Are there any realistic Des Moines scenarios?

[Ihawkhoops]

I lost track of all the potential Des Moines scenarios. Are we likely out of the mix because we aren't a 3-4 seed or is there still a shot as a 5-6?

 

[hawk4life021]

I would bet Iowa would have to move up to the 4 line to get back into Des Moines...so that'd probably mean making the final on Sunday. Some think they even have to win the B10 tournament....but I think if they win 3 games with wins over Purdue and Indiana, that might be enough to bump them up at least 1 seed line maybe 2.

 

[StormHawk42]

Need to beat Indiana. Would probably put both teams on the 4 line. That's our best bet.

 

[whatsup13579er]

They give site preference to seeds 1-4. Right now Iowa is on the 5 line. If Iowa beats Purdue they probably get the 4 and Purdue drops to the 5 then DSM is very much in play. Every win after Purdue would increase Iowa's chances of playing in DSM exponentially.

 

[OC_Hawk]

We know for certain that there will be two teams with seeds 1, 2, 3, or 4 in Des Moines. Tagging along with them would be a 16, 15, 14, or 13 and then a 4-pack of teams to play those teams.

So, for example, if a 1 / 16 and a 3 / 14 are in Des Moines, there will also be 8 / 9 and 6 / 11 teams in attendance.

Here's the rub with Iowa getting to Des Moines as the 6-seed in the example...
That would mean they would be playing with a distinct "home court" advantage against the 3-seed they would likely be facing off against in the round of 32. The committee would be crucified if they created a bracket like that.

For that reason, I don't think there is any chance of Iowa going to Des Moines as a 5+ seed.

 

[StormHawk42]

They give site preference to seeds 1-4. Right now Iowa is on the 5 line. If Iowa beats Purdue they probably get the 4 and Purdue drops to the 5 then DSM is very much in play. Every win after Purdue would increase Iowa's chances of playing in DSM exponentially.

True but I think Indiana is the real key since they'd be in Des Moines if it were today. We need to get them off the 3 line. I don't think them losing to NW or Michigan will do it. We need to gobble up big wins to steal it from them. That's why I think we need to win both.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Just WIN BABY!

 

[El Simbolo]

Bloomington is a lot closer to St Louis than DSM However so is Xavier, MSU, and maybe other 1,2,3 seed possibilities. Really for the best shot at playing close to home you need to be a 3 seed. Due balancing brackets, etc. and the fact there are more teams in the central and east part of the country than the west, they can't always place all of the top 16 close to home. So DSM even as a 4 seed isn't a real safe bet.

 

[Clifford C. Clavin]

St. Louis would also be pretty attractive for the eastern Iowa Hawk fans.

 

[hexumhawk]

Beat Illinois and Purdue and there is about a %10 chance; beat Indiana about %80 chance.

 

[Pepperman]

St. Louis would also be pretty attractive for the eastern Iowa Hawk fans.

But again, those top two seeds in STL are already taken by Xavier and Michigan State, aren't they?

Really good point made by OC above - the committee can't put Iowa in DSM as a 6 seed (wouldn't work anyway with Indiana as the 3) or perhaps even in STL because of how many Hawk fans could be there.

The real problem is having too many NCAA 1st and 2nd round games in places where there aren't teams nearby. We have a central and east coast bias to population and teams, so that's also where the majority of the sites should be, in my humble opinion.

 

[markfromj]

The real problem is having too many NCAA 1st and 2nd round games in places where there aren't teams nearby. We have a central and east coast bias to population and teams, so that's also where the majority of the sites should be, in my humble opinion.

And are. Six of 8 first/second round sites are East or Central.

 

[Franisdaman]

i have heard that for Iowa to get a 4 seed and possibly playing in Des Moines, they have to be playing on Sunday (don't have to necessarily win on Sunday)

 

[Pepperman]

And are. Six of 8 first/second round sites are East or Central.

Well, let's break things down a bit more:

NE sites: Providence and Brooklyn
SE site: Raleigh (hardly southeast, but whatever)
Central: Des Moines and St. Louis
SW sites: Denver and Oklahoma City (not really southwest, but not central either)
NW site: Spokane

Spokane doesn't fit AT ALL on a map when you consider which schools can possibly go there.

 

[Pepperman]

Here's what I would do. I'd have four basic regions that are the same each year. Northeast, Southeast, Mid, and West

8 "Northeast" cities that host the 1st and 2nd round games on some sort of rotational basis: Detroit, Pittsburgh, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Providence, Boston

Northeast sweet 16 and elite 8 rotate from New York and Boston

8 "Southeast" cities that host the 1st and 2nd round games on some sort of rotational basis:
Miami, Tampa, New Orleans, Atlanta, Charlotte, Memphis, Indianapolis, Richmond

Southeast sweet 16 and elite 8 rotate from Atlanta and Charlotte

8 "Mid" cities that host the 1st and 2nd round games on some sort of rotational basis:
Dallas, Oklahoma City, St Louis, Kansas City, Des Moines, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis

Mid sweet 16 and elite 8 rotate from Dallas and Chicago

8 "West" cities that host the 1st and 2nd round games on some sort of rotational basis:
San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver, Salt Lake, San Diego, Los Angeles, Oakland, Portland

West sweet 16 and elite 8 rotate from Phoenix and Los Angeles

Final Four is like the football playoffs - it can be held in only a few places: Syracuse, Detroit, Atlanta, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Dallas, St Louis, Minneapolis

I'm sure I forgot one or two locations such as Boise or Albuquerque or something... it may not be perfect, I realize. I took way too much time to make the above list by the way

 

[loconno1]

Of tournament eligible teams, Iowa currently ranks:

Sagarin- 15
RPI- 21
BPI- 17
KenPom- 16

A couple of wins would go a long way toward making it possible. Three wins would go a VERY long way toward making it possible, IMO.

We shall see.