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If for some reason we have an open scholarship, due to 1-2 transfers, are there any big time scorers or athletic guards (can penetrate and shoot) out there that Iowa should pursue?

As much as I like the potential of Moss, Williams and Bohannon, I think we need to bring in a more experienced and proven guard, ideally a point guard. If Iowa State can consistently bring them in, there is no reason Iowa can't find one. I would feel much better going into next season.
 
At this point I would take a Bryce Cartwright clone. I realize he wasn't the best defender, he could attack the lane and dump it off. He was also good at the half court lob.
 
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Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa State have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
 
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DavenportHawk8 said:
At this point I would take a Bryce Cartwright clone. I realize he wasn't the best defender, he could attack the lane and dump it off. He was also good at the half court lob.
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He was the worst defender....ever.

The funny thing about people talking about Bryce Cartwright is that they have forgotten how much of an upgrade Gesell was over him from day one.
 
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TheHawkeyeDudeAbides said:
Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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I honestly don't know how you figure that Iowa State has done a poor job of high school recruiting. Niang, Morris, and Thomas (3/5 starters this season) committed as high schoolers. Frankly, I think their use of transfers has worked out well for them. Iowa needs a serious upgrade in talent at the point guard position and should look to fill that need any way possible (within NCCA rules of course).

Also, nobody has a clue how either Iowa State or Iowa will do next season.
 
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RocknRollface said:
He was the worst defender....ever.

The funny thing about people talking about Bryce Cartwright is that they have forgotten how much of an upgrade Gesell was over him from day one.
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I don't know about that. Marble and Jok weren't the best defenders either. Cartwright was a liability on defense, but he made up for it on the offensive end by driving and dishing. I mean he was the reason Whitey & Basabe were dunking so much. Cartwright would set them up a lot!
 
Anyone find anything on any JUCO PG's out there? I am sure there will be tons of graduate transfers open up as coaches change jobs.
 
DavenportHawk8 said:
I don't know about that. Marble and Jok weren't the best defenders either. Cartwright was a liability on defense, but he made up for it on the offensive end by driving and dishing. I mean he was the reason Whitey & Basabe were dunking so much. Cartwright would set them up a lot!
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He was good on offense, no disagreement.

But his ole defense was ridiculous sometimes.
 
TheHawkeyeDudeAbides said:
Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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Well tell that to IN as well as many other schools.

Why would this be any different than adding Jucos?

It's what good teams do to get better.

And what smart coaches do to stay on top when you need help.
 
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TheHawkeyeDudeAbides said:
Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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Niang, Morris, Naz Long, and Matt Thomas are all HS recruits that have been the foundation of that program and then they mixed in transfers/JUCOs as missing pieces and it has worked out very well for them. Iowa has the foundation guys, they just need to add the other pieces via transfer for that boost in talent.
 
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If there is a potential grad student transfer at point that could help next year, the staff should be all over that.

I've said this for many years, but why not try to hit Europe for players? Sure they had Gabe, but he came from a b-ball academy here in the states.
 
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TheHawkeyeDudeAbides said:
Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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More wins for Iowa next year? Just out of curiosity do you have any idea what ISUs 8-9 man rotation will look like next season? They will be very good.
 
I guess I don't remember Cartwright being that great offensively. I think Williams and JB will be as good or better than Cartwright.
 
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Kurt Warner said:
I guess I don't remember Cartwright being that great offensively. I think Williams and JB will be as good or better than Cartwright.
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Cartwright offense wasn't that great, it was his ability to get to the lane and hit the lane runner or dump it off. I guess he was more of a threat to pass it when he got that low, but he at LEAST got there. I think every time gessell or clemmons drove, they never dumped it off, they tried taking it for a lay-up.

Watch the Iowa @ #11 Wisky when Iowa upset them and you see how valuable Carwright was. He scored something like 15pts that game, but his ability to break down the defense, allowed our shooters open looks. That's all you need a PG to do.
 
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Anyone see UNI's recruits they have coming in. Top 25 player in Texas?? Didn't they have a their good PG from Texas a few seasons ago?

Also have a PG from Wisconsin. Kid is only 5-10 160, but he must be a scorer put up big numbers this year.

Just can't believe Fran can't get out of the State of Iowa for recruits. I like Iowa kids, but you have to use them sparingly and get some out of state talent. Does ISU have any Iowa kids on their roster?
 
DavenportHawk8 said:
Anyone see UNI's recruits they have coming in. Top 25 player in Texas?? Didn't they have a their good PG from Texas a few seasons ago?

Also have a PG from Wisconsin. Kid is only 5-10 160, but he must be a scorer put up big numbers this year.

Just can't believe Fran can't get out of the State of Iowa for recruits. I like Iowa kids, but you have to use them sparingly and get some out of state talent. Does ISU have any Iowa kids on their roster?
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ISU does have one from Iowa and Fran is still recruiting a 2016 guard. He's not from Iowa.
 
Cydkar said:
ISU does have one from Iowa and Fran is still recruiting a 2016 guard. He's not from Iowa.
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Is it the Ernst kid from Clinton?? I saw that kid play in HS, he is a pretty good player, I don't know about Div 1, but he is 6-9 with the ability to step out and shoot the 3 ball. I kind of hoped he would of ended up at UNI.

Who is the 2016 guard he is recruiting? He has no schollys?
 
2bagger22 said:
In the last few days Bryce Cartwright has gone from an average player on Fran's early teams to a top-five Iowa guard in the last decade.

What a world.
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All I am saying is the guy was decent. I am not saying he was All world by any means, but you look that team. They beat the #11 Wisky badgers in Wisconsin (I don't think we have won since). I mean he was a serviceable PG who could attack the lane and dish it off. I realize he probably had better post options than what gessell had, but still Cartwright was pretty good and driving and scoring. He could hit the floater or pull up. Yeah he wasn't the best PG ever in an Iowa uniform, but he could dish the ball out.

Gessell could drive, but could not finish or score the past 2 years. I don't know what happened with his game. As a freshman he could hit the elbow jumper all the time, now as a senior he couldn't hit it at all.
 
TheHawkeyeDudeAbides said:
Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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Ha, How about Ejim, Niang, M Morris and Matt Thomas to name a few and I think they turned out pretty well. Just because ISU doesn't pursue many high school players from the state of Iowa and none of the elite teams have been after Iowa recruits either. Iowa and UNI should be glad Iowa isn't recruiting Iowa players or I'm sure the other two Iowa teams would not be getting some of the high school recruits they are getting.

I don't know anything about the recruits Iowa has coming in next year but I wouldn't put my money on them beating Iowa State next year. In their respective conferences is a toss up because you never know how good other Big 10 or Big 12 schools will be either.
 
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Iowa State has 2 Top 10 JUCO players coming in next year....one is a PG from Iowa Western.
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And Fran brought in the #1 Juco PG a couple years ago, it just didn't work out. People act like he is totally ignoring the Juco/transfer options.
 
FranklinHawk said:
And Fran brought in the #1 Juco PG a couple years ago, it just didn't work out. People act like he is totally ignoring the Juco/transfer options.
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Yeah I kind of wonder what ever happened with that. Did Dickerson think he was going to come in and start over MG or was there something else? I thought the kid was okay, played a little bit out of control. Kind of wished he would of stuck around.
 
DavenportHawk8 said:
Yeah I kind of wonder what ever happened with that. Did Dickerson think he was going to come in and start over MG or was there something else? I thought the kid was okay, played a little bit out of control. Kind of wished he would of stuck around.
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I think Dickerson (and maybe Fran) thought he could overtake Clemmons' spot. Fortunately, Clemmons re-dedicated himself to the game and morphed his identity into a defensive stopper. When it was clear that Dickerson could not play defense, he rode the pine and left. Which to be fair is like his 6th stop between high school and college schools, so not really shocking.
 
DavenportHawk8 said:
Anyone see UNI's recruits they have coming in. Top 25 player in Texas?? Didn't they have a their good PG from Texas a few seasons ago?

Also have a PG from Wisconsin. Kid is only 5-10 160, but he must be a scorer put up big numbers this year.

Just can't believe Fran can't get out of the State of Iowa for recruits. I like Iowa kids, but you have to use them sparingly and get some out of state talent. Does ISU have any Iowa kids on their roster?
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All 6 recruits for 2015 are from out of State.
 
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Personally , the idea of a graduate transfer to come in to bolster a program for a season while trying to develop your recruits is demeaning and does not promote the program's long term health. Iowa State has done a poor job with its high school recruiting and its status with in state BB talent. UNI is just the opposite and while they do not play the top 40 on a more consistent basis, especially late in the season, they do well enough and are respectable.

Let Iowa State have its Cinderella moment and watch the reality take its place at the table as ISUcc will tumble back down the rungs of the Big 12 ladder. I'm betting Iowa wins more games next year than ISUcc.
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That cinderella moment has gone on for 5 years now. I'd day Iowa State did alright with Melvin Ejim, Niang, Morris, Thomas and Long as high school players.

Wasn't Iowa's best player for the last two years a transfer?
 
DavenportHawk8 said:
Yeah I kind of wonder what ever happened with that. Did Dickerson think he was going to come in and start over MG or was there something else? I thought the kid was okay, played a little bit out of control. Kind of wished he would of stuck around.
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He did have a history of moving around, and I think he just didn't have the patience to wait/develop when he wasn't getting big minutes right away. I do think had he stuck around he could have been a contributor this past year and next.
 
RocknRollface said:
He was the worst defender....ever.

The funny thing about people talking about Bryce Cartwright is that they have forgotten how much of an upgrade Gesell was over him from day one.
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Gesell played harder on defense. Hard to find any other upgrade. If you want your most important position on court occupied by game manager that is no offensive threat, yeah, that is what we had.
 
Boys5 said:
That cinderella moment has gone on for 5 years now. I'd day Iowa State did alright with Melvin Ejim, Niang, Morris, Thomas and Long as high school players.

Wasn't Iowa's best player for the last two years a transfer?
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It was only this year, Whitey was our best player last year. But yes Jared was a transfer to Iowa. He left wisky, bet he wishes he would of stayed. Would of been apart of 2 final 4 teams and a sweet 16 team this year.

Iowa fans are just butt hurt over the fact that we can't get an upgrade in talent at Iowa. I think it will slowly shift in the right direction over the next couple of years. Iowa has been after the top targets, just has not been able to land them, but to be honest what did they have to sell them (2 NIT appearances and 1 NCAA.) Now Fran can say we have been to 3 straight NCAA tournaments and in the round of 32. I also think the upgrade in facilities will help them moving forward as well. I think recruits will start to see it and with the area universities (Minny, Illinois, Mizzou) in dumpster fire mode, I am sure Iowa will be able to take advantage and get some recruits out of STL, Chicago, Minneapolis and etc. Fran just has to be willing to go after them.

The only thing that sucks is we have something like 8 schollys wrapped up in either Freshman or incoming freshman. So we do not have a lot of openings for schollys during these times.
 
FranklinHawk said:
And Fran brought in the #1 Juco PG a couple years ago, it just didn't work out. People act like he is totally ignoring the Juco/transfer options.
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He was 3rd team Juco all-american as I recall. That doesn't make him #1. Fran blew it, either on player evaluation or development with Dickerson.
 
HawkLogic said:
He was 3rd team Juco all-american as I recall. That doesn't make him #1. Fran blew it, either on player evaluation or development with Dickerson.
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Well, the article I just pulled up said #1 Juco PG and #10 overall. And I don't think Dickerson stuck around long enough for development.
 
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