And I'm advocating against your position.
It's odd that your position has been to push for a mob-rule government - but now you post that you don't really mean it because it isn't going to happen.
Are the Electoral College and Senate political welfare for small states?
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And I'm advocating against your position.
It's odd that your position has been to push for a mob-rule government - but now you post that you don't really mean it because it isn't going to happen.
Only because - like some of the nations we "liberated" - Americans are now very ignorant about how democracy works, what's going on in the world, and where our best interests lie.
For democracy to succeed, we need an informed and interested populace. We not only don't have that, we have people and organizations working 24/7 to make sure we are misinformed and apathetic.
Even today, with the fairly open primary process (open within the party, that is), there's not much chance that we'll see a Trump win. Head-to-head polls show that Trump loses to Cruz (groan) and also to Rubio (somewhat better). He does beat Bush, though. So the winnowing process hurts Trump's chances. Or so it seems at the present.
Nobody is pushing for mob rule. Nice dishonest straw man.
You, however, are supporting an increasingly oligarchic and fascist system. And that isn't a straw man because you argue against every suggestion to reverse that trend.
"Meant to be"? What does that even mean? Unless you are just reasserting and reinforcing your opposition to democracy.
It will be interesting to see how Trump does in the South. You'd think Southerners would hate a brash-talking, blue-blooded, Yankee from New York City.
No, he's advocating representative democracy. You know, the "no taxation without representation" thing? They didn't say "no taxation without a voter referendum."
Yes - you are. You keep preaching one person one vote - that is mob rule. We are a republic - and that's by design.
As for your oligarch/fascist system - that is happening because folks like you push for more centralized power in washington. Take ownership of that. Quit blaming small government people for what's happening in DC. I support states retaining rights as the way to combat corporate power and an overreaching federal government.
It's majority rule, not mob rule. Sheesh!
Apparently fascists can't see that obvious distinction. Moreover, it's majority rule with some very clear protections for minorities.
The Senate and the Electoral College are NOT part of the protection for minorities. They are protection for the elites. Those protections go along with others the founders built into our constitution - like how blacks and women were treated. We've corrected those antidemocratic vestiges. Now we need to finish the job.
The idea of states is not necessarily a bad idea. But the states we have today and the government distortions built to accommodate them are anachronisms that do not serve our society well.
Given the mess we have made of what we have I will take that bet.
The only way it would be successful is if you greatly reduced the influence of the federal government and gave more power to state governments.
Majority rule IS mob rule. No country of any notable stature in the history of the world has had true majority/democracy rule - so the fact you are advocating for it shows just how completely ignorant you are of history. Be thankful that our founders were 1000 times smarter than you and understood true democracy will never work.
The original constitution didn't deny anyone the right to vote - it was silent on the matter. At least get basic history right.
As for the senate and electoral college protecting the elites - I'm assuming that means everyone in Wyoming is elite? Is that your contention? What they really do is protect the states - as the individual states didn't want to cede power to the federal government without certain protections. We are a union of states - not one centralized power. Unfortunately, folks like you don't understand history. And that sort of ignorance has led to the centralized power structure in DC you are incorrectly characterizing as fascism. Not sure what your little noggin finds so fascinating about that word - but you sure like to use it.
As to your first question - yes, yes I do.
As to your second question - yes, yes I do.
As to your first question - yes, yes I do.
As to your second question - yes, yes I do.
Well, to be fair, Texas does have more influence than Iowa. But the structure of the senate helps keep states like California, New York and Texas from being bullies. If they want certain laws enacted for their people - they are free to have them in each of their states. And folks in Wyoming are free to do otherwise. That's part of what makes this country so successful - and fascinating.
nd never a voter's scandal in the State's history. Not one. A few ywears ago we had a right-wing Sec. of State investigate "numerous" complaints of voter fraud....he found about 20 cases and these cases all showed the voter was given incorrect information by their County election officials. I dealt with inappropriate voter ID. Unlike Florida, voters in Iowa are just occasionally ignorant...not criminal in intent.....and the voting officials in Iowa encourage folks to vote, and Iowa laws encourage its citizens to vote. .Apparently, Iowa doesn't demand anything at all. Walk up, register without any documentation whatsoever (not even proof you're at the right caucus-place based on residence), and caucus.
REALLY?
I would posit that a flawed list is better than no list.
It was done to preserve the idea that the United States is a union of sovereign states. While that concept still has merit today, America wouldn't be the "envy of the world" if the federal government had remained as weak as it was at the beginning of the republic.
The trend since independence, from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution and its later applications, has been towards larger federal government. It just makes more sense for it to handle certain things.
Especially when it doesn't exist. Voter fraud just has never been an issue in Iowa, ever. Iowan's are not cut out that way.
Did you read? The Sec of State INVESTIGATED lodged complaints........Investigation found all but a dozen as "unfounded" and those "founded" were caused by misinformation given the voter from his county election office.
