What do you do for a living and why should I listen to your expertise compared to actual experts in the field of study?
An unvaccinated student infected 21 others with measles at a yeshiva in Brooklyn.
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What do you do for a living and why should I listen to your expertise compared to actual experts in the field of study?
Do you mean to tell me that ‘studies’ with pre-ordained conclusions (vaccines are safe/effective) that are paid for by the same corporations whose products are disabling thousands of children every year are GARBAGE?? I am shocked.
You mean, posting counter-information you found on the internet that PREDATES the actual study publication?
Yeah....that's not really terribly convincing, unless your source has a Flux Capacitor and a 1980s-era Delorean....
Statistical analysis doesn't allow for "pre-ordained conclusions". You pick your acceptable levels of alpha and beta errors and you get the results your data spits out.
I think anti-vaxxers are worse than climate change deniers. Climate change deniers have been persuaded politically and ultimately it's a short term tax burden issue for them, they're also not going to make much of a difference as an individual.
Anti-vaxxers are just nuts and their individual actions can endanger others around them.
The same two on this board every time.
Anti-vaxxers are just nuts and their individual actions can endanger others around them.
The same two on this board every time.
You can't actually believe this. I mean, you have just set a new bar for yourself and that is really saying something.
What I do for a living is not of concern. I'm not here to tout myself.
Maybe you should be focusing more on what Stanley Plotkin, Paul Offit, Bernadine Healy, Andrew Zimmerman, the experts at the IOM, the expert scientists who got kicked off the board at the Cochrane and the hundreds if not thousands of doctors and scientists who are questioning vaccine safety. Some of the top, most well respected scientists in the world are questioning the vaccine science every bit as much as I am. Believe me, the vaccine safety community is in really, really good company.
You’re a complete turd
How do you figure that Joe? The study you posted was dated March 5th. The critique vid and article that cover that very study were both posted March 7th.
History will indicate time and again that some of the fiercest opposition reveals itself when the mainstream dogma is challenged by a minority. Of course you must be forced to question yourself in light of this truth. I question myself all the time, which is precisely why find myself where I'm at.
Don't take it from me. NTD is here to set this straight.
It doesn't take a scientist to figure out the points made in the critiques make a whole lot of sense. If not, then offer a counter. As always anyone's completely free to counter, yet nobody has made an attempt. Why? Could it possibly be because the information in the critique makes so much sense that, well, it can't be countered? The fact that nobody has attempted to counter the points made to this point is extremely damning to this fraudulent study Joe posted. If what I say here is complete rubbish, then put those critiques in their place and COUNTER THE INFO.
"Anti-vaxxer" is a derogatory label given mainly to those who, based on substantial evidence, question vaccine safety and as a result believe in informed consent and freedom of choice. You're literally typing that those who question the pharmaceutical industry and those that regulate them, and value freedom of choice should be murdered. Might want to check yourself.
Here are some videos you might be interested in judging by your intelligence and gullibility:
Oh you will probably fit right in with these loons as well. I mean all the scientific research right in front of you but you still want to be a dolt and be in the minority, kind of like your domestic terrorist position on vaccinations.
He must be a Peter Hotez disciple; anyone that questions the safety of vaccines needs to be "....snuffed out." These people are delusional.
Hotez was on Joe Rogan's show the other day lamenting the fact that there were like 18 or 19 anti-vaccine books ahead of his on Amazon's site. Gosh Petey, could it simply be that more people are looking for answers than propaganda and disinformation?
At least his screed should start moving up towards the top now that Amazon has bowed down to its master in order to help squash free speech. They must feel the foundation of their house of cards beginning to tremble.
@shank hawk and @naturalbornhawk - I’m assuming you’re vaccinated? If so - and hypothetically there was a completely safe way to do it - would you take something to get unvaccinated considering your position on vaccines?
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I love this post. I am fully vaccinated according to the 1980's vaccine schedule. Today's vaccine schedule in the US is completely different. In addition, not everybody is the same. Just because I might currently have no obvious visible symptoms of damage from the 80's schedule doesn't mean that the same must be true for anyone else.
It may not take an actual scientist, but it does take someone with a decent background in science to thoroughly understand much of the material. Also, there's been untold number of times that we thought some unknown problem, theorem, etc. worked this way because it "made sense", TILL we gathered the data (through technological advances, etc.) and found out it operated another totally different way that totally went against what would "make sense." Humans are fallible (e.g. conformation bias, cognitive dissonance), which is why it's BEST to let the data tell us what is going on.
Counter what exactly that no one has even made an attempt at (which I call BS to start off with)?
And let me explain something to you...........before we can counter any critique, we have to make sure (for starters):
- The data used it is actually correct
- That it's methodologically sound
- That it's conclusions are backed up by the results
- That the references back up it's contention
- etc.
You guys remind me of some of my Democrat/Republican Facebook friends that post some political meme (without really researching it, of course) and then when I show them that it's completely incorrect they say, "well, the point still stands" or something stupid like that............it truly baffles me.
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Do you think it was the poison in the vaccine that left you in the condition you are in now?
Proof that vaccines cause autism (or some other form of learning disability)
Absolutely. Hypothetically, a killed influenza virus administered nasally - single dose, no preservatives or adjuvants. Why not?
Again, I have no problem with vaccines. There are lots of shitty products for sale in this country that I don’t want to purchase; that doesn’t mean they should be removed from the market. It’s the government-corporate relationship and the talk of forced mandates that makes me cringe.
Who doesn't agree with "informed consent"? That's a medical requirement.
However, for vaccines, there also need to be legal requirements for vaccination because of the impacts on the rest of society and others who cannot be vaccinated or are immunocompromised.
Everyone who gets a vaccine is given the lists of risks, and certain medical conditions preclude you from getting one.
Maybe I didn’t understand exactly what you meant: how could something ‘unvaccinate’ a person?
If you don't use "preservatives", then vaccines can:
A) be contaminated with things that actually will harm you
B) can lose their effectiveness with time, rendering them useless
I get it: you're afraid of the words "adjuvant" and "preservative" because they are scary and you don't understand them. Preservatives are used ubiquitously in medicines and foods and are 100% safe.
Bone marrow transplant.
Go for it, then hit up the measles and polio areas of the world and report back.
Because a day is hardly time to review a publication. And I'm 100% certain there's nothing in the video but the same regurgitated crap that's in dozens of other videos.
Perhaps you could itemize the findings, along with your own review of the paper....
It's sad that most people don't even know that your bone marrow IS your immune system.........it produces lymphocytes, white blood cells, etc. which are essential parts of your immune system. Something everyone should have learned in a high school science class.
....and EVERY person who gets a transplant to cure a blood disorder/leukemia, along with those on immunosuppressants following an organ transplant are ALL more susceptible to measles, etc.
You like organ donation and 'saving lives of children' who have congential defects fixed by a transplant? Then you'd better get behind vaccinations, because the diseases you vaccinate people for will kill those kids.
I'm sure we could dig up a Youtube video on "immune system" and "bone marrow" basics that might inform them. Seems like they are incapable of learning anything from a textbook....
Based on some Facebook groups, you can ingest colloidal silver, put a slice of potato over the injection site to draw out the heavy metals, MMS therapy (industrial bleach, either ingested or through enema...yes, parents give this to their children, and it's also touted as an autism cure), coffee enemas (again, to children)...I'd have to go searching for more ways to detox the heavy metals after vaccinations.
If you are vaccinated how does an unvaccinated person affect you?
Not everyone who gets vaccinated develops full immunity in perpetuity.
Hmmm....colloidal silver.....yeah, that stuff's safe:
(do not adjust the tint on your TV, this is real, just like the Boise St football field)
Jezz............how many times does this has to be answered, before it's retained?
Actually, it about perfectly sums up antivaxxers & their threads.
And some just won't get immune period. I know a woman who went through the Hep B vaccine cycle three times for nursing school and the vaccines never took - her titers were always low/undetectable.
Has anyone else noticed the high correlation of those that believe in colloidal silver, essential oils, etc. that are also antivaxxers?
Plus, even if it doesn't affect me personally (since I'm UTD on my vaccines), it does affect babies who are too young to be vaccinated against diseases (go watch videos of infants with pertussis and read the stories from parents whose babies died from pertussis), people going through chemo, people who have autoimmune deficiencies, people who are on immunosuppressants (a friend got a heart transplant a couple years ago and will be on immunosuppressants for the rest of his life, so he's vulnerable to everything even despite being vaccinated, and one of his heart transplant friends died a week after contracting influenza this winter). My being vaccinated helps protect these people.
And these people are also opting to not get the vitamin K shot for their newborns (because all shots = vaccines plus the ever scary BLACK BOX WARNING) and some of those babies die of a brain hemorrhage.
Mebbe if we convince them that "colloidal silver" is the "cure all vaccine" for everything, we'll just be able to tell them all apart from their blue skin....
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