Anyone think Fran will hightail it out of IC for East?

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Could we get Fred Hoiberg?

I know you're kidding and this is off the wall but what is it with our posters always suggesting that our next coach should be from a rival school that is having more success?

Some idiot fans think Cael Sanderson needs to be our next wrestling coach. Many wanted fat Bret Bielema as our next football coach, and some still do, but not as many after this past year.

I'm sure in the next few years we'll even see a few people suggest we hire Steve Prohm if they continue to beat Iowa and have more success.......

And they're not kidding, either.

 

[83Hawk]

Fran has not shown himself to be a big time coach. He is better suited to mid major level. He and his players are not built to withstand the rigors of playing top flight teams week in and week out.

 

[hawkeyemark]

Where would he go?

Syracuse is the only major job opening up soon, but they have a replacement in Hopkins lined up.
Maybe Boston College in a couple years?
Providence has a long term fix at coach
Kevin Ollie might go NBA, but he has a big cushion at uconn with the ring
St. John's just hired chris mullin
Seton hall's coach just won big east coach of the year
Rutgers is not a major program, they are horrible beyond words
JT3 is not getting fired from Georgetown
Jay Wright is a lifer at Villanova
Tiurgeon on is pretty secure at Maryland

Maybe the Temple job of Dunphy gets fired? But temple has no money and only pay their coach $600k?

He is not going to leave Iowa for an Atlantic ten or colonial or patriot league job.

Not much talk about it but Rutgers just hired the Stony Brook coach- very good hire IMO. They have a very solid AD now who has made good hires in both football and basketball. I don't see them continuing to hang around the Big Ten cellar down the road.

 

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

This seems crazy. Yes these guys are soft and obviously we aren't recruiting great players. On the other hand he inherited a program that was at the bottom of a death spiral.

The McC recruits are better players on campus since the Alford class of 06. The 07 roster had a couple of decent players but almost everyone else was awful. The program was in chaos with transfers and collapses. Then came Lick.

Let's step back from the edge and see what happens the next couple seasons before we start running the guy out of town for only reaching levels of success we haven't seen in almost 20 years.

Amen, Brother. The Lick years were exceedingly painful to watch and it was the nail in the coffin that had me cursing Gary Barta's name. I still do not like Gary Barta nor his management but at least he finally got a BB practice facility on campus.

When Lickless put his kid on Iowa's roster and you heard all the stories about Lickless's refusal to meet the public or recruit hard, you knew he was the wrong candidate and Iowa was in trouble. Iowa's Alford years weren't much to brag about either.

Personally, I believe Fran's staff needs a shake up outside Sherman. Some new recruiting and coaching blood might awaken the troops. With Minnesota, Missouri and Illinois state MBB programs in decay, Iowa should be headway and quit settling for just instate fallbacks. Iowa produces about one or two good D1 players a year and that's it.

 

[ncaaball]

Not much talk about it but Rutgers just hired the Stony Brook coach- very good hire IMO. They have a very solid AD now who has made good hires in both football and basketball. I don't see them continuing to hang around the Big Ten cellar down the road.

They just hired the stony brook guy, who is now he lowest paid coach in the big ten, and makes less then all the east coast big east coaches as well as the other good programs in Syracuse and uconn. That guy has no chance of turning the corner at Rutgers.

I know everyone likes to hype he new hires, but Pikiell just committed career suicide. He will be lucky to make it six years, and will be lucky to finish with a career 40% win%, and his next job will most certainly be a lower conference job.

Everytime Rutgers hires a new coach we hear about how awesome the guy will do. But that program is such a disaster, no facilities, people in the northeast don't respect the school, horrible hoops stigma. And they are not set up to succeed in the big ten, how are they going to recruit northeast kids while playing in the big ten? It will be like Boston college in the acc. You can argue that the big ten or acc are better than the big east, but it is a lot easier to recruit northeast kids to big east schools (keep in mind all the good northeast basketballhigh schools are catholic schools). Telling a kid that they get to fly to Michigan or Ohio to play hoops is not exactly a good pitch when recruiting a kid from the Bronx.

Rutgers is a solid last place team in the big ten for many many years. Indiana has a better chance of winning a big ten football title than Rutgers does of making the NCAA tournament in the next decade.

 

[BigHAWK8]

Doubt Not a Ska... Two Tone Band from California. Featured Gwen Stefania(?) Plenty of hope and OK if you are a dope.

Someone's been hitting the retard sauce this morning.

 

[hawkeyemark]

They just hired the stony brook guy, who is now he lowest paid coach in the big ten, and makes less then all the east coast big east coaches as well as the other good programs in Syracuse and uconn. That guy has no chance of turning the corner at Rutgers.

I know everyone likes to hype he new hires, but Pikiell just committed career suicide. He will be lucky to make it six years, and will be lucky to finish with a career 40% win%, and his next job will most certainly be a lower conference job.

Everytime Rutgers hires a new coach we hear about how awesome the guy will do. But that program is such a disaster, no facilities, people in the northeast don't respect the school, horrible hoops stigma. And they are not set up to succeed in the big ten, how are they going to recruit northeast kids while playing in the big ten? It will be like Boston college in the acc. You can argue that the big ten or acc are better than the big east, but it is a lot easier to recruit northeast kids to big east schools (keep in mind all the good northeast high schools are catholic schools). Telling a kid that they get to fly to Michigan or Ohio to play hoops is not exactly a good pitch when recruiting a kid from the Bronx.

How do we not know that Rutgers won't start spending money on facilities when the BTN revenues start flowing? This represents their first new hire as part of the Big Ten so the past seems irrelevant. IMO telling a kid from the Bronx he will play in one of the best conferences in the country for a coach that has a good track record does not seem like a hard sell even though you compete with the good programs out east for talent. I thought Rutgers seemed serious about athletics when they brought in the AD from Seton Hall who made just a great hire in football bringing in the defensive coordinator from Ohio State. Whether they become a major player or not who knows but it doesn't make sense to write them off IMO.

 

[Scott559]

You can get really lucky in hiring a coach, But the bottom line is you have to build the infrastructure for a program to succeed long term, Iowa is still needing to work on the foundation of their basketball program in regard to competing with the upper echelon teams in the Big. Until Rutgers or any other school truly make a commitment to building the program they will likely be destined for failure.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Better question would be what decent program would want to hire a guy that's been blown out in the second round of the tournament two years in a row?

And late season collapses 2 out of the last 3 years. Marshall at Wichita State is a much more desirable candidate, imo, for teams looking for a new coach. Dixon leave Pitt for TCU....no way.

 

[BigHAWK8]

I know you're kidding and this is off the wall but what is it with our posters always suggesting that our next coach should be from a rival school that is having more success?

Some idiot fans think Cael Sanderson needs to be our next wrestling coach. Many wanted fat Bret Bielema as our next football coach, and some still do, but not as many after this past year.

I'm sure in the next few years we'll even see a few people suggest we hire Steve Prohm if they continue to beat Iowa and have more success.......

And they're not kidding, either.

Well you're kind of stupid if you can't understand the first two of your examples.

Cael is the greatest wrestling coach of his generation and went to school at Clown U, just like Gable did. Not real hard to connect the dots there.

Biels played at Iowa, has a Hawkeye tatoo, hates ISU, plays an appealing, Midwestern-style of football, and made 3 consecutive Rose Bowls, and has the emotional swagger that is the complete opposite of people that are tired of the understated, overly-humble KF regime.

You have to be real dumb not to get the appeal of both guys.

 

[oldman101]

I watched his Saturday press conference, I liked what I saw. I think he knows what iowa's recruiting strengths are and he likes his ability to get it done.

Also, the big ten is a league where you just have to finish in the top half and you dance. With teams like northwestern penn state, Minnesota, Nebraska, Rutgers, he is already starting in a good position to finish top half.

This is a good fit for him and the school.

Speaking of recruiting the last Mcdonald's All-American to be recruited to Iowa was Chris Kingsbury way back in 1993. Recruiting at Iowa has always been a tough sell. Most likely always will be.

 

[CAhawki]

Better question would be what decent program would want to hire a guy that's been blown out in the second round of the tournament two years in a row?

Plenty of places that haven't sniffed the tournament...Its freaking amatuer hour around this place. Pull you head out.

 

[backinblack23]

Do I think Fran needs to evaluate and change some things yes, but it's not his fault the guys missed shots and were very lazy on defense. Woodbury and Gessel can't make a lay-up to save their butts. We all know Fran has a great eye for talent and he hasn't been able to close the deal on the big time recruits yet. I think Tyler Cook will add something next year we have greatly missed. A big that is athletic and can get up and finish around the rim. Williams might have a few more turnovers than Mikey G. but I'm willing to bet he will be a much better threat on the offensive side. We should be more athletic next year and hopefully the mental collapses will leave with this years class.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Well you're kind of stupid if you can't understand the first two of your examples.

Cael is the greatest wrestling coach of his generation and went to school at Clown U, just like Gable did. Not real hard to connect the dots there.

Biels played at Iowa, has a Hawkeye tatoo, hates ISU, plays an appealing, Midwestern-style of football, and made 3 consecutive Rose Bowls, and has the emotional swagger that is the complete opposite of people that are tired of the understated, overly-humble KF regime.

You have to be real dumb not to get the appeal of both guys.

You'd have to be real dumb to think they'd ever go to Iowa.

I understand the appeal just fine, and I didn't need to qualify that in my post. Have fun.

 

[BigHAWK8]

They just hired the stony brook guy, who is now he lowest paid coach in the big ten, and makes less then all the east coast big east coaches as well as the other good programs in Syracuse and uconn. That guy has no chance of turning the corner at Rutgers.

I know everyone likes to hype he new hires, but Pikiell just committed career suicide. He will be lucky to make it six years, and will be lucky to finish with a career 40% win%, and his next job will most certainly be a lower conference job.

Everytime Rutgers hires a new coach we hear about how awesome the guy will do. But that program is such a disaster, no facilities, people in the northeast don't respect the school, horrible hoops stigma. And they are not set up to succeed in the big ten, how are they going to recruit northeast kids while playing in the big ten? It will be like Boston college in the acc. You can argue that the big ten or acc are better than the big east, but it is a lot easier to recruit northeast kids to big east schools (keep in mind all the good northeast basketballhigh schools are catholic schools). Telling a kid that they get to fly to Michigan or Ohio to play hoops is not exactly a good pitch when recruiting a kid from the Bronx.

Rutgers is a solid last place team in the big ten for many many years. Indiana has a better chance of winning a big ten football title than Rutgers does of making the NCAA tournament in the next decade.

They also have easily the worst football staff in the league outside of Purdue now that Illinois hired Lovie.

That school is just destined to be a perennial cellar-dwellar in the B1G. Absolutely no history or tradition in anything (outside of women's bball), poor financial support from alumni and basically no interest from the state/local community, and mentioned above, awful facilities, particularly in basketball. It will become like Minnesota (all sports) and Illinois/Maryland football, people for the next several decades will proclaim "if they can only get the right coach in there to keep some of the local talent home, they would become a sleeping giant. Look out."

It's fool's gold.

 

[BigHAWK8]

How do we not know that Rutgers won't start spending money on facilities when the BTN revenues start flowing? This represents their first new hire as part of the Big Ten so the past seems irrelevant. IMO telling a kid from the Bronx he will play in one of the best conferences in the country for a coach that has a good track record does not seem like a hard sell even though you compete with the good programs out east for talent. I thought Rutgers seemed serious about athletics when they brought in the AD from Seton Hall who made just a great hire in football bringing in the defensive coordinator from Ohio State. Whether they become a major player or not who knows but it doesn't make sense to write them off IMO.

How is that football hire "just great?"

Because he's from Iowa? His assistant coaching staff looks like a total joke.

 

[BigHAWK8]

You'd have to be real dumb to think they'd ever go to Iowa.

I understand the appeal just fine, and I didn't need to qualify that in my post. Have fun.

Never said they would come here, dickhead. You were blaming the fanbase for even wanting them.

And I'm not so sure about Biels someday, assuming he flames out at Arky. Not likely to happen anytime soon, obviously, and certainly not if Barta is still the AD.

 

[TheRealHerky]

Fran brought us out of the basement in short order. The climb to the top floors takes more time. Be patient.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

i could see Stanford approaching fran

 

[as024]

How do we not know that Rutgers won't start spending money on facilities when the BTN revenues start flowing? This represents their first new hire as part of the Big Ten so the past seems irrelevant. IMO telling a kid from the Bronx he will play in one of the best conferences in the country for a coach that has a good track record does not seem like a hard sell even though you compete with the good programs out east for talent. I thought Rutgers seemed serious about athletics when they brought in the AD from Seton Hall who made just a great hire in football bringing in the defensive coordinator from Ohio State. Whether they become a major player or not who knows but it doesn't make sense to write them off IMO.

No offense, but in the northeast the big ten is nit viewed as a better conference than the big east. And he is going to be recruiting kids to play at a horrible program against a bunch of Midwest schools while Chris Mullin and Kevin Willard are recruiting with the pitch of playing in awesome arenas against northeast traditional powers.

The acc is a better conference than the big east. But as you see, it hasn't helped Boston college as they can't recruit kids to go play in a southern conference.

Also, Rutgers is not going to be spending more money in the big ten. You realize they ran almost $40 mill in the red for athletics in the big east? Even when the big ten checks come rolling in that won't cover their current defecit, and their new school legislature has demanded they have a balanced athletic dept budget within five years.

Also, big ten basketball doesn't have more money than the big east teams nor uconn or Syracuse. The on,y big east schools that Iowa has a larger operating budget than (Iowa is $6.8 mill) are the three new ones, which will soon be up in the $8-10 mill range with the other schools. Rutgers currently has a lower basketball budget than all ten big east schools

And what is this guy's good track recordL. He won some games at stony brook? Look at the track records of who is has to recruit against in the northeast. Two national champion coaches, another pair of final four coaches, and a bunc of coaches with NCAA tournament wins on their resume. Heck, he is a lighter weight compared to Phil Martelli at this point.

You are a fool if you buy into this Rutgers coaching hire

 

[as024]

You realize that Rutgers offered to double the university of rhode island's coaching salary and he still said no. Said Rutgers was career suicide m

Fred hill and Mike rice both looked like much better hires than Pikiell.

 

[OC_Hawk]

No offense, but in the northeast the big ten is nit viewed as a better conference than the big east. And he is going to be recruiting kids to play at a horrible program against a bunch of Midwest schools while Chris Mullin and Kevin Willard are recruiting with the pitch of playing in awesome arenas against northeast traditional powers.

The acc is a better conference than the big east. But as you see, it hasn't helped Boston college as they can't recruit kids to go play in a southern conference.

Also, Rutgers is not going to be spending more money in the big ten. You realize they ran almost $40 mill in the red for athletics in the big east? Even when the big ten checks come rolling in that won't cover their current defecit, and their new school legislature has demanded they have a balanced athletic dept budget within five years.

Also, big ten basketball doesn't have more money than the big east teams nor uconn or Syracuse. The on,y big east schools that Iowa has a larger operating budget than (Iowa is $6.8 mill) are the three new ones, which will soon be up in the $8-10 mill range with the other schools. Rutgers currently has a lower basketball budget than all ten big east schools

And what is this guy's good track recordL. He won some games at stony brook? Look at the track records of who is has to recruit against in the northeast. Two national champion coaches, another pair of final four coaches, and a bunc of coaches with NCAA tournament wins on their resume. Heck, he is a lighter weight compared to Phil Martelli at this point.

You are a fool if you buy into this Rutgers coaching hire

Honest question...
You've mentioned operating budgets quite a few times over the past few days. What all does a school's operating budget consist of? What is that money buying them? I can't imagine something like facilities are included in an annual budget. So what is it that the higher expense is buying them? I'm legitimately curious.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Never said they would come here, dickhead. (See, unlike you, I wasn't specifically talking to you when I said "dumb".......jackass.) You were blaming the fanbase for even wanting them. (Yeah....I am. I understand the appeal, and I will still blame them for wanting them, and not just as some fandom pipe dream, but for realistically thinking Iowa would hire them. Deal with it.)

And I'm not so sure about Biels someday, assuming he flames out at Arky. Not likely to happen anytime soon, obviously, and certainly not if Barta is still the AD. (Like I said, the luster wore off over the course of this past season.)

 

[BigHAWK8]

Honest question...
You've mentioned operating budgets quite a few times over the past few days. What all does a school's operating budget consist of? What is that money buying them? I can't imagine something like facilities are included in an annual budget. So what is it that the higher expense is buying them? I'm legitimately curious.

Support staff, recruiting budget (probably a huge factor), travel/hotel costs, etc.

 

[Herkuleez]

Rutgers is a solid last place team in the big ten for many many years. Indiana has a better chance of winning a big ten football title than Rutgers does of making the NCAA tournament in the next decade.

Hmmmm, I'll take that bet.

 

[BigHAWK8]

Like I said, the luster wore off over the course of this past season.)

So he has one shitty season, and the "luster is off?"

How many shitty seasons has Kirk had in the last decade? What will your opinion of Kirk be if he fails to get his next team back into the Top 10 with an overwhelming amount of returning contributors, something that he has failed to do on multiple occasions in his Iowa tenure?

You can't possibly be serious with this shit.

 

[hawkeyemark]

I made a casual comment about Rutgers having filled its coaching vacancy which has become its own topic which I didn't intend. To the football side I didn't know that Chris Ash has an Iowa connection but he seemed very well regarded as Ohio State's co-defensive coordinator and a promising up and comer in the coaching ranks. Obviously people think Rutgers will stay mired in mediocrity and they might but I see that school as having much potential. They can always find corporate funding for their athletic programs which has connections to the school. I just think the game changes when you join a Power 5 conference and they have at least hired a seemingly good AD who IMO has made a couple good hires.

 

[BigHAWK8]

I made a casual comment about Rutgers having filled its coaching vacancy which has become its own topic which I didn't intend. To the football side I didn't know that Chris Ash has an Iowa connection but he seemed very well regarded as Ohio State's co-defensive coordinator and a promising up and comer in the coaching ranks. Obviously people think Rutgers will stay mired in mediocrity and they might but I see that school as having much potential. They can always find corporate funding for their athletic programs which has connections to the school. I just think the game changes when you join a Power 5 conference at they have at least hired a seemingly good AD who IMO has made a couple good hires.

So a "prominising up and comer" makes him a great hire?

Steve Alford and Todd Licklighter say hello. Both were very well regarded before coming to Iowa. So was Frank Lauterbur.

 

[as024]

Honest question...
You've mentioned operating budgets quite a few times over the past few days. What all does a school's operating budget consist of? What is that money buying them? I can't imagine something like facilities are included in an annual budget. So what is it that the higher expense is buying them? I'm legitimately curious.

Coaching salary (including assistants)
Recruiting
Travel expenses
Team marketing, or type stuff
Player scholarships, room and board
Training facilities
Facility rentals
Body bag buy games

Similar to football but much smaller scale. Coaching salaries are a big chunk, but the training facilities and such at the big east school are incredible. And they don't share with football. It's like a private country club for those twelve hoops players. Big ten facilities I, sure are amazing as well, but the hoops focused facilities won't be any better than the big east facilities.

School like Rutgers has to start running a a balanced budget. And generally most of the big ten schools (not Michigan state or Indiana,but others), really out as much as they can into football (Rutgers is doing that too, they just don't have much). But for the big east, the hoops product is essential. The schools will lose money in hoops if they have to. St. John's operating budget has almost doubled the past row years to over ten million. They aren't earning ten million, more like eight or nine, but they don't mind losing money on hoops. DePaul too. A school like Rutgers can't do that. Penn State has tons of money but they have never had a basketball operating budget comparable to most big east teams.

If Georgetown or providence has to take a five million dollar hit to find hoops, that's nothing. It's worth it to those schools. For Rutgers to do so would really cut into their bottom line m

 

[as024]

I made a casual comment about Rutgers having filled its coaching vacancy which has become its own topic which I didn't intend. To the football side I didn't know that Chris Ash has an Iowa connection but he seemed very well regarded as Ohio State's co-defensive coordinator and a promising up and comer in the coaching ranks. Obviously people think Rutgers will stay mired in mediocrity and they might but I see that school as having much potential. They can always find corporate funding for their athletic programs which has connections to the school. I just think the game changes when you join a Power 5 conference and they have at least hired a seemingly good AD who IMO has made a couple good hires.

You don't think Rutgers has been in a major conference the past twenty years?

What conference has Penn State been in the last twenty years?

And power 5 is a football term. There are six major hoops conferences, and to call schools like uconn mid major would be among the dumbest things ever posted in a message board. Heck, half the Atlantic ten is better than the bottom half of the power five at hoops.

 

[hawkeyemark]

So a "prominising up and comer" makes him a great hire?

Steve Alford and Todd Licklighter say hello. Both were very well regarded before coming to Iowa. So was Frank Lauterbur.

Let's see how it pans out and get this thread back on topic. I didn't mean to steer it off but have had some help

 

[as024]

Hmmmm, I'll take that bet.

Sure

Do we put our money in escrow and we pay out in six years when Pikiell is fired? How much are we getting? A billion dollars?

 

[as024]

Getting this back on topic:

School like Rutgers has no chance. They have no recruiting base to draw from. They are geographically isolated, and there is too much other competition from other schools. And they are recruiting to a conference that doesn't get much play out east.

School like Iowa has a chance. They have a recruiting base that the coach knows how to work. They can attract a certain type of player that fits the system. They have a coach who has tons of experience. They recruit an area where the chance to play in the big ten is a great recruiting pitch.

iowa, with whoever their coach is, has a great advantage in general because you guys will usually start the season ahead of four or five big ten teams out of the gate. You already have one foot in the dance. Fran just has to keep you consistent and the special seasons will come.

 

[Herkuleez]

Sure

Do we put our money in escrow and we pay out in six years when Pikiell is fired? How much are we getting? A billion dollars?

Nah, I think a simple loser leaves town is fine.

Should the Hoosiers win the BT football title before Rutgers makes it to the Dance then you win and I'll leave the board, vice versa and you leave.

Bet is off in 10 years should neither team achieve the stated accomplishment.

And go....

 

[bagdropper]

Back on track...

It would not surprise me at all Fran left. Really wouldn't. That being said, I don't think he does. But something tells me if called, he might listen if it's out east.

 

[Speedway1]

Fran's wife is from Minneapolis. They love IC.

Seriously doubt he is looking or that any one is looking at him!!! Don't want to get another Lick! Careful what you wish for.

 

[as024]

Back on track...

It would not surprise me at all Fran left. Really wouldn't. That being said, I don't think he does. But something tells me if called, he might listen if it's out east.

But where out east would he go?

Syracuse? They are replacing Beoheim with Hopkins after next season
UConn? If Kevin Ollie goes to the NBA maybe he is a candidate, but they have so many Calhoun disciples out there that Fran would be a long shot
Villanova? Jay is younger than Fran and not going anywhere
Georgetown? JT3 is younger than Fran and not going anywhere
St. John's? Just hired a legend from their program
Providence? Cooley is a providence guy, he is like jay writ and john Thompson in that he's probably not going anywhere

The only jobs that could open up in the next half decade would be:
Seton Hall if Willard goes elsewhere. But I don't know if that will happen, but maybe he would be an option
Boston college, but their new guy is going to get at least a few years
Rutgers is the ultimate dead end job. Why would he go there?
Temple doesn't have any money for coaches, but maybe? Dunphy will probably be gone in a few years.
Maybe a saint josephs job if Martelli leaves. But again, martelli is a sju lifer and he's Fran's age.
Maryland could be a real threat to take a coach like Fran if they wanted him, but their current guy seems to have found his groove in college park.

The east coast coaching scene is surprisingly stable right now. I just don't see any openings even that would potentially open up.


This discussion is sort of like saying that the Indiana Pacers coach would love to coach in New England, but red Auerbach doesn't plan on retiring in the next decade.

 

[Herkuleez]

Seriously doubt he is looking or that any one is looking at him!!! Don't want to get another Lick! Careful what you wish for.

Jeeebus fock I really hate people who think this way.

 

[hawkeyemark]

Iowa has quite a bit going for it sitting in the original original heartland of the conference outside Chicago. We don't have the talent base at home to sustain a Big Ten program and Fran has worked his butt off in recruiting with somewhat mixed results. Does he want to continue to have to work this hard just to sustain the level where we sit? Who knows but coaching a level down in a part of the country where he has many connections and grew up might seem appealing if the right circumstance came along. It all seems pretty complicated as the family situation plays a huge role in what he does from here as well.

 

[jdv77]

I don't think that he is going anywhere. Nor do I want him to go. He has done exactly what we all were hoping for, in getting Iowa back to the ncaa tournament. I don't think he has peaked here.