Another cops being cops thread

[theIowaHawk]

I'll yield to your point, with reservation. I'm still pretty sure that an officer can order a crowd to disburse or detain someone, including having them lay down, in the performance of his job. But clearly I'm not up to pursuing it so I "forfeit".

And yes, one of the two officers that approached Rambo appeared more concerned with Rambo's gun being drawn than anything the crowd was doing.

Actually, I agree with you, when it is in the "performance" of his job. I think my point, and the question is, when did he exceed his job performance?

 

[theIowaHawk]

I think I often ruffle feathers, and I'm almost always talking about a broader point than the specific facts at hand.

An officer has no right, or duty, in itself, to order dispersion. That comes from other acts, illegal acts.

Let me use an easy example:

Underage kids all drinking booze at a house party. Obviously illegal, all could be detained. Usually they order them to disperse. If the don't, they could, likely be arrested, but they could be for the illegal act anyways.

Ok, so a group subset of that party walks down the street to the park and hang out, no drinking. An officer can't just follow them and again order to disperse, he doesn't have that authority, it expired when the illegal concerns did. If he threw one to the ground for ignoring him and talking, mouthing off, whatever, I would hope the officer would be reprimanded.

 

[unIowa]

The main reason for ordering /taking someone down is for the officer's safety, which did not seem to be at play here. As Dan pointed out, the officer's actions likely made the situation more unsafe.

I'm curious of others are seeing the ~3:20 mark the same way I am, that the other officer grabbed him to put his gun away.

They certainly rushed over to him once they saw him take his weapon out, smart move on their part as that cop was losing his mind in a situation where that shouldn't have happened.

The best part of the video is at the beginning when he does the fall and roll, I watched it a minimum of 10 times, each time with laughter.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Well, one thing's for sure,,,that girl's family is going to get a nice check.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

From a neighbor's Facebook post:

PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…


A DJ setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJ was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.

This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.

PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.

The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Much like the case in Ferguson, MO., an unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer. But what’s different this time? Instead of the victim being black, he’s white, and therefore has garnered no media attention and no visits or comments from Al Sharpton, President Obama, or Reverend Jesse Jackson.

The victim, 20-year-old Dillon Taylor, whom family and friends say was unarmed at the time of the shooting, was shot and killed by a police officer, whose name has not yet been released, in Salt Lake City, UT

According to Police Chief Chris Burbank, the shooting was caught on the officer’s body camera, but he did not say whether Taylor was armed at the time of the shooting, nor, after watching the footage, had he decided whether the use of deadly force was justified.

Police reportedly arrived on scene because of a “man waving a gun around.” Taylor must have matched the description of the suspect, but witnesses claim that Taylor may have been pulling up his pants, causing the officer to think he was drawing a weapon.

The investigation in Salt Lake City, Utah into the officer’s conduct will continue without a riot and looters, without distractions from the DOJ, without Al Sharpton and his race baiting. It will be conducted as all investigations are, much like Ferguson, Missouri should have been.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/uh-oh-black-police-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-man-wheres-riot/

 

[DanL53]

I think I often ruffle feathers, and I'm almost always talking about a broader point than the specific facts at hand.

An officer has no right, or duty, in itself, to order dispersion. That comes from other acts, illegal acts.

Let me use an easy example:

Underage kids all drinking booze at a house party. Obviously illegal, all could be detained. Usually they order them to disperse. If the don't, they could, likely be arrested, but they could be for the illegal act anyways.

Ok, so a group subset of that party walks down the street to the park and hang out, no drinking. An officer can't just follow them and again order to disperse, he doesn't have that authority, it expired when the illegal concerns did. If he threw one to the ground for ignoring him and talking, mouthing off, whatever, I would hope the officer would be reprimanded.

Don't ever worry about ruffling mine. I have no feathers and gave my goats away so no one can "get my goat". (At least I try...way over the top stuff still gets to me.) What I mean is if I take offense from a message board, it's on me.

I understand what you are getting at now and the only waiver I have is that though Rambo was clearly making horrible decisions the onus was still on the citizen's to obey the orders given. At a later date they could always pursue whether Rambo was "in the right, properly performing his duty". But in the here and now of the moment, for all concerned, obeying those orders is, or should be, required.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Agreed. And every jurisdiction I'm aware of has a specific law that one can not disobey an even illegal order, at least not without repercussion. It's a requirement of law and order.

But that is why I feel it is so vital to investigate those bad acts and punish them, because the presumption is already on their side. If we have to bend to unlawful commands, we really need to try and keep those minimal.

 

[Vroom_C14]

A two-year-old case involving the shooting death of an unarmed 18-year-old white man by a black police officer is gaining attention on social media in the wake of this week’s protests and rioting in Ferguson, Missouri.

Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs was shot and killed Oct. 6, 2012, by Officer Trevis Austin, who is black, in Mobile, Alabama. Despite public pressure for an indictment, a Mobile County grand jury refused to bring charges against Officer Austin, concluding that the officer acted in self-defense.

The circumstances mirror those of the Aug. 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, a black unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs by Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, in Ferguson.

A St. Louis County grand jury’s decision Monday not to indict the officer ignited violence and looting in Ferguson and days of protests nationwide against racial injustice.

The discrepancy in the reaction to and coverage of the two grand jury decisions has not been lost on social media, where critics are citing the Collar case to counter those who say Brown was the victim of racism in both law enforcement and judicial system.

On Thursday, the website Conservative Tribune headline trumpeted the case: “Unarmed White Teen Gunned Down by Black Cop … Where’s the Outrage?”


Former CNN host Piers Morgan blasted the police response in Mobile days after Collar was killed, saying he “didn’t deserve to die,” but otherwise the case has received little attention outside Alabama, prompting critics to accuse the national media of a “whiteout.”

Said Julie on Twitter: “Hello? Media? Two years, and still only crickets. Where’s Al Sharpton for #GilCollar?”

Critics also note there has been no rioting or sustained protest in Mobile, even though the slightly built Collar, unlike Brown, never touched the officer and, because he was naked when he was shot, was more obviously unarmed.

Both shooting victims were found with marijuana in their systems.

“There’s riots for #MikeBrown but none for #GilCollar,” said one commenter, @samstuff, in a Wednesday post on Twitter.

“Nobody burnt buildings to the ground for them,” said commenter Gomer Pyle on Twitter, referring to Collar and Dillon Taylor, a white 20-year-old shot Aug. 11 by a minority police officer in Utah. “You never even heard of them until now.”

Others have pointed to the cases as evidence that police are routinely using excessive force against young men no matter what their race.

“To those of you who called #MikeBrown a thug please reconsider your stance on the issue now that the thug is a white male, who the system failed as well!” said India Washington on Instagram.

In what may be a sign of things to come in the Brown case, parents Bonnie and Reed Collar filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against the officer in July.

An earlier lawsuit named the university and Police Chief Zeke Aull, but courts ruled that both had legal immunity, leaving Officer Austin as the sole defendant.

Collar was a freshman at the University of South Alabama when he ingested two hits of the synthetic drug 25-I, a hallucinogen, which caused him “either to become extremely hot or to believe that he was very hot,” according to the original complaint filed in federal court in Mobile County.

“Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason,” says the complaint. “As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.”

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collar’s erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicle’s passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows “didn’t faze him,” Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

“At no point during the ensuing moments did Gilbert Collar ever touch Officer Austin. On one or more occasions, Gilbert Collar went to the ground and put distance between himself and Officer Austin,” the complaint said.

“Officer Austin had ample opportunity to obtain his baton and pepper spray, to holster his weapon and to use his own physical abilities, if necessary, or to prolong the situation and wait for back up to arrive.”

Ms. Rich stressed that Collar, a former high school wrestler, was “an outstanding member of his community,” but that “the drug that was taken produced conduct that caused Gil Collar’s death.”

The Collars have said that any damages awarded would be used to fund a scholarship. Officer Austin, whose attorney has declined to comment on pending litigation, was reinstated on the police force after the grand jury refused to indict him on any criminal charges.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Much like the case in Ferguson, MO., an unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer. But what’s different this time? Instead of the victim being black, he’s white, and therefore has garnered no media attention and no visits or comments from Al Sharpton, President Obama, or Reverend Jesse Jackson.

The victim, 20-year-old Dillon Taylor, whom family and friends say was unarmed at the time of the shooting, was shot and killed by a police officer, whose name has not yet been released, in Salt Lake City, UT

According to Police Chief Chris Burbank, the shooting was caught on the officer’s body camera, but he did not say whether Taylor was armed at the time of the shooting, nor, after watching the footage, had he decided whether the use of deadly force was justified.

Police reportedly arrived on scene because of a “man waving a gun around.” Taylor must have matched the description of the suspect, but witnesses claim that Taylor may have been pulling up his pants, causing the officer to think he was drawing a weapon.

The investigation in Salt Lake City, Utah into the officer’s conduct will continue without a riot and looters, without distractions from the DOJ, without Al Sharpton and his race baiting. It will be conducted as all investigations are, much like Ferguson, Missouri should have been.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/uh-oh-black-police-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-man-wheres-riot/

Always funny when those who are arguing one side will proactively cite proof for the other side...because of alleged hypocrisy.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Always funny when those who are arguing one side will proactively cite proof for the other side...because of alleged hypocrisy.

Where is it "alleged"?

 

[theIowaHawk]

From a neighbor's Facebook post:

PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…


A DJ setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJ was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.

This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.

PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.

The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.

So this happened in a public space?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Where is it "alleged"?

I inferred it, are you not alleging hypocrisy?

 

[DanL53]

Why does one incident get slapped in something like a photo album of other incidents?

My suggestion is, if there is something that happened in another time and place, start a thread about it!

 

[WORTHYWISH]

“I don’t care what she was yelling at that officer. Anything would not have justified throwing her to the ground and pushing her down and throwing her face into the concrete like he did,” Schutle said. He explained that there was no reason at all for the “crazy” cop to have pulled his weapon on a crowd of children — and Casebolt’s fellow officers seemed to agree.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...-attacked-black-teens-has-race-problem-video/

 

[Funky Bunch]

There should be height requirements for cops. What is this guy 5'2"?

 

[iammrhawkeyes]

"Another cops being cops thread"

Uh huh...

LOLZ. I'm not anti-cop, I'm anti-bad cop. Big difference. Again. my wife (no pic) was an ADA and taught at the police academy. That is a text book example of how NOT to handle a situation.

 

[thomasmulligan]

LOLZ. I'm not anti-cop, I'm anti-bad cop. Big difference. Again. my wife (no pic) was an ADA and taught at the police academy. That is a text book example of how NOT to handle a situation.

"The exception proves the rule."

 

[lucas80]

Everyone fancies themselves to be a celebrity these days. Give them an iPhone and a few seconds of video to make a name for themselves. I think the one cop took a few wrong turns, but you cannot excuse away the kids who wouldn't shut up, and wouldn't walk away.
It's quite clear that a bunch of them were there uninvited to the pool. What entitles them to trespass and then play the victim card? Just shut up and walk away.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Everyone fancies themselves to be a celebrity these days. Give them an iPhone and a few seconds of video to make a name for themselves. I think the one cop took a few wrong turns, but you cannot excuse away the kids who wouldn't shut up, and wouldn't walk away.
It's quite clear that a bunch of them were there uninvited to the pool. What entitles them to trespass and then play the victim card? Just shut up and walk away.

Interesting that you saw trespassing in the video, I must have missed the fences, signs, you know, stuff other than a public sidewalk and street.

Also, now one is required to shut up?

Man, the list of things these kids were required to do in the public area was quite long. Sit down, leave, on your face, shut up, get across the street, get over here, don't make me run, etc.

 

[DanL53]

Interesting that you saw trespassing in the video, I must have missed the fences, signs, you know, stuff other than a public sidewalk and street.

Also, now one is required to shut up?

Man, the list of things these kids were required to do in the public area was quite long. Sit down, leave, on your face, shut up, get across the street, get over here, don't make me run, etc.

And not ONE "Simon Says"!!!

 

[rocketclone]

Is that what happened? Police can't use force just because someone mouths off to them. Would you be ok with that kind of force if that were your 14 year old daughter? Force should be used in certain situations. This wasn't one of them.

My 14 year old daughter would not be in that position

 

[rocketclone]

Interesting that you saw trespassing in the video, I must have missed the fences, signs, you know, stuff other than a public sidewalk and street.

Also, now one is required to shut up?

Man, the list of things these kids were required to do in the public area was quite long. Sit down, leave, on your face, shut up, get across the street, get over here, don't make me run, etc.

How come no one has posted the video of the partygoers fighting with the older lady before the cops show up?

 

[Wendy79]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...side-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/#more-101972

 

[plmac9]

http://www.leoaffairs.com/video/5-things-didnt-know-pool-party-incident-full-video/

 

[theIowaHawk]

http://www.leoaffairs.com/video/5-things-didnt-know-pool-party-incident-full-video/

I love the last one, "that's all we're going to say about that one..."

I wonder why...

 

[Funky Bunch]

The cops should have been there. All of the officers except the one douchebag did what they were supposed to do.

 

[theIowaHawk]

How come no one has posted the video of the partygoers fighting with the older lady before the cops show up?

Feel free to post any and all information, the more we have, always the better.

 

[theIowaHawk]

The cops should have been there. All of the officers except the one douchebag did what they were supposed to do.

Exactly, is this really in question?

 

[Funky Bunch]

Exactly, is this really in question?

yes, apparently some people are trying to defend his actions. I wonder how those same people would feel if they were cops and he was their partner.

 

[DanL53]

Exactly, is this really in question?

There will be nut jobs on both sides of the fence on this one. But I must compliment the nut jobs on the right for quickly compiling a massive amount of crap to deflect from the issue at hand, which is the actions of ONE of the officers at the scene.

 

[EagleHawk]

Cop just need a bigger gun I guess. the bikers know how to sit.

 

[Funky Bunch]

Cop just need a bigger gun I guess. the bikers know how to sit.

I'm sure this was taken right as the cops arrived

 

[moral_victory]

Manlets should not be put in positions of power.

 

[iammrhawkeyes]

My 14 year old daughter would not be in that position

You must be one of those great parents. Congrats. Kids gonna kid sometimes. Even the best of them with the bestest of parents.

 

[theIowaHawk]

There will be nut jobs on both sides of the fence on this one. But I must compliment the nut jobs on the right for quickly compiling a massive amount of crap to deflect from the issue at hand, which is the actions of ONE of the officers at the scene.

We agree, we agree, we agree. Fun times.

 

[Funky Bunch]

The thing I find most amazing about this is that it has become a national story with enough legs to last for days. I haven't seen a thread about the prison escape yet.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

That prison escape reeks of an inside job and someone who worked at the jail is in trouble.

 

[Funky Bunch]

He gone

 

[theIowaHawk]

At a press conference Tuesday announcing Casebolt's resignation, the city's police chief called his actions in the video indefensible.

"Our policies, our training, our practice, do not support his actions," Police Chief Greg Conley said. "He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident."