I'm really hopeful that we would have Ott back as well, however our D should be pretty stout regardless.
Anyone care to post a guess to next years starters?
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QB Beathard
RB Daniels/Wadley
FB Kulick
WR Vandeberg/J. Smith
TE Kittle
OT Croston/Myers
OG Welsh/Daniels
C Ferentz
DE Ott/Hesse
DT Johnson/Bazata
LB Neiman/Bower/Jewel
CB King/Mabin
S Taylor/Snyder
The way Croston played in Pasadena maybe they should move him inside to guard, play Daniels at center and Ike at tackle.
RB Daniels/Wadley
FB Kulick
WR Vandeberg/J. Smith
TE Kittle
OT Croston/Myers
OG Welsh/Daniels
C Ferentz
DE Ott/Hesse
DT Johnson/Bazata
LB Neiman/Bower/Jewel
CB King/Mabin
S Taylor/Snyder
The way Croston played in Pasadena maybe they should move him inside to guard, play Daniels at center and Ike at tackle.
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QB Beathard
RB Daniels/Wadley
FB Kulick
WR Vandeberg/J. Smith
TE Kittle/Wiesnieski
OT Croston/Botteger
OG Welsh/Myers
C Daniels
DE Ott/M. Nelson
DT Johnson/Bazata
LB Neiman/Jewel/Hockaday
CB King/Mabin
S Taylor/Ojemudia
RB Daniels/Wadley
FB Kulick
WR Vandeberg/J. Smith
TE Kittle/Wiesnieski
OT Croston/Botteger
OG Welsh/Myers
C Daniels
DE Ott/M. Nelson
DT Johnson/Bazata
LB Neiman/Jewel/Hockaday
CB King/Mabin
S Taylor/Ojemudia
Will be nice to see the future at offensive line in 2017. Paulsen Twins at LT, LG, Daniels at C, toss up at G and hopefully Farnoik as a RS freshman at RT. Brett Wachter has potential #71 if his head is in the game. Heard from a few ex players at HMS he only played when he felt like it at the H.S. Level since his dad was coach and allowed it.
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Starters seem to be straight forward, with position battles at OLB between Mends and Hockaday, Safety between Gair and Snyder.
Big question is who is going to be the punter?
It will be most interesting to watch who emerges as the backups at two key positions: DE and OT. It seems as though it will be two redshirt freshman backups at DE, but who? Unless one of the DT's moves outside. Rumor is Slater is going to be a stud, but is playing inside.
Big question is who is going to be the punter?
It will be most interesting to watch who emerges as the backups at two key positions: DE and OT. It seems as though it will be two redshirt freshman backups at DE, but who? Unless one of the DT's moves outside. Rumor is Slater is going to be a stud, but is playing inside.
I think there will be A LOT more competition on the Offensive Line. Ike Boettger may end up being the best Offensive lineman on the team. And there are young guys, in the wings that are going to be 'in the mix'.s. And I see Jay Scheel playing a lot at WR next season, as well.
I am keep saying that Daniels needs to become the fullback and work on his pass catching component. Iowa is done a poor job under KF of recruiting quality SKILL ( QB, WR, RBs) players and placing them in the NFL. Shonn Greene, Tavain Banks, Ricky Stanzi, Marvin McNutt have only had a cup or two of coffee while being in the NFL, if that.
Daniels is not NFL material but Wadley shows glimpses of NFL material. Graham seems to possess some quickness as well. Iowa needs to utilize its speed better.
I believe CJ is the best QB Iowa has ever had during KF tenure but the WR corp has never had the " Robert Smith and Quinn Early" receiving tandem that Hayden had. Iowa is supposedly getting better with Jeremick Smith, Falconer, Ogwo and Scheel in the returning corp but Iowa needs to land some higher quality prospects. The receivers seems to be a bit better under Bobby Kennedy than when Lester Erb or Soup Campbell coached the position. Still Iowa misses out on top 40 WRs. Not asking for blue bloods top 5 or 10 quality but a couple of top 40 kids with some real foot speed and catching ability.
Daniels is not NFL material but Wadley shows glimpses of NFL material. Graham seems to possess some quickness as well. Iowa needs to utilize its speed better.
I believe CJ is the best QB Iowa has ever had during KF tenure but the WR corp has never had the " Robert Smith and Quinn Early" receiving tandem that Hayden had. Iowa is supposedly getting better with Jeremick Smith, Falconer, Ogwo and Scheel in the returning corp but Iowa needs to land some higher quality prospects. The receivers seems to be a bit better under Bobby Kennedy than when Lester Erb or Soup Campbell coached the position. Still Iowa misses out on top 40 WRs. Not asking for blue bloods top 5 or 10 quality but a couple of top 40 kids with some real foot speed and catching ability.
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WR is the biggest question mark for me. I just worry that we will not get any deep threats and therefore will be stuck with the same issues that plagued in our last 2 games. No separation from the WR's and therefore our passing game is mute. The defense can load 7-8 guys in the box and play man coverage. Tough to run on that type of defense and throw if your WR can't get open.
Interesting prediction. I am really looking forward to watching Ojemudia play. IMO Ojemudia had the most impressive hudl recruiting video of any recruit in his class, just oozes playmaker talent. He should get substantial playing time next year.
QB - CJB, Wiegers
RB - Wadley, Daniels/Mitchell
FB - Kulick, Kelly
WR - Vandeberg, Falconer/Scheel
WR - Smith, McCarron/Rugamba
OT - Ike, Render
OG - Welsh, Newborg
C - Daniels, Ferentz
OG - Ward, LeGrand
OT - Croston/Myers
TE - Kittle, Outsey
DE - Ott, Nelson
DT - Johnson, Faith
DT - Bazata, Terlouw
DE - Nelson/Hesse, Lattimore
LB - Mends/Hockaday
LB - Jewell, Taylor
LB - Niemann, Bower
DB - King, Fleming
S - Snyder/Ojemudia
S - Taylor, Gair
CB - Mabin, Johnson
RB - Wadley, Daniels/Mitchell
FB - Kulick, Kelly
WR - Vandeberg, Falconer/Scheel
WR - Smith, McCarron/Rugamba
OT - Ike, Render
OG - Welsh, Newborg
C - Daniels, Ferentz
OG - Ward, LeGrand
OT - Croston/Myers
TE - Kittle, Outsey
DE - Ott, Nelson
DT - Johnson, Faith
DT - Bazata, Terlouw
DE - Nelson/Hesse, Lattimore
LB - Mends/Hockaday
LB - Jewell, Taylor
LB - Niemann, Bower
DB - King, Fleming
S - Snyder/Ojemudia
S - Taylor, Gair
CB - Mabin, Johnson
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I'm hoping he has one of those 'it clicked as a Senior' seasons. I don't think it is in the cards for him at Tackle, but since they used him in the jumbo package on the goal line there might be hope he breaks thru at guard.
The OL is the most wide open position group. Welsh and Daniels are the only locks, I think Ike wins a Tackle spot; the other 7 spots in the 2 deeps are wide open IMO.
The OL is the complete opposite of DT and CB. You could pretty much chisel those in stone right now because they aren't going to change barring significant injury.
I disagree on the Ward prediction. I think Ward ends up graduating this year and moves on with his life opening up a scholarship for someone else. Some guys are going to have to leave, it looks like we'll have a class of 25 and I count maybe 19 graduating scholarship seniors. The math doesn't add up. I think Ward ends up being one of those in addition to Harris who has already left.
On the OL, no doubt in my mind that Waechter ends up in the two deeps, maybe as the first guy in if we have an injury. I think it will go Ike, Myers, Daniels, Welsh, Croston.
On defense, if Ott doesn't get his extra year and Mends and Hockaday continue to progress at a high rate, I wonder if we have any thoughts of adding 20 pounds to Bower's frame and make him a rush end.
On the OL, no doubt in my mind that Waechter ends up in the two deeps, maybe as the first guy in if we have an injury. I think it will go Ike, Myers, Daniels, Welsh, Croston.
On defense, if Ott doesn't get his extra year and Mends and Hockaday continue to progress at a high rate, I wonder if we have any thoughts of adding 20 pounds to Bower's frame and make him a rush end.
I live in NW Iowa and Waechter has talent. But, I have spoke to people at a Le Mars Gehlen tailgate as well as my cousin who played for HMS and all of them confirmed to me Waechter only played when he felt like it. Even before the injury senior season. And the fact his dad was coach allowed him to act like a "diva" according to the ex teammate for what my cousin told me.
Ive wondered the same about Bower because they have some good young LBs coming up and he isn't overtaking Niemann. He looked pretty good in the Raider package so I would how he would look adding another 20 pounds like you said and putting him in there on passing downs.
Well, admittedly, I've never seen him play and don't know him at all. My prediction is based off of conversations with two players on the current team that think he may be the best OL we have on our current roster.
Wouldn't be shocked to see a couple true freshman get snaps at defensive end and if farniok comes to Iowa wouldn't be shocked if he plays as a true freshman.
You could be right that Ward moves on after 4 years. I have no idea. That was the one big feel good type story that I saw on the roster and good Iowa teams usually have a couple of those.
Regarding Waechter, if he is a D1 talent playing at HMS he could play every play at 50% and still dominate the 180 pound DL he is going up against...
For the record, I have no facts on Ward either, just a hunch. It's just my opinion that if a kid is a red-shirt junior and still hasn't made the two deeps, he may just not be D1 material. It's been a little disappointing for me, I was expecting him to be much more involved by now. Sometimes things just don't work out I guess.
Nice to see he has his head straight. Sounded like a crybaby his senior year from what my cousin told me. ( wacheter )
So your cousin gives you his opinion about a Hawk player as a high school kid and you feel the need to state in multiple post that the kid has an attitude problem. Cool.
Wrong on Daniels and CJ
Daniels is NFL type if he stays healthy below the knees. Shonne Greene had a decent career and Daniels is better.
Stanzi and Banks were as good if not better than CJ. Close with all 3 but senior year will determine best.
Daniels is not better than Shonn Greene. That is a ridiculous statement. He is probably the 3rd best back on this years team.
It's almost like KF checked with me before releasing the Jan 2016 depth chart
Jan 2016
SE - Jerminic Smith, Jay Scheel
LT - Cole Croston, Boone Myers
LG - Boone Myers, Ryan Ward
C - James Daniels, Steve Ferentz
RG - Sean Welsh, Keegan Render
RT - Ike Boettger, Dalton Ferguson
TE - George Kittle, Jameer Outsey
WR - Matt VandeBerg, Riley McCarron
WR - Riley McCarron, Adrian Falconer
QB - C.J. Beathard, Tyler Wiegers
RB - LeShun Daniels, Akrum Wadley/Derrick Mitchell
FB - Drake Kulick, Brady Ross
DE - Matt Nelson, Sam Brincks
DT - Jaleel Johnson, Faith Ekakitie
DT - Nathan Bazata, Kyle Terlouw
DE - Parker Hesse, Anthony Nelson
OLB - Ben Niemann, Bo Bower
MLB - Josey Jewell, Jack Hockaday
WLB - Aaron Mends, Jack Hockaday
CB - Greg Mabin, Maurice Fleming
CB - Desmond King, Josh Jackson
SS - Miles Taylor, Anthony Gair
FS - Brandon Snyder, Jake Gervase
Where's Wacheter now on the 2 deeps huh?? Thought he was the best one who sat out last year. Like I said hope the kid has his head on straight.
I keep hearing about how we are missing a deep threat to our offense. I wonder how the New England Patriots seem to do it without one.
Maybe Iowa should incorporate pick plays and hb screens into their offense. Seems to work in the NFL all the time.
What does a freshman who is coming off of surgery not being in the 2-deeps have to do with you claiming multiple times that he has an attitude problem?
The fact we have someone on here saying Daniels is better than Greene is laughable. He certainly didn't look better than Greene the first game this year when he was healthy. He wasn't stronger, faster, and certainly didn't have vision. A little contact is usually enough to bring him down and he's not so good at avoiding it.
Point is the guy had a major attitude problem just 2 and 3 years ago. Told his daddy the coach he didn't feel like playing in a few games jr and sr year. Took plays off during junior year when he was the stud of the team. And when his team needed him the most. More than one person at HMS told me this .Want to know if he carried it over into college. Some guys never shake it and even carry it into NFL.
He is a really good special teams guy and a guy that should push for playing time. Great guy to have on the team. I just don't think he has the speed or athleticism to compete against the above average skill guys. I think Mends brings a lot of athleticism to that position we haven't seen in a while.
Guy was hurt senior yr I get it. But, if it takes another full season to heal from surgery. Then consider him a wasted scholly.
