At least 150 people were killed by gun violence in more than 400 shootings across the US during the Fourth of July weekend
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Our economy. Neoliberalism, globalism, late stage capitalism. As wealth concentrates, job market and wages stagnate, prospects dim, this is what happens. We are destabilized. We’re a society that values money over life, be it human or, more broadly, our natural world. We are deeply, deeply flawed.
Waukee is rural
Right because teaching people disrespect for authority and other people's property makes for good behavior 🙄.
It is?
Waukee is fully opening their second High School this upcoming school year, and you think Waukee is rural.
Right because a decent gun and some ammo doesn't cost more than $1,000. Obviously from a non gun owner.
You probably shouldn't believe everything you read on a message board.
Are you trying to say Waukee isn't opening up their second High School???? Wonder where my nephew will be going then??
Why do people own guns and why do they use them? Understanding the ‘why’s’ might be a start at addressing the problem.
I use mine because I hunt, target shoot, and collect them.
Doesn't do shit for the people that have them illegally, though
So people who do not own guns should pay the costs associated with unfettered gun ownership?
Every gun starts out being owned by a non criminal. Sometimes it never even changes hands And winds up being owned by a criminal.
How many handguns are running around the inner cities that are worth that much? Those are the crowds that may turn them in.
Yep,.. just like we are asked to share the cost of so many other things that we don't personally agree with.
Yeah the people that are actually using them to shoot other people are going to turn them in. What are you smoking?
I’m guessing some will do it for a $1,000. I’m totally profiling here but there are a lot of families that could use $1,000 in the areas a lot of these shootings are happening.
Dude... were they unborn babies? If not, GTFO, they are the only lives that matter...
As a gun owner, I agree.
I think where you lose a lot of current gun owners, is it always seems like we are going after the legal gun owners, and not the illegal gun owners.
I don't have the stats, but I would argue that a majority of gun crimes are committed by people who don't have the legal right to have them, or did not purchase them legally.
I will jump through hoops to keep my guns, I enjoy them, so I will almost any registration/course/anything you want for me to keep them.
Maybe I am way off base, but these are my gut feelings on the issue.
What are the penalties for illegal possession of a firearm? Maybe that is an area to focus on.
I have no idea what the penalty is.
would you be alright with legal gun owners being liable if a gun registered to them was used in a crime unless that gun was reported stolen?
guns have to have a legal starting point somewhere. They just dont come off the production lines and get placed into the hands of someone who cant have one as soon as its built. making responsible gun owners responsible for keeping their firearm safe and knowing where they are, and out of anybody elses hands (even making sure your kid cant grab it) would be a good start.
there needs to be better accountability between the guns getting from legal snd responsible owner into a criminal or mentally ill persons hands.
Just like automobiles, all guns should be annually registered in the US. Likewise, most states require liability insurance on automobiles. It should also at least be required on hand guns. The issue over a ban on assault-style weapons and accompanying high capacity mags should be determined by the recommendations of those entrusted to protect us - namely the countries police chiefs. What better group to decide if a ban would be of help to them in fighting crime.
Every other show during TV prime time, and many movies glamorize savage SWAT and gang war-type shootouts. Sure, the previous generous were carpet fed WW2 and Vietnam war scenarios. But the current genre targets citizens and promotes covert participation.
Combine this with the insistence through legislation that all persons be allowed to carry weapons, and easing of other gun laws, and the problem will worsen. The argument supporting the 2nd Amendment created a crisis; an inventory of weapons, including military grade killing machines that are in the hands of groups unfriendly to this government.
The right is OK with this entire scenario.
Guns are like pollution. Make everyone in the industry pay the cost that society bears.
Now do total homicides. Chicago regularly leads the nation in total number. 770 homicides in 2020, and on pace to beat that total this year.Chicago number 28
Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities
You might be surprised by the murder rates in major cities across the U.S.www.cbsnews.com
None of what you just stated in the second paragraph, wasn’t true in the 20s through 60s
Yes. I like your thinking. If someone can turn in a gun worth $200 and get $1,000, that means that they can buy 5 more $200 guns and get $5,000 for them. Then they could 25 $200 guns and turn them in for $25,000. That sound like a fantastic business model for entrepreneurs who might otherwise just be criminals. Gun manufacturers could then start producing more guns and more profit to be made. Everyone wins at taxpayer expense!
Heck, I'd have to get into that business too! Probably needed, so I can pay my increased taxes.
No.
Just like for some reason no one wants to talk about what to do about all the illegal guns on the streets, you know, the largest issue.
Just because you may not have liked the answers doesnt mean it hasnt been discussed in this thread.
not sure you can do much about the ones already out there unless a bunch can be taken off the streets in raids. Figure out tbe hows and whys they are going from “legal” to “illegal” in the first place and enact a system that puts the hammer down on the last person/entity who had them legally if they end up in illegal hands. Put the responsibility on the owner to report guns stolen
maybe figure out technology that can allow the owner to make the gun unusable if they are stolen.
it may require thinking outside of the box and i am assuming a lot of NRA and gun nut types will be like “it wont work, cant do anything, maaah riiiitez” (may already have happened itt as thats the thinking of many who i have on ignore)
In Iowa, before July 1, it was an aggravated misdemeanor. Punishable up to two years DOC. Not that you’d ever make it to prison on this charge alone.
For a felon in Possession or Dominion Control of a firearm by someone convicted of a domestic charge it is a class D felony. Punishable up to 5 years DOC.
You are the only one that has discussed it with me. All your ideas I agree with.
There are 2 huge gun threads right now, and it just seems like this issue doesn't want to be discussed beyond what you have said.
It's all about punishing legal gun owners.
You have to get past the gun idea. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Now maybe the death penalty for anyone who kills with a gun might be a starting deterrent.
Your post i replied to said no one wanted to discuss it. Also saw someone discuss gun buybacks also.
debate it, think its nonsense but saying nobody wants to discuss it is incorrect. It would be nice if more people threw out their ideas if they bring up illegal guns (even the ones who think nothing can be done)
