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An excellent article/letter to the national media floating around

Whether you like it or not...the article has done exactly what it was designed to.

Herbie has linked it:

https://twitter.com/KirkHerbstreit

And Herbie is talking a lot about the Hawks now.

He has been talking about the Hawks since after the NW game.

The article was spot on. But I think Herbstriet was unfairly targeted. He acknowledged after the NW game that he was wrong about the Hawkeyes and can see them going undefeated into the BIG Championship game and a playoff contender. He thinks the Hawks are the real deal.

Herbie is one of the good ones, and not many personalities will admit when they are wrong. Herbie did and Iowa fans should cut him some slack.
 
Its not whether or not they are talking about Iowa, it is how they are talking about Iowa. The narrative keeps changing as the season goes on so that it fits with their preseason expectations. Michigan destroys NW and the conversation is "Michigan is dominant", Iowa beats NW on the road with several key injuries the narrative changes "NW is not very good"....not only did we beat NW, but we dominated them far more statistically than Michigan. All of a sudden their victory against Stanford does not mean anything? How the hell is a one loss Stanford ranked ahead of us with common opponent in which we beat is their only loss. The rankings now are solely predicated on their precious preseason rating, they base their rankings on how good they thought the teams would be instead of how good the teams actually are. I understand being underrated early in the season, but by week 8 this preseason garbage should just be thrown out. The article is spot on b/c the only reason they are now talking about Iowa is because the team has forced them too. So now they are trying to devalue Iowa's current status based on a perceived strength of schedule (as opposed to actual strength at this point) and to make matters worse all they can talk about is the remaining portion of our schedule instead of our current body of work. Rankings should be based solely on what a team has done with the games they have played to this point, not based on if they are the winning-est program, had a good year last year, a bad year last year, and certainly should not be based on a teams remaining schedule. ....say what you want, but this could very well be a much bigger deal than you think if in fact Iowa takes care of their business. The article is not whining at all, IMO. If you throw the team names out and conference affiliation out and preseason predictions out and look solely at the body of work to this point and look only at those facts Iowa would be ranked much much much higher (Probably in the top 7 maybe higher) Those are facts that you can not argue
Wow you really are a huge crybaby in pretty much every discussion. If we keep winning, we will keep moving up. We are ranked where we should be. What more do you want, other than national pundits to talk more than they already are (cite what others have said in this article about Herbstreit, etc?) Miller's article was lame and whiny (which is probably why you relate so much.)
 
Facts or not, Iowa hasn't deserved to be in the National spotlight for a long time now.

This year they are doing great, yet there are a lot of teams doing great and many of them are teams that attract a much bigger national audience, or they have been much more consistently producing results on the field.

If Iowa loses a game in which they are favored in the next few weeks, what difference does it make if they are 12 or 7 right now? Iowa has a great great opportunity in front of them and listening to B Griese or Steve Levy do an Iowa game having done almost no prep-work, while annoying, shouldn't be all that surprising.

Just win out. It will take care of itself.
You see this is the exact problem, you cannot base this season based on past season or preseason expectations. You also should not base rankings based on and catered to which team has a bigger audience. Since Alabama was really good the last 3 years their 2 lose team should be placed ahead of other 1 loss teams at seasons end, hell most of the players from "year past" are not even on either of these teams. Or maybe since Michigan has more of a national audience their win over NW is more impressive than ours. When Stanford beat USC they were ranked very high, now they are a shitty 3-3 team. They look at where the team was ranked when beaten and what is that based on, stupid preseason polls/expectations. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just some Joe Shmoe talking about power rankings or something, but these are the AP and Coaches Polls which determines a teams fate at seasons end. Now that Iowa is in the picture they are attempting to devalue our product so that they can do exactly what you are asking for: base the end of the year bowl placement on past success and cater to a larger audience.....that is BS
 
Wow you really are a huge crybaby in pretty much every discussion. If we keep winning, we will keep moving up. We are ranked where we should be. What more do you want, other than national pundits to talk more than they already are (cite what others have said in this article about Herbstreit, etc?) Miller's article was lame and whiny (which is probably why you relate so much.)
Is that what your inside source told you? Read my previous post (my serious one above the one joking about you) and tell me if you can argue anything that I wrote?!?!?!
 
Wow you really are a huge crybaby in pretty much every discussion. If we keep winning, we will keep moving up. We are ranked where we should be. What more do you want, other than national pundits to talk more than they already are (cite what others have said in this article about Herbstreit, etc?) Miller's article was lame and whiny (which is probably why you relate so much.)
Ok what part of my post do you disagree with? Honestly, which part?!?! Instead of attacking me, tell me first where it is I am whining, secondly tell me what you disagree with?!?!
 
Honestly, it came across a little childish.

I agree. That article looked like something that would have been written by the Temple or Memphis fan base. Maybe the national media isn't quite taking Iowa seriously, but keep winning and they will have to. No need for the "but look what we did and they didn't" type of rant - that should be reserved for message boards like this. We're in the Big Ten - act like it.
 
Like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Have announcers on Iowa game put in too little work and got basic information incorrect? Yes. Iowa certainly didn't get blown out against LSU, and Iowa doesn't only have good years when they have an easy schedule Griese. Have some of the national media unfairly belittled Iowa and its schedule? Of course. Does ESPN have a bias against conferences not known as the SEC. Yes.

But nobody was mocking Iowa in 2005 or 06; 3 great years made that tick-tack stuff disappear. I wish we didn't have to deal with it because most of it isn't true, but it is the perception, and sometimes perception is reality -- particularly when you are a 17 year old kid watching ESPN -- and I think that hurts Iowa in recruiting.

Just keep winning boys and this could be a magic year like 81, 85, 90, 91, 02, 03, 04, or 09.
 
Ok what part of my post do you disagree with? Honestly, which part?!?! Instead of attacking me, tell me first where it is I am whining, secondly tell me what you disagree with?!?!
I remember when I said this exact same thing to you when you were pitching a fit in the Tyler Sash thread. And all I got was more red-faced screaming from you. I don't see the disrespect you are seeing at this point in the season. We are freaking ranked 12th and 13th after not getting a single vote when the season started. This is clearly the most important point here.
 
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milehigh-who specifically said this? Could you provide a link?

Michigan destroys NW and the conversation is "Michigan is dominant", Iowa beats NW on the road with several key injuries the narrative changes "NW is not very good"
 
You see this is the exact problem, you cannot base this season based on past season or preseason expectations. You also should not base rankings based on and catered to which team has a bigger audience. Since Alabama was really good the last 3 years their 2 lose team should be placed ahead of other 1 loss teams at seasons end, hell most of the players from "year past" are not even on either of these teams. Or maybe since Michigan has more of a national audience their win over NW is more impressive than ours. When Stanford beat USC they were ranked very high, now they are a shitty 3-3 team. They look at where the team was ranked when beaten and what is that based on, stupid preseason polls/expectations. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just some Joe Shmoe talking about power rankings or something, but these are the AP and Coaches Polls which determines a teams fate at seasons end. Now that Iowa is in the picture they are attempting to devalue our product so that they can do exactly what you are asking for: base the end of the year bowl placement on past success and cater to a larger audience.....that is BS


Over the last 15 years, there have been numerous years where Iowa was afforded a very high preseason ranking based on the previous year. Like in 2010. This happens every year. As you also note the AP and Coaches polls determine a teams fate at seasons end. that is 5 or 6 games from now. In other words, it is a ton of football.

Iowa is 7-0 and ranked 12th in the country. That is great for where this team was slotted to fare. This is just how the whole game works. Or as Coach Kirk says, that's football..

Almost everyone on this board knows we have a very easy schedule. RELATIVELY. It is all relative. Like ranking teams pre-season. Many have talked at length- ad nauseum- about how Iowa needs to win this year, given how easy the schedule is. All that said, so far I think Iowa has some great wins - for IOWA. Clearly not everyone wants to vault them higher.

I think Iowa can win every game on the schedule from here. I bet the coaches and players do as well and that is all that matters.
 
milehigh-who specifically said this? Could you provide a link?

Michigan destroys NW and the conversation is "Michigan is dominant", Iowa beats NW on the road with several key injuries the narrative changes "NW is not very good"
Did you watch any sporting networks at all last week? It was Michigan this, Michigan that....Iowa dominates and it is like wow look at Iowa's schedule
 
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You see this is the exact problem, you cannot base this season based on past season or preseason expectations. You also should not base rankings based on and catered to which team has a bigger audience. Since Alabama was really good the last 3 years their 2 lose team should be placed ahead of other 1 loss teams at seasons end, hell most of the players from "year past" are not even on either of these teams. Or maybe since Michigan has more of a national audience their win over NW is more impressive than ours. When Stanford beat USC they were ranked very high, now they are a shitty 3-3 team. They look at where the team was ranked when beaten and what is that based on, stupid preseason polls/expectations. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just some Joe Shmoe talking about power rankings or something, but these are the AP and Coaches Polls which determines a teams fate at seasons end. Now that Iowa is in the picture they are attempting to devalue our product so that they can do exactly what you are asking for: base the end of the year bowl placement on past success and cater to a larger audience.....that is BS

I thought a committee picked the four teams?
 
Over the last 15 years, there have been numerous years where Iowa was afforded a very high preseason ranking based on the previous year. Like in 2010. This happens every year. As you also note the AP and Coaches polls determine a teams fate at seasons end. that is 5 or 6 games from now. In other words, it is a ton of football.

Iowa is 7-0 and ranked 12th in the country. That is great for where this team was slotted to fare. This is just how the whole game works. Or as Coach Kirk says, that's football..

Almost everyone on this board knows we have a very easy schedule. RELATIVELY. It is all relative. Like ranking teams pre-season. Many have talked at length- ad nauseum- about how Iowa needs to win this year, given how easy the schedule is. All that said, so far I think Iowa has some great wins - for IOWA. Clearly not everyone wants to vault them higher.

I think Iowa can win every game on the schedule from here. I bet the coaches and players do as well and that is all that matters.
I can not argue with you and I agree, but you are just furthering my point. We felt Iowa should win many games because of our preseason perception of these teams (not the actual reality of how good the teams are). From a perception standpoint, yes Iowa is sitting very well from what outsiders perceived how good we would be this year. I also understand that there is a ton of football left, but they are already trying to make "excuses" why Iowa is doing so well, do you really think that is going to change when the playoff discussion starts? All I am saying is that if you took names, conference affiliation, and preseason hype out of the equation and looked at resumes Iowa would/should be ranked higher. Long story short, AP and Coaches should not have a preseason poll b/c if a team beat USC week 1 when they are ranked higher than they should be it vaults said team up the rankings without any justification other than perceived expectations, if you beat USC now unranked and 3-3 not so much....all because of preseason rankings.
 
Did you watch any sporting networks at all last week? It was Michigan this, Michigan that....Iowa dominates and it is like wow look at Iowa's schedule
Who, specifically, said those things?

And it all boils down to this-if Iowa wins out we will be in the playoffs. If we lose one, there's a good chance at the Rose Bowl. It's hard to disrespect that.
 
I can not argue with you and I agree, but you are just furthering my point. We felt Iowa should win many games because of our preseason perception of these teams (not the actual reality of how good the teams are). From a perception standpoint, yes Iowa is sitting very well from what outsiders perceived how good we would be this year. I also understand that there is a ton of football left, but they are already trying to make "excuses" why Iowa is doing so well, do you really think that is going to change when the playoff discussion starts? All I am saying is that if you took names, conference affiliation, and preseason hype out of the equation and looked at resumes Iowa would/should be ranked higher. Long story short, AP and Coaches should not have a preseason poll b/c if a team beat USC week 1 when they are ranked higher than they should be it vaults said team up the rankings without any justification other than perceived expectations, if you beat USC now unranked and 3-3 not so much....all because of preseason rankings.

It is an old and tired process. I would bet that they networks would throw a fit if there were no longer pre-season polls. Its the media's way of drawing in interest as early as possible. They love using the rankings to sell the games.
 
It is an old and tired process. I would bet that they networks would throw a fit if there were no longer pre-season polls. Its the media's way of drawing in interest as early as possible. They love using the rankings to sell the games.
Totally agree, I understand why they do....but at the same time that is the problem with this whole process. Here is preseason poll

1 Ohio State(61) 0-0 1525 —
2 TCU 0-0 1428 —
3 Alabama 0-0 1322 —
4 Baylor 0-0 1263 —
5 Michigan State 0-0 1256 —
6 Auburn 0-0 1192 —
7 Oregon 0-0 1156 —
8 USC 0-0 1085 —
9 Georgia 0-0 991 —

10 Florida State 0-0 959 —
11 Notre Dame 0-0 873 —
12 Clemson 0-0 862 —
13 UCLA 0-0 698 —
14 LSU 0-0 675 —
15 Arizona State 0-0 605 —
16 Georgia Tech 0-0 588 —
17 Ole Miss 0-0 563 —
18 Arkansas 0-0 410 —
19 Oklahoma 0-0 394 —

20 Wisconsin 0-0 393 —
21 Stanford 0-0 347 —
22 Arizona 0-0 311 —
23 Boise State 0-0 240 —
24 Missouri 0-0 219 —
25 Tennessee
 
Check out the computer rankings, they are unbiased (not perfect, but unbiased) and it looks much better....Iowa at #9 5 spots ahead of Stanford and 3 spots ahead of FSU.....only one team who has a loss ahead of us, Alabama. Which I am OK with
 
The reality is that ONE of the Power 5 teams is going to be left off the postseason playoff bus.

At this stage, it's a good bet that even a 1-loss SEC champion team is deserving of a spot (that still IS a pretty tough conference top to bottom). I doubt a 1-loss Big10, Pac12, Big12 or ACC team would displace an undefeated team from any of the other Power 5.

If we have undefeated teams as champions from the Big10, Big12, Pac12 and ACC AND a 1-loss 'Alabama' or other SEC team, I think it will be a mess.

Thus, if Iowa is able to 'win out' and beat the West division representative in the B10 title game, the only way we'd be denied an invite to the playoffs is if the B12, Pac12 and ACC all have undefeated champs as well. Then it would fall to the computers....
 
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Good post. That article was cringe-worthy, especially at this point in the season. They are ranked where they should be at this point, and are getting the proper amount of respect for their position. This tired argument of Iowa's lack of respect is way past expiration.

Hey, off topic, but why didn't you let us know that Tavuan Smith was going to play Saturday? I'm sure your sources told you by Friday night.
 
The only way we are kept out if we win out is if the team from the East has multiple losses. If we beat a three-loss Ohio State or Michigan State, I think a one-loss Alabama jumps us for a spot, even if we are undefeated.
 
Check out the computer rankings, they are unbiased (not perfect, but unbiased) and it looks much better....Iowa at #9 5 spots ahead of Stanford and 3 spots ahead of FSU.....only one team who has a loss ahead of us, Alabama. Which I am OK with

This. Take the media (and Hawkeye haters) bias out of the equation and there you go: Top Ten.
 
What's really cringeworthy is SP using the term "we" when talking about the Hawks. I know every fan base has their dolts, but this really hurts.
 
Embarrassing article. Small-minded. downnright juvenile. Let's let the season play out before anyone starts whining about anything.

Pretty much. The longer the winning streak goes, the brighter the spotlight and the bigger the bullseye becomes. Iowa is 7-0, the national attention is starting to point at Iowa City. By the time Iowa even plays again, they could be in the top 10.
 
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Pretty much. The longer the winning streak goes, the brighter the spotlight and the bigger the bullseye becomes. Iowa is 7-0, the national attention is starting to point at Iowa City. By the time Iowa even plays again, they could be in the top 10.
I guess I am not seeing why it is embarrassing, agree to disagree I guess....to me it is simply shedding light on the absolute truth and bias that is involved with preseason rankings, media perception leading to poll results, and things of that nature. Is it a huge deal a this point of the season, no it is not. But by seasons end it could very well come back to bite us in the butt, unfairly. I mean if we go 13-0 and do not go to the playoffs because of these exact problems that are being discussed I am pretty certain you will change your tune.....did FSU, Stanford, Baylor, TCU, etc play a tougher schedule in reality or just in perception.....should this years team be punished for lackluster performances in the past, should other teams be rewarded because they play for a team that was a power house 15 years ago, or even last year? I thought the article did a nice job bringing in factual data that tells the story of right now as opposed to preseason expectations and what is to come down the road......
 
Good post. That article was cringe-worthy, especially at this point in the season. They are ranked where they should be at this point, and are getting the proper amount of respect for their position. This tired argument of Iowa's lack of respect is way past expiration.

Predictable post.
 
I guess I am not seeing why it is embarrassing, agree to disagree I guess....to me it is simply shedding light on the absolute truth and bias that is involved with preseason rankings, media perception leading to poll results, and things of that nature. Is it a huge deal a this point of the season, no it is not. But by seasons end it could very well come back to bite us in the butt, unfairly. I mean if we go 13-0 and do not go to the playoffs because of these exact problems that are being discussed I am pretty certain you will change your tune.....did FSU, Stanford, Baylor, TCU, etc play a tougher schedule in reality or just in perception.....should this years team be punished for lackluster performances in the past, should other teams be rewarded because they play for a team that was a power house 15 years ago, or even last year? I thought the article did a nice job bringing in factual data that tells the story of right now as opposed to preseason expectations and what is to come down the road......


I get that. It just feels like Miller is begging for national attention. The attention is coming and the longer this goes the more it comes, evidenced by an Iowa/Maryland game set for 230 ABC in a few weeks. We saw in 09 the media attention that came with 9-0, the same will happen this year if Iowa gets there or beyond that. Also, IF Iowa goes 13-0, they will be in the playoff.
 
And written by a guy who picked Northwestern over Iowa. But a good read. Isn't it about time for Jim Rome to go on an anti Iowa rant? And if so would anybody listen?

Anybody who listened to that idiot Jim Rome would be somebody whose opinion I don't care about!!
 
fact is, if Iowa wants respect from the national talking heads, they have to come out and finish the year ranked next year and likely the following year. they can't crumble and fall apart when we have a good season or two and we start getting the respect (with the expectations that come with it0
 
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Personally I think we let the Rock handle all interviews



plus they'd be entertaining as all hell you jambroni.
 
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I get that. It just feels like Miller is begging for national attention. The attention is coming and the longer this goes the more it comes, evidenced by an Iowa/Maryland game set for 230 ABC in a few weeks. We saw in 09 the media attention that came with 9-0, the same will happen this year if Iowa gets there or beyond that. Also, IF Iowa goes 13-0, they will be in the playoff.
If Utah, FSU, Baylor or TCU goes undefeated we will not, SEC you know will get one in even with one loss....oh and do not forget about Norte dame.....it is far from a lock....but I'll take that problem if it comes to it
 
If Utah, FSU, Baylor or TCU goes undefeated we will not, SEC you know will get one in even with one loss....oh and do not forget about Norte dame.....it is far from a lock....but I'll take that problem if it comes to it

Delany would literally take the committee hostage Die Hard style and start shooting members until they agreed to put Iowa in.
 
I agree that Iowa should probably be ranked a few spots higher, but this article is very Cyclone-esque. Keep winning and the National media will be forced to look into Iowa's success a little more closely.
 
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