Nice video (hope you ran that by Joe first; he generally doesn’t approve) but it completely missed the mark.
In this country, the needs ($$$) of the few (<10 corporations) outweigh the needs of the many.
An unvaccinated student infected 21 others with measles at a yeshiva in Brooklyn.
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In this country, the needs ($$$) of the few (<10 corporations) outweigh the needs of the many.
Protip: His video wasn't attempting to convey any "science". Your fake "science" videos do exactly that.
Refresh my memory here but weren’t you totally and repeatedly owned (
) by Joe in previous vac threads for using British data to demonstrate the dangers of vaccines to kids in the U.S.?So what are they doing now but putting out the same, rehashed MMR data from Denmark to show how safe vaccines are in America. No hypocrisy there, huh?
And this isn’t some shitty, double-blind, peer reviewed science we’re talking about. This is the good stuff: cohort studies (which is Latin for “we give you the money and the conclusion we desire, you cook the numbers”).
And this isn’t some shitty, double-blind, peer reviewed science we’re talking about. This is the good stuff: cohort studies (which is Latin for “we give you the money and the conclusion we desire, you cook the numbers”).
Each time you post all you do is clarify how much you actually know concerning science (specifically medical studies).
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No, it's a new study, of kids they started following in ~1999.
It's not "rehashed" like most of your "autism Youtube videos".
Um no, that study was absolutely crushed by the information in the vid and the article. If not, then try countering the actual information for once. The fact that any given info is in oral communication form is not going to get you off the hook.EDIT: The Antivaxxers pretty much steered clear of that one.....almost like it would "infect" them with actual "knowledge"....
Also, Spock says it's not logical to use that quote in the vaccine discussion without first knowing costs vs benefits.
Well, considering that Big Pharma doesn't make shit off of vaccines and the benefits are off the charts, I think vaccines are more than cost beneficial.
Hell, if Big Pharma really wanted to pull in the big bucks, they would have never invented them to start........a good hospital stay from the measles pulls in the BIG BUCKS.
Information in a "vid" that likely predated the study itself?
Wow...did the vid include the flux capacitor that enabled them to do that?
Would you like to tell the truth about Hannah Poling or are you just a lying sack of horse shit like nbh?So far, in exchange for having their daughter’s life destroyed by vaccines, the family of Hannah Poling has received more than $5,000,000 in compensation.
Is that more than 800,000, or not?
Oh, that’s right. You don’t give two shits about children maimed or killed by ‘science.’
Yep. $800k for that tetanus infection, that might've earned them $2 off the vaccine.
Numbers don't add up, but that don't stop the stupid.
We know the costs vs benefits.
$800k vs $2 for tetanus. Now add up the rest of 'em.
Wow, I'd never read up on that..........interesting. And yeah, he was stretching things there.......stretching them far.
Clearly, @shank hawk is a lying sack of horse shit, as he's made no attempt to clarify his post. Plenty of opportunity.
It’s theoretically possible that a vaccine induced fever triggered her condition - and that's all that has to be demonstrated to win an award from the science averse vax-court. The irony is that any childhood fever could...and likely would...have triggered her encephalopathy and subsequent ASD diagnosis. Had her family been anti-vaxxers, the Polings would have collected zip...and still had an autistic child.
Check out this beauty. Might help with the benefits side of the equation.Awwww, someone’s feeling triggered.
#MedicalFraud #FearBasedMarketing
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...Opj2mCk-nQ9eCSsj_qtzu0yCLGqo6-7QmjZbAVKj3nW7w
Interesting chart:
Check out this beauty. Might help with the benefits side of the equation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...Opj2mCk-nQ9eCSsj_qtzu0yCLGqo6-7QmjZbAVKj3nW7w
Interesting chart:
This might be the most idiotic thing that has ever been posted on here.
Nothing Like some choads (naturalbornhawk and shank hawk) believing everything on YouTube and disregarding a massive scientific study by actual scientists that has all the evidence needed to prove that vaccines don’t cause autism.
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Welcome back. Were you unaware of the truth in the Poling case? Did you know the truth and simply omit it in hopes no one would expose you? Are you calling for a reform of the Vax Court to preclude ridiculous judgements like those in the Poling case that have absolutely no basis in science?Awwww, someone’s feeling triggered.
#MedicalFraud #FearBasedMarketing
What exactly are you doing there? #lying? #stupidity?
Look at the data they were using (*cough* cherry-picked *cough*) and then look at who published it (Immunity Education Group).............also notice that they don't qualify "harm"
LMAO, what a terrible strawman.
"Interesting" as in lying out of your ass? I can't believe even a lying sack of shit such as yourself would post something this idiotic. But then...you never fail to deliver.Check out this beauty. Might help with the benefits side of the equation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...Opj2mCk-nQ9eCSsj_qtzu0yCLGqo6-7QmjZbAVKj3nW7w
Interesting chart:
You don't get to include all the people who never got polio, you worthless worm. Of those who ARE infected, the death rate is between three and five percent...that's 3-5 out of every hundred, you brainless toad. And HALF of those who survive develop permanent paralysis. Do the math you witless jackass...out of 100 infected, if two of them die, 49 more are paralyzed for the rest of their life. Nearly 14,000 Americans developed polio in the year the vaccine was introduced. There hasn't been a single domestic case since 1979. Not. One. Stuff your "chart" you know where.
And go tell your moronic parents to forgo the polio vaccine and, instead, have "polio parties" in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Nigeria since that natural immunity is so much better.
Back to ignore for you...and I would suggest everyone else do the same.
I thought about going that far, but had better things to do.
Do druggies pay their " own way " after they've chosen a life of getting high then living off the government, abandoning parental responsibilities and being a burden to the system ? I agree these people should bear the cost of their stupid decisions, let's just enforce the rules uniformly across the board.
I never said it was over the top
Are their drug habits contagious? And you are painting with a very broad brush also
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Italy made the right call and will now ban non-vaccinated children from their public schools. I'm hoping the American government wakes up and follows closely with the same decision.
Would expect nothing less from the birthplace of Mussolini.
Fascists gonna fascist.
Perhaps you should actually learn the definition of fascism
Lots of good resources in that article (and a few more I found):Check out this beauty. Might help with the benefits side of the equation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...Opj2mCk-nQ9eCSsj_qtzu0yCLGqo6-7QmjZbAVKj3nW7w
Interesting chart:
“Thus vaccination does not account for the impressive declines in mortality seen in the first half of the century…nearly 90% of the decline in infectious disease mortality among US children occurred before 1940, when few antibiotics or vaccine were available.” Published in September 2000 in the journal Pediatrics and titled, “Annual Summary of Vital Statistics: Trends in the Health of Americans During the 20th Century,” epidemiologists from both Johns Hopkins and the Centers for Disease Control reaffirmed what we had already learned from McKinlay and McKinlay: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11099582)
http://vaccinesafetycommission.org/pdfs/McKinlay 1977.pdf
Barratta et al. (1970) investigated an outbreak in Florida from December 1968 to February 1969 and found little difference in the incidence of measles in vaccinated and unvaccinated children. (source)
Robertson et al. (1992) wrote that in 1985 and 1986, 152 measles outbreaks in US school-age children occurred among persons who had previously received the measles vaccine. “Every 2-3 years, there is an upsurge of measles irrespective of vaccination compliance.” (source)
In 2010, there were a number of children in Croatia who had contracted measles that were fully vaccinated (source). The interesting thing about this case was the fact that not only had they become infected with measles from the vaccine strain, rather than the normal “natural” strain, but they were also contagious.
According to an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1987, “An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, in the spring of 1985, even though vaccination requirements for school attendance had been thoroughly enforced.” They concluded that “outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.” (source)
An article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled, “A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures,” looked into an outbreak of 137 cases of measles in Montana. School records indicated that 98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated, leading the researchers to conclude: “This outbreak suggests that measles transmission may persist in some settings despite appropriate implementation of the current measles elimination strategy.”(source)
According to an article published in the American Journal of Public Health in 1991, “In early 1988 an outbreak of 84 measles cases occurred at a college in Colorado in which over 98 percent of students had documentation of adequate measles immunity… due to an immunization requirement in effect since 1986. They concluded that “…measles outbreaks can occur among highly vaccinated college populations.” (source)
According to an article published in the Canadian Journal of Public Health in 1991, a 1989 measles outbreak was “largely attributed to an incomplete vaccination coverage,” but following an extensive review the researchers concluded that “incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.” (source)
According to an article published in the journal Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Medicina Tropical, in a measles outbreak from March 1991 to April 1992 in Rio de Janeiro, 76.4% of those suspected to be infected had received measles vaccine before their first birthday. (source)
According to an article published in the South African Medical Journal in 1994, “[In] August 1992 an outbreak occurred, with cases reported at many schools in children presumably immunised.” Immunization coverage for measles was found to be 91%, and vaccine efficacy found to be only 79%, leading them to conclude that primary and secondary vaccine failure was a possible explanation for the outbreak. (source)
It would be bad enough, nat, if this were just another money grab. But up to fifty million Americans are now suffering from autoimmune disorders and it's all on the profiteers and their fear based marketing, medical and scientific fraud and outright corruption. The American dream.
That's cuz of the invention of the "iron lung", which saved polio victims from dying from paralysis until they cleared the virus. While they'd still be paralyzed post-infection, they'd eventually get breathing ability back.
Today, we don't use "iron lungs", we intubate and call them 'ventilators'.....
Rows of iron lungs filled hospital wards at the height of the polio outbreaks of the 1940s and 1950s, helping children and adults (mostly children) with bulbar polio and bulbospinal polio. A polio patient with paralyzed lungs could spend up to a week inside an iron lung.[28]
Polio vaccination programs have virtually eradicated new cases of poliomyelitis in the United States. Because of this, and the development of modern ventilators, and widespread use of tracheal intubation and tracheotomy, the iron lung has mostly disappeared from modern medicine. In 1959, there were 1,200 people using tank respirators in the United States, but by 2004 there were only 39.[29] By 2014, there were only 10 people left with an iron lung.[30]
Polio vaccination programs have virtually eradicated new cases of poliomyelitis in the United States. Because of this, and the development of modern ventilators, and widespread use of tracheal intubation and tracheotomy, the iron lung has mostly disappeared from modern medicine. In 1959, there were 1,200 people using tank respirators in the United States, but by 2004 there were only 39.[29] By 2014, there were only 10 people left with an iron lung.[30]
Once again it doesn't matter how big the study is if the study design is complete garbage.
....and as you have zero expertise to evaluate any 'study design', it would behoove you to listen to people who DO have that expertise.
LMAO.............I went to the source which is this article (see below), which is nothing but a response (i.e. a comment) of cherry-picked data (AGAIN) that's isn't even sourced itself.
Measles epidemic exposes inadequate vaccination coverage in Pakistan
I tried finding this reference (Robertson et al. (1992. Public Health Reports; 197(1): 24-31) and from 1992 there's no such 197(1), but maybe it was a "typo" and it's actually 107(1) and not 197(1) (something an actual link would have rectified, but I digress).
This is what the link said:
Robertson et al. (1992) wrote that in 1985 and 1986, 152 measles outbreaks in US school-age children occurred among persons who had previously received the measles vaccine. “Every 2-3 years, there is an upsurge of measles irrespective of vaccination compliance.”
Here's the actual article:
A million dollar measles outbreak: epidemiology, risk factors, and a selective revaccination strategy.
Eh, that's interesting:
- There was indeed 152 outbreaks during that time, but it also said that the incidence of measles had decreased 99% since the vaccine started being used in 1963.......now why wouldn't the author of the comment include that?
- The comment "Every 2-3 years, there is an upsurge of measles irrespective of vaccination compliance." is complete BULLSHIT, no where in the article does it say ANYTHING like this
- And how can you believe any of this shank hawk? Because guess what, it's all based on cohort studies and didn't you say those was BS? Never mind the fact that cohort studies are the ONLY type of study to use for such research.
- So, let's look at what the study showed:
- Among the cohort of 627 students at junior high school A, 5 (0.8 percent) had not been vaccinated, 594 (94.7 percent) had received a single dose of measles vaccine, and 28 (4.5 percent) had received two doses of measles vaccine (table 2). Compared with students vaccinated once at ages 15 months or older, those who had not been vaccinated had a 20-fold increased risk of measles; those who received a single dose of measles vaccine before age 12 months had a 6-fold increased risk; and those who received a single dose of vaccine at ages 12-14 months had a 3-fold increased risk. None of the 22 students who received two doses of measles vaccine at ages 12 months or older became ill.
- And guess what, this study determined that the older a child is when vaccinated the less chance they could catch measles and that two doses were the best protection
- The ACIP now recommends that a routine two-dose schedule be implemented and that during outbreaks all persons who have not received two doses of measles vaccine be revaccinated.
What's it like to go through life being so gullible that you believe anything on the internet without a need to ACTUALLY research it?
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This is literally no different, than when they convoluted US-based data with Great-Britain-based data relating to the drop in measles and when the US started vaccinating (GB had started a few years earlier). But in that post, that I obliterated, I found the original sources, as well, and demonstrated to them that their claim that "measles had already vanished before we started vaccinating" was total bunk.
Sure, measles had already started going away in Great Britain, where they started vaccinating 2-3 years earlier. But the lewrockwell post completely mixed that up, and the usual idiots here lapped it up like free ice cream....
No. The more or less common-sense damning information to the study's design was not countered, so I'm assuming at this point there is no counter for it. Just like the other studies.
Do you know how laughable some of the stuff you post is? Though coming from a science background it kind of makes me sad. Exactly how do you quantify "common-sense" information?
