Are you religious?

[Jimmy McGill]

Because nothing I say or do will convince you to change your mind.

You could do a list with the worst things atheists have done.

Start with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini and Fidel Castro, please.

How many times do I need to tell you I'm not an atheiest, yet you refuse to acknowledge the Church's history

 

[BrianNole777]

How many times do I need to tell you I'm not an atheiest, yet you refuse to acknowledge the Church's history

Well, you could do it for the other atheists.

I acknowledged the Church's flaws again and again in this thread. It's a huge organization with 1 billion+ people in it. There are saints in it and serial killers and everything in-between.

As I stated repeatedly, I don't want to leave Jesus because of Judas.

Does that make sense?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Well, you could do it for the other atheists.

I acknowledged the Church's flaws again and again in this thread. It's a huge organization with 1 billion+ people in it. There are saints in it and serial killers and everything in-between.

As I stated repeatedly, I don't want to leave Jesus because of Judas.

Does that make sense?

You haven't though. Look at all the other things the church did besides child rapists

 

[BrianNole777]

You haven't though. Look at all the other things the church did besides child rapists

I did many pages ago.

People that actually LIVE the teachings of the Catholic Church become saints. There are 10,000 saints in the Catholic Church.

People that DON'T live the teachings of the Catholic Church commit atrocities like the ones you've linked.

Does that make any sense?

Roman Catholic Saints | Britannica

“All you holy men and women pray for us.”

www.britannica.com

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I did many pages ago.

People that actually LIVE the teachings of the Catholic Church become saints. There are 10,000 saints in the Catholic Church.

People that DON'T live the teachings of the Catholic Church commit atrocities like the ones you've linked.

Does that make any sense?

Roman Catholic Saints | Britannica

“All you holy men and women pray for us.”

www.britannica.com

Why won't you acknowledge individually the crimes of the Church?

 

[BrianNole777]

Why won't you acknowledge individually the crimes of the Church?

I have again and again.

My issue is people like you and the others in this thread are biased because you only highlight the minority of evil people within the Church and ignore the saints.

Does that make sense?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I have again and again.

My issue is people like you and the others in this thread are biased because you only highlight the minority of evil people within the Church and ignore the saints.

Does that make sense?

Yes and no, because it was not a minority

 

[BrianNole777]

TLDR -- did anybody solve the god question?

Lemme guess... god is real because one way of knowing something is to experience.

Do you believe in atheism because of personal experience?

 

[BrianNole777]

Yes and no, because it was not a minority

What % was it?

Do you think atheists are better?

 

[Jimmy McGill]

What % was it?

Do you think atheists are better?

I'm not atheist, quit putting me your dogma. I'm agnostic. You are arrogant to believe everyone else is wrong. I hope you can find it in your heart to not be sanctimonious

 

[BrianNole777]

I'm not atheist, quit putting me your dogma. I'm agnostic. You are arrogant to believe everyone else is wrong. I hope you can find it in your heart to not be sanctimonious

I didn't mean you were an atheist. You believe I'm wrong, right? That's why you're agnostic, because you believe it's true, right?

When you stated all the bad Catholics in the Church, I stated that I don't want to leave Jesus because of Judas.

Does that make sense?

 

[BrianNole777]

Yes and no, because it was not a minority

How do you know?

 

[BrianNole777]

Why won't you acknowledge individually the crimes of the Church?

So the purpose of Catholicism is to become a saint and attain the Beatific Vision after death.

One does that by living the sacramental life, staying in a state of grace (free from mortal sin) and dying in that state then the Beatific Vision is attained.

I think that's the purpose to life.

What do you think is the purpose to life?

 

[Colonoscopy]

Do you believe in atheism because of personal experience?

Atheism isn't a belief system. It's merely the lack of belief in a theistic god. It's nothing, it's merely denoting the lack of something.

 

[Gus is dead]

What I think is that we have become a secular state over the last 50 years and this has been a net negative. We need more community. More common cause. More of the unification that used to come from ones religious community.

So I’m religious in the sense I believe in God. I am a Catholic. But I also know that other religions also believe in a higher power. This imo is simply how some have chosen which lens to view a belief in a creator. I do not believe that other religions aren’t of value simply because they aren’t mine. Catholicism is the vehicle to enlightenment that makes the most sense to me so that is the one I practice. But not anywhere near as often as I could. I also don’t think we should be ‘rated’ on how often one attends service as a measure of devotion to it so that may drive some off my failure to attend mass. I think one can be faithful yet not religious per se.

I find feel that I need to recruit others into my beliefs. At all. This is my beef with Christianity. That and that the ‘only path to salvation is through Christ’ I dont believe that either. In fact I resent, to some extent, the implication. The fact that neither of these things are core to Catholicism are part of its appeal.

 

[BrianNole777]

Atheism isn't a belief system. It's merely the lack of belief in a theistic god.

Atheism morphs into self-worship, IMO.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Atheism morphs into self-worship, IMO.

Nomore so than lack of enjoyment in chocolate pudding.

I'm not an atheist, I just don't believe in God. There. Do something with that.

 

[BrianNole777]

Nomore so than lack of enjoyment in chocolate pudding.

I'm not an atheist, I just don't believe in God. There. Do something with that.

What would you consider yourself if not an atheist?

 

[Colonoscopy]

What would you consider yourself if not an atheist?

I just don't believe in God. Just like I'm not a lizard. And a not green olive liking person.

 

[Gus is dead]

Nomore so than lack of enjoyment in chocolate pudding.

I'm not an atheist, I just don't believe in God. There. Do something with that.

Do you think that the miracle of life is simply that? I dont think there is any way to look at the beauty all around us and the incredible complexity of the existence life and not conclude there is a creator. Just my opinion.

By the time we realize which one of us is correct you or I won’t care.

 

[BrianNole777]

I just don't believe in God. Just like I'm not a lizard. And a not green olive liking person.

Isn't that an atheist by definition?

 

[Colonoscopy]

Isn't that an atheist by definition?

Depending on your definition, sure.

 

[Gus is dead]

One other thing. I’m not here to debate with atheists/agnostics. I’m simply posting what I think and why. And I’m genuinely interested in why others believe what they do and how they reconcile that. Not to convince others I’m correct.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Do you think that the miracle of life is simply that? I dont think there is any way to look at the beauty all around us and the incredible complexity of the existence life and not conclude there is a creator. Just my opinion.

By the time we realize which one of us is correct you or I won’t care.

Beauty is beauty.

Evidence is evidence. God is an evidence question. I'll follow the evidence.

 

[BrianNole777]

Depending on your definition, sure.

Here it is

Definition of ATHEIST

a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[BrianNole777]

One other thing. I’m not here to debate with atheists/agnostics. I’m simply posting what I think and why. And I’m genuinely interested in why others believe what they do and how they reconcile that. Not to convince others I’m correct.

The Catholic Church is correct, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Here it is

Definition of ATHEIST

a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

That was post 666

 

[BrianNole777]

That was post 666

See!

Atheism is cursed.

 

[Gus is dead]

Beauty is beauty.

Evidence is evidence. God is an evidence question. I'll follow the evidence.

Well sure except there is a reason it’s called faith. Cause there is no evidence, like i said, til there is or isn’t and then it doesn’t matter.

 

[BrianNole777]

Well sure except there is a reason it’s called faith. Cause there is no evidence, like i said, til there is or isn’t and then it doesn’t matter.

There's tons of evidence for Jesus.

Faith means trust. We can trust Jesus.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Well sure except there is a reason it’s called faith. Cause there is no evidence, like i said, til there is or isn’t and then it doesn’t matter.

Yeah. I'm boring and evidenced based. At least on questions of any meaning.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Here's an interesting take on what faith is:

(loaded at point in time)

 

[Gus is dead]

There's tons of evidence for Jesus.

Faith means trust. We can trust Jesus.

Christianity and Catholicism boiled down to three sentences. Nicely done.

And I agree. I believe that each religion is simply followers of a particular ‘prophet’ and their story of their enlightenment and how they have chosen to convince others what they know. That a creator is real. That sone trust Mohammed. Some trust Jewish law. Sone Hindu dogma. On and on.

Because each of these prophets somehow came to know there is a God and have tried to teach the rest of us incomplete believers of that. Maybe as payback for the gift of knowledge. I dunno.

I don’t use the word prophet in any more if a way than simply a convenient way of describing a few totally enlightened of history. Or what I theorize anyway. .

I know this sounds like crackpot religious stuff but this is how and why I explain all religions have value and are correct to myself.

 

[BrianNole777]

Christianity and Catholicism boiled down to three sentences. Nicely done.

And I agree. I believe that each religion is simply followers of a particular ‘prophet’ and their story of their enlightenment and how they have chosen to convince others what they know. That a creator is real. That sone trust Mohammed. Some trust Jewish law. Sone Hindu dogma. On and on.

Because each of these prophets somehow came to know there is a God and have tried to teach the rest of us incomplete believers of that. Maybe as payback for the gift of knowledge. I dunno.

I don’t use the word prophet in any more if a way than simply a convenient way of describing a few totally enlightened of history. Or what I theorize anyway. .

I know this sounds like crackpot religious stuff but this is how and why I explain all religions have value and are correct to myself.

Yeah. There is good in all religions but Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

 

[Gus is dead]

Yeah. There is good in all religions but Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

See! And I wasn’t even aware of this being codified. Just what I believed to be true by my involvement in Catholicism.

“The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and teachings, which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men”

 

[BrianNole777]

See! And I wasn’t even aware of this being codified. Just what I believed to be true by my involvement in Catholicism.

“The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and teachings, which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men”

Are you familiar with "Catholic Answers?"

Thousands of articles here.

Catholic.com

 

[BrianNole777]

@nu2u


Does Buddhism have a Hell?

What happens to non-Buddhists after death?

 

[artradley]

Do you think that the miracle of life is simply that? I dont think there is any way to look at the beauty all around us and the incredible complexity of the existence life and not conclude there is a creator. Just my opinion.

By the time we realize which one of us is correct you or I won’t care.

The existence of our universe, with or without life, is absolutely astonishing. But less so than an omnipotent being residing outside of the physical universe while control all of existence.

Being amazed at the universe does not necessitate belief in such a being.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

@nu2u


Does Buddhism have a Hell?

What happens to non-Buddhists after death?

Catholics are the worst people on earth, Jesus told me that once. He said that there’s not much room in Heaven and the Jehovah Witnesses were right. I’d tell you guys more, but it’s too hard to talk about.

 

[Aardvark86]

Thanks. Atheists control America. I was brainwashed by them. It's a cult.

5 hours is way too long. Sounds brutal.

The Mass should be 1 hour.

5 hours?! You sure it wasn’t orthodox?!