Apparently the HMB went through the wrong gate...

[Hawk24]

Regarding the "swinging of the instruments,".....let's not misunderstand this as some sort of aggressive move, swinging instruments like weapons in an effort to clear the way or potentially injure fans. The band was marching to their drum series, which is a choreographed march to a series of drum cadences designed to keep the band in step and in marching formation in an attempt to keep everyone together and not allow fans to cut through the band. The swinging of the instruments in part of the marching/choreography and not an aggressive move or a 'weaponization' of the instruments.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I think you're wrong. I suspect you have not seen the video of the band's exit and/or are unfamiliar with the stadium

Are you talking about that video taken a mile away that shows nothing except a mob of people and band members? What the heck does that prove?

I have no reason to question the facilities guy who said the band was told to go out the NE exit.

Yeah, I've heard that the irate "Get your f'ing band off the field" dude is extremely trustworthy, and would never tell Pollard something in order to cover his own ass.

If the Iowa band director disputes the assertion that he was told to use the NE exit, that puts a different light on the matter and it becomes a question of which you believe. As far as I know, he has thus far declined comment.

Yeah, that's what you do when you're under gag order and waiting to prepare an appropriate and calculated presentation, not calling a hasty press conference with your police stooge at your side and saying "It was the band's/victims' fault, refusing to follow orders, marching aggressively and swinging their instruments like machetes."

There is a difference between excusing something and explaining it. I should have realized it was too subtle a distinction to attempt making it on this board at this time. That's on me. Hopefully, cooler heads will sort some of this out in the coming weeks.

Your problem is that you repeatedly claim to believe it was ISU facilities folks' responsibility to have the band exit safely, but you also are putting plenty of blame on the band themselves and making excuses for the assaults. You're going to look as foolish as Pollard will when all is said and done.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Your ignorance of the English language is not surprising. But I'm curious about something.

What part of "Does this excuse anything that happened? Absolutely no." did you find too complex to grasp?

Were you personally privy to the instructions given to the HMB? Because the whole "they disregarded the instructions to leave through the 'correct' gate" has been repudiated by all posters on this thread claiming to personally know the HMB director or some of the band personnel. And I have yet to read anything in the media that anyone associated with the HMB is confirming these instructions were in fact given. In fact, the opposite has been claimed.

The only thing I've read from the other side is that ISU officials cussed at them, a couple allegedly got physical, and told them to get the f*** off the field.

We have a lot of conflicting anecdotal evidence here. So, why are you convinced "the wrong gate" theory is the correct one?

To me, the amount of tribalism that has gone into addressing what should be a non-divisive issue (for sane people) is evidence enough for me this series should be cancelled.

 

[Pepperman]

To me, the amount of tribalism that has gone into addressing what should be a non-divisive issue (for sane people) is evidence enough for me this series should be cancelled.

Beyond that, Pollard is outright telling LIES, as was the police guy. Keep in mind originally the ISU line was that there weren't even any "skirmishes" but then in the press conference the police guy got caught in that lie.

Why would we associate with a bunch of lying asshats? End. The. Series. Screw ISU and force them to travel for home and homes with MAC teams.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Beyond that, Pollard is outright telling LIES, as was the police guy. Keep in mind originally the ISU line was that there weren't even any "skirmishes" but then in the press conference the police guy got caught in that lie.

Why would we associate with a bunch of lying asshats? End. The. Series. Screw ISU and force them to travel for home and homes with MAC teams.

Sorry, I was writing under the assumption that it had already been well established that Jamie Pollard is an absolute piece of shit.

 

[BAJDHawkeye]

Ok, here’s what happened according to the info that’s been released ) the email) and what I am aware of through reviewing the HMB Directors’ letter and speaking with my daughter and others, in simple terms.

The band was waiting on the field. The Facilities Director got pissed and told them to leave. THE ONLY INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE HMB DIRECTOR ABOUT LEAVING TRICE WAS WHERE THE BUSSES WOULD BE. The band marched directly to their busses. The busses were told to park and get the band at what everyone from ISU knew was a very congested area but didn’t bother to convey that to the band. Bad things resulted.

And to be clear about the manner of exit, the Sousaphones always lead, followed by the drum line the the rest of the band. (. I’ve seen several posts where ISU folks think the susies were intentionally moved to the front from their regular position to clear a path). The band never plays while exiting a stadium. Not at Kinnick Not at Trice. Not after bowl games. The drum line plays their cadences and that’s it. ( Pollard said they were playing the fight song while marching-false). As a previous poster stated, band members do have movements while marching; swinging shoulders and bobbing up and down. They know not to get crazy so they don’t hit anything or anyone, or damage their instruments. Hardly a wild horde of out of control aggressive marchers as portrayed...

 

[Rifler]

They know not to get crazy so they don’t hit anything or anyone, or damage their instruments. Hardly a wild horde of out of control aggressive marchers as portrayed...

I don't know,... the sousaphones look sort of active around the 1:10 minute mark on the video....

 

[M3 ME PLEASE]

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[HawkRugged17]

I don't know,... the sousaphones look sort of active around the 1:10 minute mark on the video....

 

[CJ_Lucky]

And how many seats were removed?

Hey dumbass, u clearly know the answer so just post it rather than asking the same question over and over. And nobody cares besides u. U feel like u have this big “gotcha” point and are so PROUD

 

[dirtypool]

 

[Lone Clone]

Regarding the "swinging of the instruments,".....let's not misunderstand this as some sort of aggressive move, swinging instruments like weapons in an effort to clear the way or potentially injure fans. The band was marching to their drum series, which is a choreographed march to a series of drum cadences designed to keep the band in step and in marching formation in an attempt to keep everyone together and not allow fans to cut through the band. The swinging of the instruments in part of the marching/choreography and not an aggressive move or a 'weaponization' of the instruments.

I realize that, and I think anybody who sees the video understands what was happening. But do you think it was really a good thing to do in that situation?

 

[Lone Clone]

Were you personally privy to the instructions given to the HMB? Because the whole "they disregarded the instructions to leave through the 'correct' gate" has been repudiated by all posters on this thread claiming to personally know the HMB director or some of the band personnel. And I have yet to read anything in the media that anyone associated with the HMB is confirming these instructions were in fact given. In fact, the opposite has been claimed.

The only thing I've read from the other side is that ISU officials cussed at them, a couple allegedly got physical, and told them to get the f*** off the field.

We have a lot of conflicting anecdotal evidence here. So, why are you convinced "the wrong gate" theory is the correct one?

To me, the amount of tribalism that has gone into addressing what should be a non-divisive issue (for sane people) is evidence enough for me this series should be cancelled.

No, I was not personally involved at all. I am innocent. Of that, anyway.

Until about an hour ago, I had not seen anything from the Iowa people disputing the claim that they had been told to use the NE gate. Since that was the logical gate to use for a couple of reasons, I saw no reason to question it.

 

[iahawks10]

I realize that, and I think anybody who sees the video understands what was happening. But do you think it was really a good thing to do in that situation?

To follow your police escort? Yeah, I’d assume all participants were free from fear of being physically assaulted.

Carry on with the passive victim blaming.

 

[MikeyHawk]

No, I was not personally involved at all. I am innocent. Of that, anyway.

Until about an hour ago, I had not seen anything from the Iowa people disputing the claim that they had been told to use the NE gate. Since that was the logical gate to use for a couple of reasons, I saw no reason to question it.

So, at Kinnick, if someone went out of NW gate instead of the NE gate, where the visitors section is, that would mean something and outcomes would not be surprising?

 

[Lone Clone]

So, at Kinnick, if someone went out of NW gate instead of the NE gate, where the visitors section is, that would mean something and outcomes would not be surprising?

I don't understand what you are saying here.

 

[Hawk24]

I realize that, and I think anybody who sees the video understands what was happening. But do you think it was really a good thing to do in that situation?

To move a large group of people, separated by distance, through a noisy environment and attempt to keep them coordinated and together in a cohesive group...yes.

 

[Lone Clone]

To move a large group of people, separated by distance, through a noisy environment and attempt to keep them coordinated and together in a cohesive group...yes.

Sorry, gotta disagree that it was appropriate in this case, or for that matter, that it was appropriate to use the only gate where people were jammed up. I think maybe it might help to put yourself in the position of being one of the people in the crowd.

Probably time to repeat for the umpteenth time that none of this excuses any abuse directed at the band.

 

[Hawk24]

Sorry, gotta disagree that it was appropriate in this case, or for that matter, that it was appropriate to use the only gate where people were jammed up. I think maybe it might help to put yourself in the position of being one of the people in the crowd.

Probably time to repeat for the umpteenth time that none of this excuses any abuse directed at the band.

I think it might help to put yourself in the situation of one of the people in the band.

And again...it may not have been "appropriate" to use that specific gate, but without specific instruction and being unfamiliar with which gates are typically jammed and which are not (how is a visiting director supposed to know that without specific guidance?), and being rudely forced to immediately move somewhere else by an ISU administrator, the HMB director made the best possible decision with the information that was available to him at that time.

We can all sit here 2 weeks later and say "they should have done this or they should have done that" but I think it would be more prudent to think that maybe, just maybe, the people who were there did the best they could in that specific situation with the information that was available to them and we might want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And if you've never been a member in a band in a similar situation and understand how it works and how the leaders think or have ever been responsible for the coordinated and safe movement of more than 250 people as a unit...you might also want to consider that others might know one helluva lot more about it than you do.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think it might help to put yourself in the situation of one of the people in the band.

And again...it may not have been "appropriate" to use that specific gate, but without specific instruction and being unfamiliar with which gates are typically jammed and which are not (how is a visiting director supposed to know that without specific guidance?), and being rudely forced to immediately move somewhere else by an ISU administrator, the HMB director made the best possible decision with the information that was available to him at that time.

We can all sit here 2 weeks later and say "they should have done this or they should have done that" but I think it would be more prudent to think that maybe, just maybe, the people who were there did the best they could in that specific situation with the information that was available to them and we might want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And if you've never been a member in a band in a similar situation and understand how it works and how the leaders think or have ever been responsible for the coordinated and safe movement of more than 250 people as a unit...you might also want to consider that others might know one helluva lot more about it than you do.

Well, you're right about hindsight, which could cover the actions of a number of people. If an ISU employee told them to get the F*** off the field, he should have at least pointed at the proper exit. And, being unfamiliar with the stadium, the band director should have asked where to go.

Yes, they were unfamiliar with the stadium. However, they had been told what gate to use when they entered, and they had used the appropriate (NE) gate when they left the stadium during the storm. The video appears to show some of the group -- cheers? Poms? -- starting for that gate when they left, then seeing the body of the band headed for the other gate and changing their route.

Yet again......does not excuse any abuses.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I think it might help to put yourself in the situation of one of the people in the band.

And again...it may not have been "appropriate" to use that specific gate, but without specific instruction and being unfamiliar with which gates are typically jammed and which are not (how is a visiting director supposed to know that without specific guidance?), and being rudely forced to immediately move somewhere else by an ISU administrator, the HMB director made the best possible decision with the information that was available to him at that time.

We can all sit here 2 weeks later and say "they should have done this or they should have done that" but I think it would be more prudent to think that maybe, just maybe, the people who were there did the best they could in that specific situation with the information that was available to them and we might want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And if you've never been a member in a band in a similar situation and understand how it works and how the leaders think or have ever been responsible for the coordinated and safe movement of more than 250 people as a unit...you might also want to consider that others might know one helluva lot more about it than you do.

But, but, but it was the wrong gate, nothing should have happened but they went out the wrong gate, it was their fault but it shouldn’t have happened, but it was their fault they used the wrong gate, just thought I would save LC a post.

 

[iahawks10]

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Pretty simple. If a visitor went out the wrong gate at Kinnick, they’d be subjected to justifiable assault.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Dumb band, choosing the Compton gate, rather than the Mayberry gate.

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

Should we call this new scandal “Gategate”?