Another Roy Moore Accuser to come forward... and, you cons will love the next part.
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I'm not desperate, nor am I trying to divert. There is a ridiculous rush to judgement that is typical of the herd mentality. The masses are usually wrong. If Moore is guilty, I hope he burns in Hell. But, the timing and coverage of this reeks as a smear for political gain. Personally, I love watching the 2 parties eat their own.
LOL...pretending you're above the fray is, frankly, a canine that refuses to pursue. You have a herd, too, you know. There's "zero evidence" Putin interfered? That's the Trumpkin herd mentality you're parroting. Spare us the "holier-than-thou" sermon, thanks. Heard it before.
You are wrong on this one. Things like this didn't get reported back then. Kids were afraid to speak out. His predatory behavior has been reported by local authorities. This is not media hype.
Where's the evidence? And yes...I'm above it. I'm a contrarian. When you realize there are just 5-6 corporations controlling the news...I'm always skeptical.
Nat...with all due respect, you might be on e of those "c" words but not necessarily "contrarian"......Sorry.
Woman says she had Moore "banned" from the mall.
I don't think there's an official list from then of people banned from the mall with his name on it. But I do believe he was a creepy annoyance to teenage girls there and some folks decided he should stay away.
Gray said she was in her early 20s and working at a department store in the Gadsden Mall when Moore took a “creepy” interest in her. She said that she doesn’t recall the specifics of their interactions, but “I just remember he asked me out [and] I told him that I was in a relationship, because basically to me he was kind of creepy.”
“I mean, you’ve got to understand - when you're that age, somebody in their 30s might as well have been 40 or 50 - to me anyway,” she said.
Gray said Moore was undeterred by her rejection.
“He'd come back through [the department store] and if I was working, he would stop by and chit chat and that sort of thing, and it just kind of got creepy to me,” she claimed.
Gray said she found it strange that a grown man was hanging around the mall on weekend nights.
“Every Friday and Saturday night, he was down at the mall. Nobody his age is at the mall! You know, parents are dropping off their 12 year olds and 13 year olds, 14 year olds. I mean, come on, I just thought that was really creepy even way back then,” she said.
Gray told ABC News she shared her stories about Moore with co-workers and family members over the years, but didn’t come forward publicly until The Washington Post first reported earlier this month the allegations against Moore from other alleged victims.
“I [have] repeated this story...many times. People who know me know what I've always said about him, and that he was not Christian, and that he was a pervert,” she said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roy-moore-accuser-banned-mall/story?id=51195632
I don't think there's an official list from then of people banned from the mall with his name on it. But I do believe he was a creepy annoyance to teenage girls there and some folks decided he should stay away.
Gray said she was in her early 20s and working at a department store in the Gadsden Mall when Moore took a “creepy” interest in her. She said that she doesn’t recall the specifics of their interactions, but “I just remember he asked me out [and] I told him that I was in a relationship, because basically to me he was kind of creepy.”
“I mean, you’ve got to understand - when you're that age, somebody in their 30s might as well have been 40 or 50 - to me anyway,” she said.
Gray said Moore was undeterred by her rejection.
“He'd come back through [the department store] and if I was working, he would stop by and chit chat and that sort of thing, and it just kind of got creepy to me,” she claimed.
Gray said she found it strange that a grown man was hanging around the mall on weekend nights.
“Every Friday and Saturday night, he was down at the mall. Nobody his age is at the mall! You know, parents are dropping off their 12 year olds and 13 year olds, 14 year olds. I mean, come on, I just thought that was really creepy even way back then,” she said.
Gray told ABC News she shared her stories about Moore with co-workers and family members over the years, but didn’t come forward publicly until The Washington Post first reported earlier this month the allegations against Moore from other alleged victims.
“I [have] repeated this story...many times. People who know me know what I've always said about him, and that he was not Christian, and that he was a pervert,” she said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roy-moore-accuser-banned-mall/story?id=51195632
The public evidence is available to anyone interested enough to research it. You won't. And it it's presented to you, you'll simply respond...as a polite Trumpkin herd member would...
One not so polite would scream, "FAKE NEWS!!".
Not a Trumpkin. Have you forgotten already? I'm holier than thou and way, wayyyy above that crap. It's all a dog and pony show for the ignorant, Boobus Americana.
Your inability to put forth evidence is all I need to know. Because you're an easily manipulated tool.
I don't mind simpletons like you saying that. Now back up your claim, you frigging dumbass.
The fact that the evidence has been presented in thread after thread...that it's available with a simple Google search...the fact that if it was presented again, you would simply dismiss it as you always do and show up in the next thread saying it doesn't exist...puts the lie to your claim to not be a Trumpkin. You're a bought and sold member of the herd. That "holier-than-thou...way above the fray"...that's your pretense. What you pretend to be. The fact is your right there at the trough with all the other Trump defenders. Your "dog and pony show" is tiresome.
I'm asking you to present here and now. You're a bitter, angry old F who is pissed he's not me because you're way down there. There is ZERO evidence. Ziilch. Nada. If it was so easily available, you'd post it. You won't, because it does't exist. And you're wrong about me being a Trumpkin, Miss Cleo. I hated him before he bought the Trump Tower. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? Always wrong.
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You can start here. You are now expected to refute...point by point...the information presented here. Failure to do so will confirm that you're a Trumpkin desperately trying to retain some legitimacy for your Dear Leader. You must present factual information only...attacking a source or claiming "Fake News" will automatically destroy whatever credibility (I can't imagine there actually is any) you still possess.
https://web.archive.org/web/2017041...vities-and-intentions-in-recent-u-s-elections
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/report-high-confidence-russia-interfered-with-u-s-election.html
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/report-high-confidence-russia-interfered-with-u-s-election.html
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.0f112ec5c48a
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.0f112ec5c48a
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/15/politics/russian-hacking-vladimir-putin-donald-trump/\\
Pissed I'm not YOU? You're kidding, right? If - by some godawful twist of fate - I was, I'd likely kill myself. I can't imagine a worse fate.
I have presented information in this thread that is factual and substantiated by local law enforcement and local press regarding his predatory behavior. You are strictly dismissive. I am the dumbass?
Yes. You are. Anyone can make accusations. That's why we have courts for people to challenge. Your mind seems made up already.
The accounts of predatory behavior were not accusations. They were based on complaints. What is your problem here?
What a frigging waste of my valuable time. I can only assume you've given up being a serious poster and turned to comedy. Major fail there as well.
So, because someone doesn't digest the conspiracy theories you foment, I must be a Trump supporter? Great logic there. As a self-professed (l)libertarian who is an anarcho-capitalist, I reject statism, which you fawn over. So, the Dear Leader moniker falls laughably short of your assertion. You OTOH, put the state before freedom.
Point by point, which the little diva demands, could be summed up in one word, "assertions".
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/report-high-confidence-russia-interfered-with-u-s-election.html
"The Intelligence Community did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election, and DHS assesses that the types of systems the Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying. "
What exactly am I debating here?
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/report-high-confidence-russia-interfered-with-u-s-election.html
"The CIA and FBI have high confidence in these findings, the NSA has moderate confidence. (Why different confidence levels between three agencies? Who knows.)"
High confidence? Really? Is that what you walk into the court room with, Counselor? I asked for evidence. You bring me high confidence from professional wordsmiths and liars who specialize in propaganda.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
You got me. Our gov't fears competition in information and that can not be tolerated. They are miffed that for the 1st time in decades, there is a news outlet preaching from a different hymn sheet. RT America is now off the air because they failed to register as a foreign agent. Great news for enemies of freedom like you, huh? Let's burn some books as well. Again, zero evidence. Nothing was brought to the Int'l Criminal Court because they have nothing. It's meant to condition drones like you for war. Your gov't is teaching you to hate. Before this, it was the yellowman, as we fought Vietnam, Korea and Japan. Before that, the redman, as we stole land from Native Americans.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations."
For God's sake, Man. Even someone with your Jerry Lewis like kid intelligence should begin to see a pattern by now. Confidence is NOT NOT NOT NOT evidence.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts
1) http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017...-story-fell-apart-say-hello-fancy-bear-2.html
2) http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/64678.html
DNC Refused to Give FBI Access to Its Servers … Instead Gave Access to a DNC Consultant Tied to Organization Promoting Conflict with Russia
Posted on January 5, 2017 by WashingtonsBlog
CNN reports:
The Democratic National Committee “rebuffed” a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday.
“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” a senior law enforcement official told CNN. “This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information.
***
The FBI instead relied on the assessment from a third-party security company called CrowdStrike.
As first reported by George Eliason, CrowdStrike’s Chief Technology Officer and Co-Founder Dimitri Alperovitch – who wrote the CrowdStrike reports allegedly linking Russia to the Democratic party emails published by Wikileaks – is a fellow at the Atlantic Council … an organization associated with Ukraine, and whose main policy goal seems to stir up a confrontation with Russia. [1].
The Nation writes:
In late December, Crowdstrike released a largely debunked report claiming that the same Russian malware that was used to hack the DNC has been used by Russian intelligence to target Ukrainian artillery positions. Crowdstrike’s co-founder and chief technology officer, Dmitri Alperovitch, told PBS, “Ukraine’s artillery men were targeted by the same hackers…that targeted DNC, but this time they were targeting cellphones [belonging to the Ukrainian artillery men] to try to understand their location so that the Russian artillery forces can actually target them in the open battle.”
Dmitri Alperovitch is also a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.
The connection between Alperovitch and the Atlantic Council has gone largely unremarked upon, but it is relevant given that the Atlantic Council—which is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk—has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia. As I pointed out in the pages of The Nation in November, the Atlantic Council has spent the past several years producing some of the most virulent specimens of the new Cold War propaganda.
It would seem then that a healthy amount of skepticism toward a government report that relied, in part, on the findings of private-sector cyber security companies like Crowdstrike might be in order.
The Atlantic Council is also funded by the U.S. military and the largest defense contractors, including:
- United States Army
- United States Navy
- United States Air Force
- United States Marines
- Lockheed Martin
- Raytheon
- Northrop Grumman
- Boeing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.0f112ec5c48a
James Clapper? Holding back laughter right now. Seriously? You come at me with a perjurer. This scumbag is one of the biggest threats to The Bill of Rights in America. You fail to see it because you're a filthy, freedom-hating, statist. That said, still waiting on your evidence.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/15/politics/russian-hacking-vladimir-putin-donald-trump/\\
"But neither of the sources said they knew of specific intelligence that directly ties Putin to the attack. US officials briefed on the investigation say the hacking has continued largely unabated since last month's election, and President Barack Obama on Thursday vowed to take action against Russia.
"We don't have Putin's fingerprints on anything or a piece of paper that shows he signed the order, but the nature of the operation was such that this had to be approved by top levels of the Russian government," a senior administration official with access to the intelligence on the hacking told CNN."
Do you even read this crap? More unnamed sources who didn't know of anything linking to Putin? Back in your sandbox, Bitch. You wasted way too much of my time.
LOL....so....after ALLLLLL that....are you now ready to admit that there is, in fact, evidence that the Russians interfered with the election? A simple yes or no will suffice. Please spare me more bleating about "conspiracy theories". Yes or no.
Who am I dealing with...Forrest Gump? Where on God's green earth did you get the impression I said there's evidence? Confidence is NOT evidence. No is my answer and has been my contention all along. You suffer from fuehrerprinzip. You gobble up anything they feed you because it requires no thought. Life is easier for most people that way.
LOL...just out of curiosity, OiT...and feel free to expound...what exactly do you think their confidence is based on if not evidence? You realize that dismissing anything out of hand requires exactly zero critical thought...which is about your limit, I'm afraid.
The public airing by our IC (with ZERO hard evidence) to weaken our own POTUS is unchartered territory and should tell you something. But, realizing who I am debating with explains a lot.
Confidence is based on evidence. What, you think the CIA just sits in a room and makes shit up so they can make memos?
You don't have a clue what hard evidence they have - you just dismiss it because you don't like the narrative. Weaken our POTUS??? Are you f'n kidding? He needs NO help in that regard. And you're NOT a full-blown Trumpkin? Tell us another one. None but a true Trumpeteer could say that with no hint of sarcasm.
1st you ask for a point by point refutation. I deliver it in spades blowing up your false narrative that you parrot from The Deep State. Yes, the same one that lies us into wars. Then you harrumph..."all that". You're a dolt. Trump is a Keynesian like the rest of D.C. I am not. I am anti-war. Trump involves us in illegal wars. He's a protectionist. I am not. He doles out foreign aid. I'm opposed. He's a militaristic authoritarian with generals all over his cabinet. I'm repulsed by that. He doesn't act presidential. I could go on and on. He's the antithesis of everything I believe. But, you'll keep circling back to that as a deflection, even though his statist views mirror yours.
The NSA has the goods on everyone. If they had it, they would be all over for him. They don't. In spite of all the lies that you've been told...especially with DNC paying for Crowdstrike. You still believe. You're like every girl who is going down on her man when he says he won't c.. in her mouth....then he does. You just want to believe.
You want critical thought? I'll give you some. You'll scream conspiracy. Non-thinkers always do. Russia has the most abundant amount of natural resources in the world...$75 TRILLION worth. Guess who wants it? The U.S. cannot stand economic competition. Anyone who lays in bed with Russia is history. Arbenz, Mossadegh, Iran again today, Assad, Syria again in '49, Kennedy, Ghaddafi et al.
Do you think the MIC benefits from Cold War 2.0? Brown University's Watson Institute just came out with a study saying the wars since 2000 have cost Americans over $5TRILLION. That money train ain't stopping any time soon with mouth breathers like you slurping up every drop.
Which gets us back to the Jan. 6 “Intelligence Community Assessment” and its stunning lack of evidencein support of its Russian guilty verdict. The ICA even admitted as much, that it wasn’t asserting Russian guilt as fact but rather as opinion:
“Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents.”
Even The New York Times, which has led the media groupthink on Russian guilt, initially published the surprised reaction from correspondent Scott Shane who wrote: “What is missing from the public report is what many Americans most eagerly anticipated: hard evidence to back up the agencies’ claims that the Russian government engineered the election attack. … Instead, the message from the agencies essentially amounts to ‘trust us.’”
In other words, the ICA was not a disposition of fact; it was guesswork, possibly understandable guesswork, but guesswork nonetheless. And guesswork should be open to debate.
Shutting Down Debate
But the debate was shut down earlier this year by the oft-repeated claim that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies concurred in the assessment and how could anyone question what all 17 intelligence agencies concluded!
However, that canard was finally knocked down by President Obama’s own Director of National Intelligence James Clapper who acknowledged in sworn congressional testimony that the ICA was the product of “handpicked” analysts from only three agencies – the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency.
In other words, not only did the full intelligence community not participate in the ICA but only analysts “handpicked” by Obama’s intelligence chiefs conducted the analysis – and as we intelligence veterans know well, if you handpick the analysts, you are handpicking the conclusions.
For instance, put a group of analysts known for their hardline views on Russia in a room for a few weeks, prevent analysts with dissenting viewpoints from weighing in, don’t require any actual evidence, and you are pretty sure to get the Russia-bashing result that you wanted.
So why do you think Clapper and Obama’s CIA Director John Brennan put up the no-entry sign that kept out analysts from the State Department and Defense Intelligence Agency, two entities that might have significant insights into Russian intentions? By all rights, they should have been included. But, clearly, no dissenting footnotes or wider-perspective views were desired.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/11/mocking-trump-doesnt-prove-russias-guilt.html#more-70034
Though it’s impossible for an average U.S. citizen to know precisely what the U.S. intelligence community may have in its secret files, some former NSA officials who are familiar with the agency’s eavesdropping capabilities say Washington’s lack of certainty suggests that the NSA does not possess such evidence.
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence.
For instance, that’s the view of William Binney, who retired as NSA’s technical director of world military and geopolitical analysis and who created many of the collection systems still used by NSA.
Binney, in an article co-written with former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, said, “With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the U.S. election, it is a major mystery why U.S. intelligence feels it must rely on ‘circumstantial evidence,’ when it has NSA’s vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore. What we know of NSA’s capabilities shows that the email disclosures were from leaking, not hacking.”
There is also the fact that both WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and one of his associates, former British Ambassador Craig Murray, have denied that the purloined emails came from the Russian government. Going further, Murray has suggested that there were two separate sources, the DNC material coming from a disgruntled Democrat and the Podesta emails coming from possibly a U.S. intelligence source, since the Podesta Group represents Saudi Arabia and other foreign governments.
In response, Clapper and other U.S. government officials have sought to disparage Assange’s credibility, including Clapper’s Senate testimony on Thursday gratuitously alluding to sexual assault allegations against Assange in Sweden.
However, Clapper’s own credibility is suspect in a more relevant way. In 2013, he gave false testimony to Congress regarding the extent of the NSA’s collection of data on Americans. Clapper’s deception was revealed only when former NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked details of the NSA program to the press, causing Clapper to apologize for his “clearly erroneous” testimony.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/07/us-report-still-lacks-proof-on-russia-hack/
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence.
For instance, that’s the view of William Binney, who retired as NSA’s technical director of world military and geopolitical analysis and who created many of the collection systems still used by NSA.
Binney, in an article co-written with former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, said, “With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the U.S. election, it is a major mystery why U.S. intelligence feels it must rely on ‘circumstantial evidence,’ when it has NSA’s vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore. What we know of NSA’s capabilities shows that the email disclosures were from leaking, not hacking.”
There is also the fact that both WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and one of his associates, former British Ambassador Craig Murray, have denied that the purloined emails came from the Russian government. Going further, Murray has suggested that there were two separate sources, the DNC material coming from a disgruntled Democrat and the Podesta emails coming from possibly a U.S. intelligence source, since the Podesta Group represents Saudi Arabia and other foreign governments.
In response, Clapper and other U.S. government officials have sought to disparage Assange’s credibility, including Clapper’s Senate testimony on Thursday gratuitously alluding to sexual assault allegations against Assange in Sweden.
However, Clapper’s own credibility is suspect in a more relevant way. In 2013, he gave false testimony to Congress regarding the extent of the NSA’s collection of data on Americans. Clapper’s deception was revealed only when former NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked details of the NSA program to the press, causing Clapper to apologize for his “clearly erroneous” testimony.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/07/us-report-still-lacks-proof-on-russia-hack/
‘Shirtless’ Roy Moore tried to pick up teens at YMCA — and local voters ‘treated it like a joke’: report
n a deep dive into former Judge Roy Moore’s controversial career in Alabama politics, several contemporaries of the U.S. Senate candidate marveled that anyone was shocked about recent reports of Moore’s preference for younger women, with one retired cop stating it was treated “like a joke” back in the day.
According to the report from the New York Times, many who knew Moore in Gadsden, Alabama were well aware of the then-assistant district attorney’s sexual antics.
“It was a known fact: Roy Moore liked young girls,” recalled retired Gadsden police officer Faye Gary. “It was treated like a joke. That’s just the way it was.”
While a former lawyer who shared office space with Moore stood up for the candidate, women who were in contact with him during the period remember an older man constantly pursuing younger women on the street, at the mall and at the gym.
Noting that Moore liked to work out at the local YMCA shirtless, Delores Abney, 63, said she recalled Mr. Moore hitting on young women who “appeared to be high school on up” who were taking part in her exercise class.
“It just did not look appropriate,” she stated.https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/sh...d-local-voters-treated-it-like-a-joke-report/
n a deep dive into former Judge Roy Moore’s controversial career in Alabama politics, several contemporaries of the U.S. Senate candidate marveled that anyone was shocked about recent reports of Moore’s preference for younger women, with one retired cop stating it was treated “like a joke” back in the day.
According to the report from the New York Times, many who knew Moore in Gadsden, Alabama were well aware of the then-assistant district attorney’s sexual antics.
“It was a known fact: Roy Moore liked young girls,” recalled retired Gadsden police officer Faye Gary. “It was treated like a joke. That’s just the way it was.”
While a former lawyer who shared office space with Moore stood up for the candidate, women who were in contact with him during the period remember an older man constantly pursuing younger women on the street, at the mall and at the gym.
Noting that Moore liked to work out at the local YMCA shirtless, Delores Abney, 63, said she recalled Mr. Moore hitting on young women who “appeared to be high school on up” who were taking part in her exercise class.
“It just did not look appropriate,” she stated.https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/sh...d-local-voters-treated-it-like-a-joke-report/
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