Why would you even post something if you were pretty sure it was wrong and old?
Any new grad transfers???
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Why would you even post something if you were pretty sure it was wrong and old?
this is the type of comment by someone throwing Williams and Bohanon {under the BUS} how goes anyone know Moore is quicker than these 2.
If you read the thread, you will see that my post was a response to a comment about transfers. I included the caveat "unless they've changed the rule" because I wasn't positive that was still the rule, and I have become cautious on this board about making statements that are seen as unequivocal.
If I had it to do over, instead of writing "unless they've changed the rule, violating the NLI loses a year of eligibility," I would write, "Have they changed the rule? Violating the NLI used to cost a year of eligibility."
Don't ask me what I'd do on prom night, 1964, if I had it to do over.
No it is not. If you'd read anything on Moore by people who actually know bball his quickness is one of his biggest assets and why would Iowa pass on Illinois player of the year at a position with lack of experience and depth. Healthy competition and let Fran play the best man but plenty of available minutes next year. You can never have too much depth.
Now throwing someone under the bus would be bashing the starting qb of your 12-0 team and saying the guy who quit and transferred after going 6-5 as a starter the year before is better.
you have seen Moore go up against either Williams or Bohanon to prove he is quicker? if not then all you have is hearsay and others opinions on what they think is being quick and nothing more, Williams has experience limited yes but he still has experience and Bohanon has just as much experience as Moore which ZERO.
also Fran recruits guards that can bring the ball up the court, Jok if he comes can bring the ball up the court, Moss can and has played the PG, SG, WG and SF position, even last season Uthoff brought the ball up on occasion.
if Fran were to bring a Grad Transfer I would prefer a Center, that way Fran would have solid 10 man rotation of traditional PG, SG, SF, PF and C,
in no particular order of who would start
PG Williams, PG Bohanon
SG Jok, SG Ellingson and SG Moss
SF Uhl, SF Baer and F Pemsyl as Fran has said he is a SF.
PF Cook and PF Wagner
C Kriener and the Grad Transfer { maybe Jones if he is fully healthy}
after the 16-17 season these will leave for sure,
Jok his replacement looks to be Connor McCaffery
the Grad transfer that's if Fran gets one, hoping that 6'11 F/C Williams replace him, Jones nmay or may not get a 6th year, if not get the best available or save it for the 2018 class which at this point only has 1 scholarship. and looking at it after the 2017 class these will be the 4* by ESPN on the Team
PG Bohanon
SG Moss
CG McCaffery top 100 by all sites
PF Cook top 50 by ESPN
C hopefully Williams top 40 by all 4 sites 35-37th depending on where you look.
then IA gets Weiskamp a top 20 recruit by ESPN, NOT EVERY TEAM has a full roster of 4 and 5* talent. this is a far cry from what it was under Lick. this is why I am confused by all the doubting going on about the job Fran is doing in recruiting. also the 2016 class is rated 29th by ESPN and ESPN rankings are used when picking the McDonald AA teams,
plus ESPN is more accurate when it comes to rating BB players.
You're the most dedicated troll I have ever seen. One can not possibly be this stupid without trolling.
Besides a few highlights videos which is about all you saw from Moore too ill say that all recruiting analyst who are a million times more qualified than you talk about how quick he is. Here is what was said from ESPN insider since your last line said ESPN most accurate and has him 68th best player, 12th for pg.
"Moore is cat quick, tough and fearless guard that is an aggressive playmaker. He has a tight handle is an excellent passer as he attacks and has beyond the arc range when in rhythm. He is a scoring point guard that excels on and off the ball. He applies good ball pressure as well. Moore is always near the action and is full attack mode on almost every possession."
Again from people who've seen him so many more times than you and actual understand bball.
There is a reason Moore was player of the year in Illinois and top 50 recruit. Why Would Iowa pass on taking another good player. Miss St and FSU both got 2 top 20pgs in ESPN rankings.
So now the players on the team and center recruits Fran is bringing in aren't good enough? Why are you throwing them under the bus?
Am I doing it right?
Frans lack of recruiting will take a serious toll tbis year. Iowa's projected starting lineup:
PG: Williams. Limited to no experience. 1.2 PPG.
SG: Jok. Will be depended on heavily. 16.2 ppg.
SF: Uhl. Will need to take a HUGE leap. 6.1 ppg
PF: Wagner. Not really a scorer. 2.6 ppg
C: Cook or Kriener. Zero experience.
Only bench player with any legit experience being Baer at 4.5 per game. I just don't see where 70 points a game comes from. Going to be a rough year. Frans lack of ability to recruit at a major level gets exposed this year.
Why would Lunardi pick Iowa as a 7-seed already if this were the case? Maybe you will be exposed...
I actually think the makeup of the roster this year is closer to what fit's the style of play Fran would like more than any roster he's had to date. And I also think we'll be rewarded with the most fun brand of basketball we've seen. It may not be his best team, but I think it will be the most fun to watch. And I say that knowing there's a chance Jok won't be back.
Are you herbie's alter ego?
This is a very poorly thought out opinion.
Its a rebuilding year. It happens to any team that graduates as much experience as Iowa did.
The idea that , "I haven't seen them play, so they must not be good" is stupidity. And that is your thought process.
I would bet that allot of the guys on next years team are eventually going to be viewed as Frans best recruits. Williams, Moss, Cook, Wagner ect.
Who haven't we seen play? Cook and Moss? Pretty much every single team in the country has 2-3 contributors coming in that no one has seen play. All I'm saying is other than Jok the cupboard is very bare. Not a good job by Fran of balancing recruiting classes. I'm just being honest...I'm not sure how that opinion is based upon stupidity. Other than Jok the next highest returning scorer is 6 ppg. That is based upon fact not stupidity.
Why do you think that the next highest returning scorer after Jok only averaged 6 ppg? Could it be because we had 4 seniors and Jok who got most of the playing time this season? They aren't going to be playing next year so Moss, Williams, Uhl, Cook, Jones, and Baer will be playing their minutes. It is a rebuilding year for sure but the cupboard is far from bare. We haven't seen Moss, Cook, or the other freshman play at all, and we haven't seen Baer, Jones, Wagner, or Williams playing extended minutes this year.
If they were good enough to play extended minutes last year they would have. I could understand the optimism if they weren't even on the roster last year and you had a crazy influx of stud freshman/jucos/transfers. It's not like Iowa fans don't pretty much know ehat to expect from williams/uhl/wagner. Moss and Cook could end up being the real deal but these kids haven't played a minute of college bball. These guys aren't McDonald's All Americans will likely take them a year or two before they are major impact players.
That's your opinion. They didn't play extended minutes in my opinion because Fran was trying to win basketball games and went with his experienced seniors. No one was going to take extended minutes away from Jok, Uthoff, Woody or Gesell. Sapp was needed for defense which we found out against Villanova when he had to sit out most of the 1st half.
You truly don't think if Moss was that good of a player and he could've had an immediate impact Fran would have pulled his redshirt?
[QUOTE="Iowan585, post: 2624202, member: 69588"]If they were good enough to play extended minutes last year they would have. I could understand the optimism if they weren't even on the roster last year and you had a crazy influx of stud freshman/jucos/transfers. It's not like Iowa fans don't pretty much know ehat to expect from williams/uhl/wagner. Moss and Cook could end up being the real deal but these kids haven't played a minute of college bball. These guys aren't McDonald's All Americans will likely take them a year or two before they are major impact players.[/QUOTE]
How do you not realize that this is stupid?
You honestly think that freshman were going to supplant the seniors Iowa had last year? That would be an extreme rarity.
We know what to expect from true freshman who only played a few minutes a game? Are you serious?
How long how you been watching college basketball? A couple months?
I mean seriously, get a clue.
How do you not realize that this is stupid?
You honestly think that freshman were going to supplant the seniors Iowa had last year? That would be an extreme rarity.
We know what to expect from true freshman who only played a few minutes a game? Are you serious?
How long how you been watching college basketball? A couple months?
I mean seriously, get a clue.
IMO Fran didn't think he would need him last year because he had Jones who could play the 2,3, and 4. Moss also arrived late to Iowa after working during the summer to get scholastically qualified and that might have had a part in the decision to redshirt him. At the point that Jones became injured, Iowa was playing well and Baer had stepped up his game and displayed what he could do against Drake. I wouldn't have removed the redshirt if I were Fran but I haven't seen Moss play so I am only going on what people say about him on this board.
With Jones (hopefully at 100%) and Moss being what people are saying he is as a player, I think that Iowa will be able to put together a very respectable team next year with Wagner, Williams, Baer, Jok, and Uhl returning and with the addition of Cook who most people see as an immediate impact player.
How do you not realize that this is stupid?
You honestly think that freshman were going to supplant the seniors Iowa had last year? That would be an extreme rarity.
We know what to expect from true freshman who only played a few minutes a game? Are you serious?
How long how you been watching college basketball? A couple months?
I mean seriously, get a clue.[/QUOTE]
Get a clue? If those freshman were stud players Fran would've found minutes for them. Period. You act like Gessell Sapp and Woodbury were all conference players. It's going to be a down year for the Hawkeyes. Sorry. And to the poster boasting about Lunardi predciting a 7 seed, that's not gonna happen, sorry.
Get a clue? If those freshman were stud players Fran would've found minutes for them. Period. You act like Gessell Sapp and Woodbury were all conference players. It's going to be a down year for the Hawkeyes. Sorry. And to the poster boasting about Lunardi predciting a 7 seed, that's not gonna happen, sorry.[/QUOTE]
Stud players? What does that even mean? As if there are only instant impact players and busts?
The vast majority of college basketball players don't fit into either of those category's.
Were Jok, Uthoff and Marble "stud players" their first year at Iowa?
MG, AC and Woodbury were poor offensive players, but they had a ton of experience, didn't make mistakes and played really good defense. No freshman short of one and done players were going to take minutes away from them, especially since they were playing great for 2/3s of the season.
The lack of playing time for Iowas freshman last year has no bearing on what they will do for the rest of their careers.
Williams, Wagner and Baer did play last year and anyone with half a brain can see they are going to be solid players for Iowa in the future.
You don't understand college basketball.
Stud players? What does that even mean? As if there are only instant impact players and busts?
The vast majority of college basketball players don't fit into either of those category's.
Were Jok, Uthoff and Marble "stud players" their first year at Iowa?
MG, AC and Woodbury were poor offensive players, but they had a ton of experience, didn't make mistakes and played really good defense. No freshman short of one and done players were going to take minutes away from them, especially since they were playing great for 2/3s of the season.
The lack of playing time for Iowas freshman last year has no bearing on what they will do for the rest of their careers.
Williams, Wagner and Baer did play last year and anyone with half a brain can see they are going to be solid players for Iowa in the future.
You don't understand college basketball.[/QUOTE]
Well call your shot then we will see who knows more about college basketball. I predict Iowa will not make the tournament next year. I said it will be a down year for them. You freaked out. All I said was Fran should have balanced the classes better. You'll have zero experience at point guard. That's a pretty important position. Also, very little experience at the forward position. So call your shot does Iowa make the tournament next year? If so, seed?
Well call your shot then we will see who knows more about college basketball. I predict Iowa will not make the tournament next year. I said it will be a down year for them. You freaked out. All I said was Fran should have balanced the classes better. You'll have zero experience at point guard. That's a pretty important position. Also, very little experience at the forward position. So call your shot does Iowa make the tournament next year? If so, seed?[/QUOTE]
No you said Frans lack of recruiting is going to get exposed, and then used returning ppg to justify it. The two things have nothing to do with eachother.
I said it was going to be a rebuilding year, thats what happens when you lose a bunch of starters.
Iowa will have allot of young talent next year but it will take at least half the season before they even develop roles and chemistry let alone learn how to win in a major conference.
Iowa is a bubble team at best next year but that doesn't mean there was a failure in recruiting. It means Iowa will be a young team and young teams don't generally win in college basketball.
I'll reiterate what I have predicted before ,....top 4 in the B1G, 20 + wins, 2 wins in BTT minimum and sweet 16
So Iowas best season since the turn of the century with literally only one player returning with legit experience and a bunch of freshman and sophs. Okay then...
RocknRollface sorry if you are a bubble team AT BEST that's a failure in recruiting. Also, what do you base your prediction on? You call me stupid saying I have no clue what these guys have to offer as they were stuck behind seniors. Well how do you know? Who is your PG? Who is your second and third leading scorer? Could go much better than expected or could be an absolute trainwreck.
Its not a failure of recruiting. Its what happens when you have imbalanced classes.
For the years in between the last senior class and the current soph class Iowa did not have many sholorships available.
There is no way around that, its just numbers. Dale Jones was supposed to help even it out but he was injured.
Its this simple, a rebuilding year due to inexperience happens to every program at some point, it is not the same thing as a failure in recruiting. If you were at all familiar with college basketball this wouldn't even need to be explained.
I will go with the record that Fran has been able to achieve at Iowa for the last 6 years as my benchmark as to how Iowa will do next year. Iowa has won 20 or more games each year for the last 4 years. If that happens again next year then Iowa should be at least an NCAA tournament bubble team.
You have no clue as to how the players will perform at Iowa next year as do I. Fran however knows because he has recruited them and has a very successful track record as a Division I coach. I have complete confidence in who he has recruited based on what he has accomplished at every college where he has coached. His record at Iowa speaks for itself.
Imbalanced classes is a failure in recruiting.
Imbalanced classes is a form of recruiting failure. If any top 25 type program has a "bubble team at best" type of team something isn't going right. Fran was feeling a little heat this year. I think he will get a pass for a rebuilding year. Better hope one year doesn't turn into two or three if that freshman class is a flop.
And this is clear evidence you have no clue what you're talking about.
Bubble years happen to just about every program out side of a few elites.
Imbalanced classes are not a form of recruiting failure. If they were then there are a lot of coaches around the country that have failed. They happen because players leave early for the NBA, players transfer, and players get injured and are redshirted so that they don't lose a year.
