Another school shooting in AZ

[Slenderson]

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[hawkifann]

Why has it only picked up in the last 4 years? Nearly one mass killing per month..

Some of it is the media feeding frenzy. This NAU incident really seems more a fight between a small number of individuals that escalated and lead to 1 dead and several injured. If we hadn't just had the Oregon incident, would this be reported as a "school shooting"? I think it's a legit question. Not all incidents are the same, even those with multiple casualties.

 

[Vroom_C14]

You are horrendous at quoting.

Ok, somebody who subscribes the following point of view, please chime in:

They always attack where guns aren't allowed, if we got rid of those places there would be less shootings.

Ok, so a few questions:

1) Do you believe this is why/how they choose their targets? For example, it was brought up about even the S. Carolina church. Do you think he chose a church because of gun laws? Alternatively, a student at a school does it at school, and you think, again, it is because of gun laws?

May not be the only reason, but certainly plays a part. Hence the answers to #2.

2) Where is a place that they would cower and refuse to attack? Presumably a place full of guns, which would be.....where? An NRA convention? So, in this hypothetical would this be an Anti-Gun person using a gun to shoot Pro-Gun people?

How about the white house, a cop shop, gun show, firing range, gun shop? From the news it would be a MI person shooting innocent, law-abiding people.

3) Picking any one of these "no gun" locations, if you removed "no guns" how many people would actually be armed? Using the S. Carolina church, or even the Oregon JUCO, how many of those attendees would actually be strapped? 3.5) And isn't it likely those people would be armed anyways? I mean, you don't get searched prior to entering a movie theater, if a gun-wearer was attending he wouldn't leave it in the car, right? At least nobody I know would.

I don't carry in places that have those signs, I know others as well that abide by the laws. So if myself and those I know would carry into say our church - there would be 20+ carrying. Good chance a shooter isn't going to get us all, but i would feel pretty safe (knowing these guys\gals and how they train) if something did happen.

Serious questions btw.

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People have tried to "shoot up" the white house, as well as other highly regulated places. And yes, certainly, our highly trained defense personnel have put an end to that threat fairly quickly. Certainly staging military at all buildings would reduce the threat, at insane costs.

Armed - on site personnel quieted the threat quickly. Not saying that all that CC are well trained but that is an onus upon those that choose to carry. Why would one not become proficient if trying to defend oneself? This could be a "rule" put in place (options).

But you talk about gun shows, firing ranges, gun shops, but you have to imagine what the purpose of doing so would be. Why would they choose there? Disgruntled employee? Marksman given the boot? Maybe. But if they were making a "statement", then it would stand to reason they are anti-gun.............and then your scenario would be that an anti-gun person is using a gun against pro-gun people. Do you see the disconnect I'm having with that?

Why choose there - lots of people... I believe the "mass shootings" are mostly derived from going "postal" so disgruntled or MI plays a part. Or their statement is that they are BS crazy and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. Was the guy that killed Chris Kyle anti-gun? That was on a range.

So you would, in fact, carry in church if there wasn't a sign? THAT is what stopped you from carrying? I just find that hard to believe. I'd like some more input from other armed posters.
I would carry in a heart beat in church. I adhere to the rules laid out (unlike some) there are signs in Iowa City that are Gun Free and I adhere to those, my office doesn't allow weapons, I adhere to those. Why does it shock you that people follow the rules?

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So you agree that using a church as an example of proving this trend is a false one?
Not seeing where you are getting that.

Interesting that you are willing to further limit gun carrying, and require more hoops to jump through.
Not at all what I said - I stated I follow the rules and I believe that everyone should train, not required. I am not a bible thumping in your face with my rights type of person. Now try taking my weapons and that will change.

I'm not sure what else you are trying to say. I don't see you making the case that these sites are somehow chosen because of lack of guns. You seem to agree that it is mostly disgruntled people/MI choosing to do so for non-gun-related reasons.
Not sure what you are saying - I pointed out areas that don't get targeted because of folks that carry...Yes folks are (IMHO) crazy for shooting anyone let alone more than one, but they are careful enough to pick the path of least resistance.

I'll just leave it that - thanks for honest questions though.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Nope, I'm like you and not an NRA gun supporter type. But I'm not anti gun.

You can play coy all you want, your posts have made it clear you are not in favor of guns. At very least you don't want gun owners having the rights they do now.

 

[naturalmwa]

You can play coy all you want, your posts have made it clear you are not in favor of guns. At very least you don't want gun owners having the rights they do now.

The later is true. But you feel that way too don't you? Don't you want the mentally ill to be limited? By your logic, that makes you anti gun.

 

[Slenderson]

I'm not anti-gun either actually. I own a shotgun myself. I'm anti-mass shooting, so whatever we can do to stop this problem, I'm all for it. If I need to give up my gun, so be it.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Seriously, fix your quoting.

Not sure what you are saying - I pointed out areas that don't get targeted because of folks that carry...Yes folks are (IMHO) crazy for shooting anyone let alone more than one, but they are careful enough to pick the path of least resistance.

So you do, in fact, believe these locations are chosen BECAUSE of their "gun-free" status? Which, specific incidents do you believe that in?

 

[Run&Blade]

Yet another shooting and people are still talking about the same BS, trying to politicize it. Why don't we try understanding why it's happening instead.

Country has a lot of losers in it. It is very easy for anybody to get a gun.

There are no solutions for either so turning it into politics is all that can be done.

My solution would take a generation but it is doable and might have some good results.

Offer every 18 year old $20000 cash to get a vasectomy or their tubes tide. They can use that money to help pay for post high school education.

If they want kids the can get the procedure reversed for free when they turn 25. If they want it sooner they pay for it themselves.

This will cut down on thousands of unwanted children, greatly reduce future welfare payouts, and help with paying for college. Also it will cut down on the loser crowd.

I think it would more than pay for itself on the long run with less people in prison and on welfare.

Anybody got a better idea?

Taking away all the guns or fixing all the mentally ill people with some bullshit encounter group are not real options.

 

[Slenderson]

Country has a lot of losers in it. It is very easy for anybody to get a gun.

There are no solutions for either so turning it into politics is all that can be done.

My solution would take a generation but it is doable and might have some good results.

Offer every 18 year old $20000 cash to get a vasectomy or their tubes tide. They can use that money to help pay for post high school education.

If they want kids the can get the procedure reversed for free when they turn 25. If they want it sooner they pay for it themselves.

This will cut down on thousands of unwanted children, greatly reduce future welfare payouts, and help with paying for college. Also it will cut down on the loser crowd.

I think it would more than pay for itself on the long run with less people in prison and on welfare.

Anybody got a better idea?

Taking away all the guns or fixing all the mentally ill people with some bullshit encounter group are not real options.

This might be my favorite post of the year. So we pay 18 year olds $20,000 if they cannot reproduce, and then later "Taking away guns or fixing the mentally ill are not real options" but taking away reproductive rights are the real option. Either this is a troll attempt of someone is living in a fantasy world that I would like to join.

 

[Run&Blade]

This might be my favorite post of the year. So we pay 18 year olds $20,000 if they cannot reproduce, and then later "Taking away guns or fixing the mentally ill are not real options" but taking away reproductive rights are the real option. Either this is a troll attempt of someone is living in a fantasy world that I would like to join.

Taking away guns please share with us your plan to do that. It is impossible. People will hide them and the border is wide open to bring more in.

Please share with us even a theory on fixing the mentally ill. Also impossible.

I double dare you to post anything remotely possible on either.

 

[Slenderson]

Taking away guns please share with us your plan to do that. It is impossible. People will hide them and the border is wide open to bring more in.

Please share with us even a theory on fixing the mentally ill. Also impossible.

I double dare you to post anything remotely possible on either.

Triple-dog-dare? I don't have the answers either, but the fact that you thought your plan to castrate the human population for $20,000 per person and then later "reverse it for free", was at all realistic is laughable, even you have to admit that.

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[Slenderson]

Taking away guns please share with us your plan to do that. It is impossible. People will hide them and the border is wide open to bring more in.

Please share with us even a theory on fixing the mentally ill. Also impossible.

I double dare you to post anything remotely possible on either.

I'll take physical challenge Marc.