1997]

And there's a perfect example of why that ridiculous rule needs to be scrapped and replaced with a push-out.

Exactly, common sense rule. I can't belive they haven't instilled the push out 1 point rule.
Oh, I know why, it's common sense.

 

[Mattski]

How about realizing you have a 2 point lead with 20 seconds left and just stalling your way to a win? As much as I hate it, that's all he had to do.

 

[neversurrender]

While yes it should have been stalling, how about Alex do more than what he did?

 

[woodsiding]

Meyer is probably looking at Crutchmer in the round of 12. A winnable match but a toss-up to say the least.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

How about realizing you have a 2 point lead with 20 seconds left and just stalling your way to a win? As much as I hate it, that's all he had to do.

Run Alex run is all he had to do.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

How about realizing you have a 2 point lead with 20 seconds left and just stalling your way to a win? As much as I hate it, that's all he had to do.

I agree completely that Meyer blew that match and that's his own fault. However, it doesn't excuse the blatant missed automatic stall call by the referee. If they're going to have that rule, they need to call it. It's not a subjective decision. It undeniably should have been a stalling warning against Bo Jordan. It was a missed call. And it very likely could have effected the outcome of the match, so you can't simply overlook it by saying, the fault is on Meyer.

 

[Wrassler223]

Exactly, common sense rule. I can't belive they haven't instilled the push out 1 point rule.
Oh, I know why, it's common sense.

That's not good for wrestling imo. That would elimate a lot of the edge wrestling. They have the right idea just need to tweek a couple things.

 

[HoundedHawk]

Low IQ wrestling...it's unreal they can't learn to backup. You'd think the Daniel Dennis scar would be permanently ingrained.

 

[AFHawk86]

That's not good for wrestling imo. That would elimate a lot of the edge wrestling. They have the right idea just need to tweek a couple things.

Strongly disagree. Tweaking will only prolong the frustration. Agree with the edge wrestling however. I've stated here before the NCAA should institute a push out rule that results in a point IF no points are scored during the action that takes the wrestlers out of bounds.

 

[Omahahawk86]

I haven't checked hr all day bc of this match. HORRID NO CALL. hey bo back off the match and get a pep talk from Ryan. How could that possibly be action? The rule is right but refs swallow their whistles when it counts. Alex blew it no doubt but that changes the match.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I haven't checked hr all day bc of this match. HORRID NO CALL. hey bo back off the match and get a pep talk from Ryan. How could that possibly be action? The rule is right but refs swallow their whistles when it counts. Alex blew it no doubt but that changes the match.

Exactly. The rule is fine as is. It just needs to be enforced. It's not subjective. It should have been called.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

That's not good for wrestling imo. That would elimate a lot of the edge wrestling. They have the right idea just need to tweek a couple things.

Strongly disagree. Watch freestyle. The push-out rule generates action and excitement. First of all, its main effect is to keep the action in the center. Action is action, whether it's in the center or on the edge. Also, though, the push-out adds excitement on the edge, because there's always the danger of giving up a score (or the converse -- the chance to score) whenever the action nears the edge. Last, the push-out rule eliminates the subjectivity of trying to determine if the guy circled in enough, whether he backed out or was pushed out, etc. It's black and white.

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "edge wrestling". IMO, "edge wrestling" is one of the worst things about the sport in its current form. It mainly involves guys diving out of bounds to avoid giving up a score, guys trying to avoid getting dragged back in, and various other methods of stalling. The sport needs action and less controversy, IMO, and putting in a push-out, instead of the joke of a rule we currently have, would accomplish that.

 

[neversurrender]

Strongly disagree. Watch freestyle. The push-out rule generates action and excitement. First of all, its main effect is to keep the action in the center. Action is action, whether it's in the center or on the edge. Also, though, the push-out adds excitement on the edge, because there's always the danger of giving up a score (or the converse -- the chance to score) whenever the action nears the edge. Last, the push-out rule eliminates the subjectivity of trying to determine if the guy circled in enough, whether he backed out or was pushed out, etc. It's black and white.

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "edge wrestling". IMO, "edge wrestling" is one of the worst things about the sport in its current form. It mainly involves guys diving out of bounds to avoid giving up a score, guys trying to avoid getting dragged back in, and various other methods of stalling. The sport needs action and less controversy, IMO, and putting in a push-out, instead of the joke of a rule we currently have, would accomplish that.

My only issue with a push out rule would be how they handle top bottom. If a guy gets to his feet and is fighting to get away but the top guy just runs him out of bounds how do they score that? or a guy gets an escape right on the edge only to be pushed out. I like the push out rule in freestyle but they don't have the top bottom side of it to deal with so that would need addressed.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Strongly disagree. Watch freestyle. The push-out rule generates action and excitement. First of all, its main effect is to keep the action in the center. Action is action, whether it's in the center or on the edge. Also, though, the push-out adds excitement on the edge, because there's always the danger of giving up a score (or the converse -- the chance to score) whenever the action nears the edge. Last, the push-out rule eliminates the subjectivity of trying to determine if the guy circled in enough, whether he backed out or was pushed out, etc. It's black and white.

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "edge wrestling". IMO, "edge wrestling" is one of the worst things about the sport in its current form. It mainly involves guys diving out of bounds to avoid giving up a score, guys trying to avoid getting dragged back in, and various other methods of stalling. The sport needs action and less controversy, IMO, and putting in a push-out, instead of the joke of a rule we currently have, would accomplish that.

One of the many reasons that the majority of high level wrestlers prefer freestyle over folk.

 

[JohnBasedow]

My only issue with a push out rule would be how they handle top bottom. If a guy gets to his feet and is fighting to get away but the top guy just runs him out of bounds how do they score that? or a guy gets an escape right on the edge only to be pushed out. I like the push out rule in freestyle but they don't have the top bottom side of it to deal with so that would need addressed.

It would only apply in neutral.

 

[snotknockerhawk]

My only issue with a push out rule would be how they handle top bottom. If a guy gets to his feet and is fighting to get away but the top guy just runs him out of bounds how do they score that? or a guy gets an escape right on the edge only to be pushed out. I like the push out rule in freestyle but they don't have the top bottom side of it to deal with so that would need addressed.

It would not be enforced in that situation. Just when both wrestlers are neutral.

 

[Gink]

 

[jvclark]

Low IQ wrestling...it's unreal they can't learn to backup. You'd think the Daniel Dennis scar would be permanently ingrained.

Booooo. That should never be brought up again! . It still breaks my heart.

 

[BCRoss89]

In the last minute of Meyer's match vs Jordan, Jordan backed straight off the mat out of bounds.

With the new rule implemented two years ago this is supposed to be an automatic stall call. It's not a subjective stalling call.

This would have given Alex Meyer a point later in the match, since Jordan had another stalling call in the last 20 seconds.

The match would have gone to overtime.

I don't know how the ref missed that call, since it was blatantly obvious.

Better question, How did Brands miss it?

Compared to a coaches challenge on a split second Chin Strap assisted take down...ending up flipping the match in PSU's favor. Just saying.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Better question, How did Brands miss it?

Compared to a coaches challenge on a split second Chin Strap assisted take down...ending up flipping the match in PSU's favor. Just saying.

That call looked like baloney to me. From our seats, it didn't look like anything having to do with the headgear had anything to do with the takedown. Credit to the PSU coaches for noticing, but to take a takedown off the board on that basis seems really messed up to me.

 

[Omahahawk86]

That call looked like baloney to me. From our seats, it didn't look like anything having to do with the headgear had anything to do with the takedown. Credit to the PSU coaches for noticing, but to take a takedown off the board on that basis seems really messed up to me.

He grabbed it. It was on video. Kudos to Cael. What's even more idiotic is that they have to wear head gear in the first place. That clears the whole issue up.

I think Zahid wins that match 9/10 times.