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Are these Hillary scandals phoney?

Let's see……..she used an unauthorized server to receive and transmit Top Secret information and used a store-bought phone to do the same with.

Yeah. She did nothing wrong. (Roll eyes)

This, reeks of stupidity or an "I am above the rules" mentality. Neither of these traits are what I want in our next POTUS.

If nothing comes of this an Hillary just walks the American Will lose all faith in their govt and its accountability. I see riots BC why should Avg joe citizens Be held accountable for their actions of our govt officials don't have to be held accountable for their actions?
 
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After all these investigations Republicans will be left holding a big bag of nothing. The taxpayers won't be holding nothing. They'll be left holding the bill for the phony investigations. Then they'll chime in that it was malfeasance. Or, the FBI was under the control of the Obama administration. Or, the emails were all destroyed. Something. It'll be something. And, when they've cried and moaned they'll quickly move on to some other outrageous scandal attributed to Hillary.

If I conduct my work email business using my gmail account I would be fired. I don't deal in govt secrets but I do respect my client and companies privacy and understand why work Email communications needs to be Done via my work account...mostly everyone understands this and the SOS who wants to be POTUS (who has spent her life in govt) should absolutely know this. Her personal convenience, since that was the story she was spinning, isn't an excuse for this behavior...I hope this woman gets hit by a bus, she is a horrible anchor career politician.
 
If I conduct my work email business using my gmail account I would be fired. I don't deal in govt secrets but I do respect my client and companies privacy and understand why work Email communications needs to be Done via my work account...mostly everyone understands this and the SOS who wants to be POTUS (who has spent her life in govt) should absolutely know this. Her personal convenience, since that was the story she was spinning, isn't an excuse for this behavior...I hope this woman gets hit by a bus, she is a horrible anchor career politician.
You serious? Every SOS of before her used private emails. Should they all be hit by buses, too?
 
Everyone should know not to mix up your work and personal E-mails. The fact that a secretary of state didn't know that is scary. The idea that said secretary of state could become POTUS is scarier.

However the republicans are looking incompetent again and so if she can win the primary she will win. However it's looking more and more like Sanders is going to give her a legit challenge.

I don't think I can vote for anyone except maybe Kasich. But he won't win the primary and I'm not likely going to vote in a primary anyways.
Half the Republican field did the same exact thing. I wouldn't be surprised if most of our elected officials mix work emails with personal ones. So why are you acting like we should be shocked that Hillary is no different?
 
And it took Bush forever to finally start releasing them. Jeb also pick and chose which emails he wanted released, erased thousands of them, and used it to discuss security and military issues.
 
The problem is there are multiple layers to this issue and depending on what you are focusing on, your opinion will be influenced. The pro-Clinton forces are focusing strictly on the server and the email account and citing that it was perfectly acceptable for her to have these and use these as Secretary of State. They are correct. However, that is not what the problem is. The issue is that she was using a private server that was not encrypted and was not kept in a secure location and this server was storing classified and sensitive information. That is a violation of the Espionage Act and is a felony crime.

Remember, David Petraeus was prosecuted for violation of the Espionage Act by simply keeping his personal calendar in a locked desk drawer at his home and the calendar listed some classified names. He was able to plea down to a misdemeanor to avoid jail time. Hillary had over 60,000 emails on this un-encrypted server which most likely was hacked by multiple foreign governments. As of right now their were emails identified by the US Inspector General that did have classified status. This is why it was turned over to the Justice Department and the FBI for formal investigation. There are now reports that up to 300+ emails so far have been identified as "problematic". Remember, Petraeus was prosecuted for one count. She is potentially looking at 300+ counts so far.

The final layer of this problem is now with the 30,000 emails on her server that she claimed were personal and not subject to FOIA requests which she proceeded to delete and then wipe the server. The FBI now has the server and will run forensic analysis of the server. If they pull up any of these deleted emails and they turn out to be public and even worse, classified, then she is really in a world of hurt. She would then be subject to obstruction of justice charges along with contempt of Congress, obstruction of a Congressional investigation and criminal perjury to go along with her Espionage Act violations. I would be very nervous if I was her.

Based on what the facts are at present, I think that she will definitely be brought up on charges for violating the Espionage Act. Remember that one of the mandatory penalties that come with a guilty verdict of the Espionage Act, is the permanent ban from holding any elected public office at the federal, state, or local levels.

What will the political impact be. Who knows. There is a group of supporters that will vote for her even if she adopted Mein Kampf for her campaign platform. What this does show is a great deal of incompetence on her part. Also her continued lies and complete butchering of the fact line on all of this is bad. When a recent poll of registered voters in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio was taken earlier this week and 2/3 of respondents said they found her untrustworthy and dishonest, that does not bode well for you to win the general election considering it comes down to winning those three states. Her cavalier comments about the Snap Chat account and then mocking Ed Henry's question about wiping the server when she asks "with a cloth", is really starting to insult peoples intelligence. It doesn't help when you have liberal columnists from the New York Times and Washington Post saying the same thing. Bob Woodward has now said this scandal is the closest thing he has seen to Watergate. I think it will be tough for anyone to convince Americans that Bob Woodward is now part of the "Right Wing Conspiracy" that she blames for everything.

All in all, I find this to be an excellent synopsis of the Clinton email issue. The only issue I have is where 73Chief states that "The pro-Clinton forces are focusing strictly on the server and the email account and citing that it was perfectly acceptable for her to have these and use these as Secretary of State. They are correct. "

An article from Politico states:

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.

But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.

“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.





Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3jZk4C1mf



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3jZjqNF7S
 
Half the Republican field did the same exact thing. I wouldn't be surprised if most of our elected officials mix work emails with personal ones. So why are you acting like we should be shocked that Hillary is no different?


Evidence that half the Republican field did the same? Don't go throwing out accusations unless you have evidence to back it up.

And NONE, ZERO, NADA, NYENTE were Secretaries of State.

She broke the law. Accept it and find another candidated.
 
The position of Secretary of State, and Governor of Florida are not the same. SOS requires a security clearance, and Governor of Florida (or any state) does not. So using the 'Bush did it too defense' is nonsense.
 
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The position of Secretary of State, and Governor of Florida are not the same. SOS requires a security clearance, and Governor of Florida (or any state) does not. Do using the 'Bush did it too defense' is nonsense.
Colin Powell used personal emails. Does that mean he should get raked over the coals, too?
 
Colin Powell used a private email account for friends and family, and an official State Department account for work related business. Hillary Clinton did not have an official State Department account, only a private one.
 
Colin Powell used a private email account for friends and family, and an official State Department account for work related business. Hillary Clinton did not have an official State Department account, only a private one.
Um, no he didn't. My link clearly says he used personal emails for SOS duties as well.
 
Um, no he didn't. My link clearly says he used personal emails for SOS duties as well.

Well...let's see your link.

Here's mine

“He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends,” the statement said.

Mr. Powell’s statement comes after The New York Times reported that Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department, possibly violating regulations set forth by the National Archives in 2009. The Times reported that before the regulations went into effect, Mr. Powell also “used personal email to communicate with American officials and ambassadors and foreign leaders.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/4/colin-powell-used-personal-email-account-while-sec/
 
Well...let's see your link.

Here's mine

“He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends,” the statement said.

Mr. Powell’s statement comes after The New York Times reported that Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department, possibly violating regulations set forth by the National Archives in 2009. The Times reported that before the regulations went into effect, Mr. Powell also “used personal email to communicate with American officials and ambassadors and foreign leaders.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/4/colin-powell-used-personal-email-account-while-sec/
Your link clearly says at the end that he, "used personal email to communicate with American officials and ambassadors and foreign leaders.” That alone shows he used it for business.
 
Show me the evidence of where Mr. Powell used his personal account to send or receive classified documents, and then we will have something to talk about.
 
I guess the problem is, and I'm repeating myself I know. But after some of the "sky is falling" tactics used by the far right...who can belief anything they say!!!
 
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Show me the evidence of where Mr. Powell used his personal account to send or receive classified documents, and then we will have something to talk about.
Are you serious? First you deny that Powell used personal emails for business. You get proven wrong. Now your demanding proof that he sent or received classified documents. Nice goalpost moving. And where's your proof that Hillary did the same with classified documents?
 
Are you serious? First you deny that Powell used personal emails for business. You get proven wrong. Now your demanding proof that he sent or received classified documents. Nice goalpost moving. And where's your proof that Hillary did the same with classified documents?

The FBI has the proof now.

Here's more information for you, showing Hillary did indeed have classified documents on her server. In fact they were Top Secret.

"The inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified senior members of Congress that two of four classified emails discovered on the server Clinton maintained at her New York home contained material deemed to be in one of the highest security classifications - more sensitive than previously known.

The notice came as the State Department inspector general’s office acknowledged that it is reviewing the use of “personal communications hardware and software” by Clinton’s former top aides after requests from Congress."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article30714762.html


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article30714762.html#storylink=cpy
 
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Like it or not, there has yet to be any proof that Hillary used personal emails for classified documents.
 
You serious? Every SOS of before her used private emails. Should they all be hit by buses, too?

If they acted with the same disregard and recklessness as hillary then YES, YES they should. I am tired of our govt officials acting like they are above reproach or common sense. Let them all burn for their total disregard for common sense and common decency.
 
Are you serious? First you deny that Powell used personal emails for business. You get proven wrong. Now your demanding proof that he sent or received classified documents. Nice goalpost moving. And where's your proof that Hillary did the same with classified documents?

Oh, and Mr. Powell didn't just decide one day to delete 1/2 of the messages on his server and then then wipe it clean.
 
Oh, and Mr. Powell didn't just decide one day to delete 1/2 of the messages on his server and then then wipe it clean.
Well thanks for admitting that there is no proof that Hillary shared classifed documents. Oh, and Bush deleted a ton of his emails, too.
 
Well thanks for admitting that there is no proof that Hillary shared classifed documents. Oh, and Bush deleted a ton of his emails, too.

What difference does it made if others did it before? Honestly. People have gotten away with murder so does that mean everyone who kills someone should be let off the hook?
 
What difference does it made if others did it before? Honestly. People have gotten away with murder so does that mean everyone who kills someone should be let off the hook?
Huh? There's no proof she did anything illegal and what she did at the time wasn't unusual for a SOS. So why are you pretending that this is at all like murder?
 
Like it or not, there has yet to be any proof that Hillary used personal emails for classified documents.

Once again, you are posting inaccurate information. After the McClatchy article, which if referenced above, it is now generally accepted as fact that Hillary did have classified information on her server. Her defense now is that it was not marked as classified at the time she received it. This is more nonsense, since she apparently has a classified security clearance she would, of course, know classified information when she saw it. Especially since it is speculated that the information in question, was satellite information from the CIA of an unfriendly foreign nature, which was not shared with any of our allies.
 
Huh? There's no proof she did anything illegal and what she did at the time wasn't unusual for a SOS. So why are you pretending that this is at all like murder?

You are nuts, she was receiving and sending state secrets and foreign communications on personal email that was being stored on a private server that from what is being reported wasn't encrypted. If it wasn't illegal it surely was reckless and reeks of incompetence for rules and regulations.

I am sorry if I believe in accountability and common sense rules and regulations...I see you clearly don't.
 
What she did isn't unusual, it's unprecedented.
Once again, you are posting inaccurate information. After the McClatchy article, which if referenced above, it is now generally accepted as fact that Hillary did have classified information on her server. Her defense now is that it was not marked as classified at the time she received it. This is more nonsense, since she apparently has a classified security clearance she would, of course, know classified information when she saw it. Especially since it is speculated that the information in question, was satellite information from the CIA of an unfriendly foreign nature, which was not shared with any of our allies.
I'm sorry, but this is simply untrue. It is not accepted as fact that she traded classified information during her time as SOS. We still don't know that yet.
 
You are nuts, she was receiving and sending state secrets and foreign communications on personal email that was being stored on a private server that from what is being reported wasn't encrypted. If it wasn't illegal it surely was reckless and reeks of incompetence for rules and regulations.

I am sorry if I believe in accountability and common sense rules and regulations...I see you clearly don't.
With the exception of the server, Powell did the same exact thing.
 
And you guys won't like hearing this. But Hillary was never hacked. To be sure, the first three months of her system being unencrypted was stupid. But after that, it's possible she was more secure than the people using the official system.
 
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