America is not morally superior to Russia..

[NoleATL]

So says Spence... At least he won't say it is.

Mike Pence Backs Trump’s Praise Of “Killer” Putin, Won’t Say America Is Morally Superior To Russia [VIDEO]
February 5, 2017 News, Politics


Mediaite reports:

During an interview with CBS’s Face the Nation, Vice President Mike Pence dodged several times when asked if he thought the United States was morally superior to Russia. Pence denied Sunday that President Donald Trump‘s comments in an upcoming interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly defending Putin and saying America wasn’t that innocent represented “morally equivalency.”

“What you heard there was a determination to attempt to deal with the world as it is,” Pence said. “Let’s start afresh with Putin, and start afresh with Russia.” “Do you think America is morally superior to Russia?” asked host John Dickerson. Pence gave a long response that avoided answering the question.

“What we have in this new president is someone who is willing to engage the world, including Russia, and saying where can we find common interests that will advance the security of the American people, the peace and prosperity of the world, and he is determined to come at that in a new and renewed way.”

 

[Tom Paris]

I honestly prefer Trump to Pence.

 

[soybean]

I honestly prefer Trump to Pence.

Ditto

 

[The_Joker13]

I don't think it's worth getting into an argument over who has more blood on their hands. I think we as Americans need to be honest with ourselves here, our military has done plenty of killing and been involved in plenty of nasty shit.

 

[dgordo]

 

[ScoutRefugee]

The U.S.A isn't morally superior to many nations but Russia might be one of them. Stalin is personally responsible for killing more Russians than Americans have killed Native Indians. That's a lot of people in a very short amount of time for ol' Joey.

 

[soybean]

What is it with all these Red Republicans aligning with Russia against the US?

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

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Out of context is out of context.

 

[dgordo]

Out of context is out of context.

 

[Nat Algren]

The U.S.A isn't morally superior to many nations but Russia might be one of them. Stalin is personally responsible for killing more Russians than Americans have killed Native Indians. That's a lot of people in a very short amount of time for ol' Joey.

Has Obama or Putin killed more? Who dropped more bombs last year between those 2?

 

[soybean]

Has Obama or Putin killed more? Who dropped more bombs last year between those 2?

Terrorists or Journalists?

 

[mnole03]

Russia literally has slave labor camps.

 

[Nat Algren]

Russia literally has slave labor camps.

America incarcerates more. While in jail, they make jeans and license plates.

 

[HROT]

Russia literally has slave labor camps.

"Job creators..." - new GOP

 

[Nat Algren]

Terrorists or Journalists?

Civilians.

 

[HROT]

Btw the deflection is sad.

 

[joelbc1]

The USA is morally superior to Russia.....to think otherwise is foolish.

 

[naturalmwa]

The USA is morally superior to Russia.....to think otherwise is foolish.

Not any more. The deplorables voted that away.

 

[Jan Itor]

So says Spence... At least he won't say it is.

Mike Pence Backs Trump’s Praise Of “Killer” Putin, Won’t Say America Is Morally Superior To Russia [VIDEO]
February 5, 2017 News, Politics


Mediaite reports:

During an interview with CBS’s Face the Nation, Vice President Mike Pence dodged several times when asked if he thought the United States was morally superior to Russia. Pence denied Sunday that President Donald Trump‘s comments in an upcoming interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly defending Putin and saying America wasn’t that innocent represented “morally equivalency.”

“What you heard there was a determination to attempt to deal with the world as it is,” Pence said. “Let’s start afresh with Putin, and start afresh with Russia.” “Do you think America is morally superior to Russia?” asked host John Dickerson. Pence gave a long response that avoided answering the question.

“What we have in this new president is someone who is willing to engage the world, including Russia, and saying where can we find common interests that will advance the security of the American people, the peace and prosperity of the world, and he is determined to come at that in a new and renewed way.”

How many civilians did we kill in that mistake of a war in Iraq? How many civilians have we killed all over the world that we call acceptable during drone attacks?

I don't know between us and Russia? But we've murdered a lot of innocent people.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

Terrorists or Journalists?

How about innocent bystanders? Suddenly collateral damage and mistaken targets have ceased to exist for the last 8 years?

 

[Jan Itor]

Terrorists or Journalists?

While killing those terrorists, we killed civilians too.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

The USA is morally superior to Russia.....to think otherwise is foolish.[/QUOTE


In what way? When i look globally, I'd say it's a push in how we act on how our policies effect the world.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

Not any more. The deplorables voted that away.

It wasn't before. See Syria, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan.......and again in Iraq.

 

[The_Joker13]

The USA is morally superior to Russia.....to think otherwise is foolish.

That isn't exactly setting the bar very high.

 

[HROT]

So let's layout this GOP modus operandi.

* Lambast Obama for not agreeing with Romney saying Russia biggest geopolitical threat

In 4 years, Russian faction shoots down a civilian airliner, hacks US election and now Russia is morale equivalent.

Excuse my morals but go to hell...

 

[mnole03]

America incarcerates more. While in jail, they make jeans and license plates.

I'm not talking incarceration. They pay North Korea to use "guest workers" in their lumber industry.

 

[NoleATL]

How many civilians did we kill in that mistake of a war in Iraq?

That was the GOP's fault... now GOP = Russia, the rest of America is superior.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

So let's layout this GOP modus operandi.

* Lambast Obama for not agreeing with Romney saying Russia biggest geopolitical threat

In 4 years, Russian faction shoots down a civilian airliner, hacks US election and now Russia is morale equivalent.

Excuse my morals but go to hell...

Political party has nothing to do with it for me.

How many Gov'ts have we deposed in the last 70 years and placed our own brand of tyrant? How many elections have we f*cked with since WWII? In the 80's we shot down and Iranian airliner during the Iran/Iraq war........the Bay of Pigs......our actions in Central America......The Drug War..........

But to catch up with the last 8 years......The Arab Spring........the overthrow of Khadafi.........the flaming of the Syrian conflict(WE inflamed it).........Drone strikes on civilian populations. The bombing of Somalia, Sudan, Yemen.........

NO concrete proof has been presented that Russia hacked the election. Not only that, but it's mathematically impossible to hack the Electoral College.
Obama deserves to be lambasted for his spineless approach with Russia.

 

[Vroom_C14]

I don't think it's worth getting into an argument over who has more blood on their hands. I think we as Americans need to be honest with ourselves here, our military has done plenty of killing and been involved in plenty of nasty shit.

It takes a certain mindset to do what our military does, probably why only 1% "volunteer".

 

[Nat Algren]

I'm not talking incarceration. They pay North Korea to use "guest workers" in their lumber industry.

Semantics

 

[joelbc1]

That was the GOP's fault... now GOP = Russia, the rest of America is superior.

BINGfriggin'O!

It takes a certain mindset to do what our military does, probably why only 1% "volunteer".

And it is the 1% that has the least to gain.....

 

[Nat Algren]

It takes a certain mindset to do what our military does, probably why only 1% "volunteer".

That...and this. More this:

Einstein on militarism:


“ This topic brings me to that worst outcrop of the herd nature, the military system, which I abhor. That a man can take pleasure in marching in formation to the strains of a band is enough to make me despise him. He has only been given his big brain by mistake; a backbone was all he needed. This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism by order, senseless violence, and all the pestilent nonsense that does by the name of patriotism — how I hate them! War seems to me a mean, contemptible thing: I would rather be hacked in pieces than take part in such an abominable business. And yet so high, in spite of everything, is my opinion of the human race that I believe this bogey would have disappeared long ago, had the sound sense of the nations not been systematically corrupted by commercial and political interests acting through the schools and the Press.”




“…War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today…” — John F. Kennedy

 

[Nat Algren]

BINGfriggin'O!

And it is the 1% that has the least to gain.....

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."



--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

 

[Nat Algren]

The USA is morally superior to Russia.....to think otherwise is foolish.

Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far. Arrests are when now?
Posted on May 17, 2014 by Carl Herman
hat tip: Washington’s Blog and David Swanson

People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country. The data confirm this conclusion:

• Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.
• These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.
• The US has war-murdered more than Hitler’s Nazis.
• US official reports now confirm all “reasons” the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.
• These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently).
• US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder.

The categories of crime for armed attacks outside US treaty limits of law are:

1. Wars of Aggression (the worst crime a nation can commit),
2. likely treason for lying to US military, ordering unlawful attack and invasions of foreign lands, and causing thousands of US military deaths.

Americans can demand arrests of its “leaders” for such Emperor’s New Clothes-like obvious crimes, refuse any orders to unlawful wars, and participate as they see best with like-minded allies.

One option with three talking points is the 2014 Worldwide Wave of Action (and here), begun on the April 4 anniversary of Martin King’s assassination by the US government (civil court trial verdict) and completing ~July 4 (Martin’ 2-minute plea to you).

Purpose of this operation:

• Expose 1% oligarchs in the US and elsewhere as OBVIOUS criminals centering in war, money, and media (also in ~100 other crucial areas).
• Cause their surrender through arrests or Truth & Reconciliation.
• Initiate true freedom for all Earth’s inhabitants to explore ready breakthroughs in economics (links here) and technology, and discover what it is to be human without psychopathic criminals who joke about killing millions, harming billions, and looting trillions.

The good news is that victory, when it comes, will come in a relative instant. We have solutions ready to roll:

3 policy proposals after we win: Unfu*k the world, Employ existing solutions, Explore breakthroughs

After we win: 3 education policy proposals: Truth/facts, Love/community, Lifelong virtue

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...01-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html

 

[joelbc1]

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."



--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Only if you listen to the bullshit, Nat.

 

[Vroom_C14]

"Started" is subject. We usually interject, but if started makes people feel better than use it. The world looks to the US to end conflicts or step in at every whip stitch when humanity has lost itself, again the US soldiers does things many others have nightmares of or pays 10.00 to see in the theater.

War is ugly.

 

[preshlock]

Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far. Arrests are when now?
Posted on May 17, 2014 by Carl Herman
hat tip: Washington’s Blog and David Swanson

People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country. The data confirm this conclusion:

• Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.
• These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.
• The US has war-murdered more than Hitler’s Nazis.
• US official reports now confirm all “reasons” the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.
• These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently).
• US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder.

The categories of crime for armed attacks outside US treaty limits of law are:

1. Wars of Aggression (the worst crime a nation can commit),
2. likely treason for lying to US military, ordering unlawful attack and invasions of foreign lands, and causing thousands of US military deaths.

Americans can demand arrests of its “leaders” for such Emperor’s New Clothes-like obvious crimes, refuse any orders to unlawful wars, and participate as they see best with like-minded allies.

One option with three talking points is the 2014 Worldwide Wave of Action (and here), begun on the April 4 anniversary of Martin King’s assassination by the US government (civil court trial verdict) and completing ~July 4 (Martin’ 2-minute plea to you).

Purpose of this operation:

• Expose 1% oligarchs in the US and elsewhere as OBVIOUS criminals centering in war, money, and media (also in ~100 other crucial areas).
• Cause their surrender through arrests or Truth & Reconciliation.
• Initiate true freedom for all Earth’s inhabitants to explore ready breakthroughs in economics (links here) and technology, and discover what it is to be human without psychopathic criminals who joke about killing millions, harming billions, and looting trillions.

The good news is that victory, when it comes, will come in a relative instant. We have solutions ready to roll:

3 policy proposals after we win: Unfu*k the world, Employ existing solutions, Explore breakthroughs

After we win: 3 education policy proposals: Truth/facts, Love/community, Lifelong virtue

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...01-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html

I'm pretty sure there have been a lot more than 47 armed conflicts not started by the US since 1945.

Would like to see that list on how we got to 201 and the rest of the world is only at 47.

 

[preshlock]

First Arab Israeli War
Indochina War
The 1956 War
The Six Day War
Yom Kippur War
War in Algeria
Between 1945 and 1968 British armed forces fought in 12 conflicts, mostly in former Empire, without the United States
Between 1945 and 1968 French armed forces fought in 6 conflicts, mostly in former Empire, without the United States
Civil War in Northern Ireland
Angolan War of Independence
Portuguese Guiana War of Independence
Mozambique War of Independence
Portuguese Invasion of Guinea
Soviet Intervention in Azerbaijan
Chinese-Soviet Border Conflict
Soviet Suppression of Hungarian Revolt
Soviet Intervention in Prague
Greek Civil War
First Cyprus War
Second Cyprus War
Yemeni Civil War
Palestinian-Lebanon Clashes
Iraqi Iranian Border Clashes
Iran-Iraq War
Jordan-Syrian Border Clash
Kashmir Dispute
Indian Occupation of Hyderabad
Indian-Chinese Border Clash
Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
Indo-Pakistani War of 1999 {could actually apply these to several conflicts but because they are so well known I included them}

48 wars after 1945 not directly involving the United States. There are another 170 pages outlining wars the United States did not directly participate in.

 

[HROT]

Did we count the 'War' on Christmas?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

So says Spence... At least he won't say it is.

Mike Pence Backs Trump’s Praise Of “Killer” Putin, Won’t Say America Is Morally Superior To Russia [VIDEO]
February 5, 2017 News, Politics


Mediaite reports:

During an interview with CBS’s Face the Nation, Vice President Mike Pence dodged several times when asked if he thought the United States was morally superior to Russia. Pence denied Sunday that President Donald Trump‘s comments in an upcoming interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly defending Putin and saying America wasn’t that innocent represented “morally equivalency.”

“What you heard there was a determination to attempt to deal with the world as it is,” Pence said. “Let’s start afresh with Putin, and start afresh with Russia.” “Do you think America is morally superior to Russia?” asked host John Dickerson. Pence gave a long response that avoided answering the question.

“What we have in this new president is someone who is willing to engage the world, including Russia, and saying where can we find common interests that will advance the security of the American people, the peace and prosperity of the world, and he is determined to come at that in a new and renewed way.”

He's right, we've been invading, occupying and killing since WW1.