Athletic PG need

[ryno99]

If Iowa has a few transfer Fran would be wise to grab an athletic PG, ideally a grad transfer. JBo was a huge surprise but not the breakdown athletic PG Iowa has been missing under Fran. JBo's 3 point shooting was insane as a true freshman but he didn't shoot well from inside the 3 point line or get many layups. He's not going to be someone who can break down a defense. And watching the 4A state championship game, Connor definitely won't either. Although he may add 5-10 mpg and move the ball around to others.

March is about guard play and Iowa is missing a true PG. Walton at Michigan, Morris at ISU someone like that to help this team. A dynamic PG could open up more shots for JBo next year and stretch the defense out more while providing quality defense as well.

 

[BirdistheWord]

HOW DARE YOU!

JK...I agree, personally I am not sold on Moss at off guard, happy to be proven wrong on that one. We need to hedge our bet and bring in another Guard.

 

[tumorboy]

I see a top 2017 PG asked for a release from Georgetown. I'm sure they'll be a few more would be nice to grab one. Wishful thinking I'm sure.

 

[MepoDawg#]

how many similar threads do we need?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I agree. We need to find a slasher guard. Someone who can attack the lane (Morris, Walton) type.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

The need is greater on the defensive end than on offense. Our guards can't stay in front of other top guards.

 

[Stormn Norman]

The need is greater on the defensive end than on offense. Our guards can't stay in front of other top guards.

I say either or, if a gaurd is athletic enough to lock down the oppositions gaurd he should be athletic enough to get into the lane on offense.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

To me moss is a perfect big ten 3. His handle isn't good enough right now to play guard.

A local example, do you guys remember kwadzo ahelegbe from UNI? That's the type of guard I would like to add.

 

[RocknRollface]

I say either or, if a gaurd is athletic enough to lock down the oppositions gaurd he should be athletic enough to get into the lane on offense.

Doesnt always work that way.

Often times the best defenders and offensive players arent the same people.

And sometimes the most athletic players arent good at either.

 

[Stormn Norman]

Doesnt always work that way.

Often times the best defenders and offensive players arent the same people.

And sometimes the most athletic players arent good at either.

We are taking about pg's, correct? I never said the best.. but often pg's that can defend well also can penetrate..

 

[ryno99]

how many similar threads do we need?

Until this problem is addressed...probably will be more.

 

[jo2knight]

Yea, agree that we need a really electric, slashing, dribble penetration type PG.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Excellent post, but prepare for the goon squad to come out of the woodwork and tell you that we have our PG for the next 3 years and that we can't get another PG who can dribble and chew gum to come here to split time with Bohannon.

It's OK to have 2 PG's capable of contributing. It gives us some insurance against injuries, can provide Bohannon some rest, and,sit down for this, we can play them both to slide Bohannon to a 2.

Williams is not the answer at # 2 PG if Fran wants to see round 2 of the BTT and advance past round 1 of tournament if we make it.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Excellent post, but prepare for the goon squad to come out of the woodwork and tell you that we have our PG for the next 3 years and that we can't get another PG who can dribble and chew gum to come here to split time with Bohannon.

It's OK to have 2 PG's capable of contributing. It gives us some insurance against injuries, can provide Bohannon some rest, and,sit down for this, we can play them both to slide Bohannon to a 2.

Williams is not the answer at # 2 PG if Fran wants to see round 2 of the BTT and advance past round 1 of tournament if we make it.

so once again you go back to name calling...when you cant defend your own words...of which you basically have called just about every player currently on the squad not named Jok or Cook...a MVC talent.

 

[83Hawk]

I thought March was about matchups? Which is it.....guards or matchups?

 

[SWIowahawks]

How many guys will have to transfer to open up a scholarship for this pipe dream to happen?

 

[Suterman]

How many guys will have to transfer to open up a scholarship for this pipe dream to happen?

I believe the answer is 2 transfers in addition to Peter graduating, Jones going elsewhere and Conner walking on. Not only all of those things have to happen but how many 2017, lights out PG's are available out there. That's right. Zero. I love JBo and we are very fortunate to have him as a Hawkeye.

 

[83Hawk]

I believe the answer is 2 transfers in addition to Peter graduating, Jones going elsewhere and Conner walking on. Not only all of those things have to happen but how many 2017, lights out PG's are available out there. That's right. Zero..

And yet, most other teams have a better PG than Iowa. How can that be?

They are not as scarce as you think. If boatloads of mid-majors can get them, why not Iowa?

 

[cocoem]

And yet, most other teams have a better PG than Iowa. How can that be?

They are not as scarce as you think. If boatloads of mid-majors can get them, why not Iowa?

Name the boatloads

 

[sadiehawkins]

Name the boatloads

ISU, MINN, WIS, PUR, IND, NW, MICH, AZ,KENT, UCLA, creighton, omaha, ILLl ST, VILL, ECT<ECT

 

[Suterman]

And yet, most other teams have a better PG than Iowa. How can that be?

The answer to that is that they don't all have better point guards.

 

[ryno99]

Name the boatloads

Look at every other team in the Big Ten. They all played a true PG at the 1. Iowa was the only school to have a combo guard or 2 guard playing PG. Fran is infatuated with this and likely will continue and Iowa will continue to "wonder" rather than "know".

 

[DanL53]

Look at every other team in the Big Ten. They all played a true PG at the 1. Iowa was the only school to have a combo guard or 2 guard playing PG. Fran is infatuated with this and likely will continue and Iowa will continue to "wonder" rather than "know".

Damn, that must be why we keep finishing 14th in the league!

 

[And1Hawk]

If only we could land a freshman PG that could make the all-freshman B1G team. We could be really good then.

 

[Gabe Sifuentes]

I think it's also pretty obvious that Fran knows and is looking. He's recruited athletic PGs but they've committed elsewhere. Also guys like Williams and Dailey seem to be developmental guys in the style of Marble but they're just not at the level they need to be at yet.

 

[83Hawk]

Name the boatloads

Sadiehawkins started it off for you.

 

[BirdistheWord]

To me moss is a perfect big ten 3. His handle isn't good enough right now to play guard.

A local example, do you guys remember kwadzo ahelegbe from UNI? That's the type of guard I would like to add.

He is like a combo 2/3 - either way he needs to add strength and must improve decision making/reduce turnovers, shooting and be more adept at taking to rim

 

[83Hawk]

Damn, that must be why we keep finishing 14th in the league!

No.....but it is why we don't win games in the BTT, make the NCAA more often, or when we do, get very far.

 

[RocknRollface]

It would be a huge plus to find a Nate Mason/Derrick Walton type. Even those two werent much their first two years.

It really does make basketball allot easier when you have a guy who can get past his defender and get the defense out of position.

However there's a good chance Iowa wont have the option due to lack of ships. Were still over booked.

Its probably going to have to come from guys already on the roster. Moss and Williams hopefully.

Playing inside out is another way to move the defense and since we have good post players who can score and pass we should make the inside out game an even bigger priority than its been.

 

[DanL53]

No.....but it is why we don't win games in the BTT, make the NCAA more often, or when we do, get very far.

I see. Our point guard that played 37 minutes, scored 24 points on 7-13 fg, 6-11 3's, 4-4 from the free throw line and dished out 10 assists cost us the Indiana game?

 

[83Hawk]

I see. Our point guard that played 37 minutes, scored 24 points on 7-13 fg, 6-11 3's, 4-4 from the free throw line and dished out 10 assists cost us the Indiana game?

You mean our shooting guard that was playing the point guard position?

So you are saying Iowa has a true PG who can break down the opponent off the dribble, slash for a layup or dish to the open man? Are you comparing Bohannon to Ronnie Lester and Andre Woolridge? Or even Monte Morris?

Do you honestly think the Hawks are just fine at PG?

I have always respected your opinions in the past, but if you think the lack of a true PG hasn't hurt this team under Fran, then you are just being a blind homer.

 

[And1Hawk]

It would be a huge plus to find a Nate Mason/Derrick Walton type. Even those two werent much their first two years.

It really does make basketball allot easier when you have a guy who can get past his defender and get the defense out of position.

However there's a good chance Iowa wont have the option due to lack of ships. Were still over booked.

Its probably going to have to come from guys already on the roster. Moss and Williams hopefully.

Playing inside out is another way to move the defense and since we have good post players who can score and pass we should make the inside out game an even bigger priority than its been.

Just want to add we beat Walton's team in OT and lost to Mason's team in double OT. A game that featured a key out-of-bounds forced jump ball & no awarded TO. Those 2 players are very good but just noting we split and almost swept them with our supposed deficient PG. Had we beat Minny we might have made the big dance regardless.

The other list of 'boatloads' of teams with awesome PGs listed above included...

ISU - we beat by 14
Minny - double OT loss (BS call)
Wisky - we beat
Purdue - we split
NW - blew us out
Indiana - we split
Michigan - we beat
Add Maryland with 2 stud PGs in Trimble & Cowan - we beat them too

That's 6-4 against those 'awesome' PG teams with 1 call away from 7-3.

Keep in mind Jordan did not start early in the season. CW did as did Uhl! Cook was lost for 7 games including Omaha delaying his development. Would-coulda-shoulda of course but it took some time to get our bearings and figure out who can play.

We've been horrible in the BTT but the one guy who brought it? Jordan scored 24 points and dished 10 assists! That's the position we are complaining about not the 46 paint points also given up because we lack a true post player and rim protector especially when Tyler sat with foul trouble (some bogus calls too).

 

[sadiehawkins]

Just want to add we beat Walton's team in OT and lost to Mason's team in double OT. A game that featured a key out-of-bounds forced jump ball & no awarded TO. Those 2 players are very good but just noting we split and almost swept them with our supposed deficient PG. Had we beat Minny we might have made the big dance regardless.

The other list of 'boatloads' of teams with awesome PGs listed above included...

ISU - we beat by 14
Minny - double OT loss (BS call)
Wisky - we beat
Purdue - we split
NW - blew us out
Indiana - we split
Michigan - we beat
Add Maryland with 2 stud PGs in Trimble & Cowan - we beat them too

That's 6-4 against those 'awesome' PG teams with 1 call away from 7-3.

Keep in mind Jordan did not start early in the season. CW did as did Uhl! Cook was lost for 7 games including Omaha delaying his development. Would-coulda-shoulda of course but it took some time to get our bearings and figure out who can play.

We've been horrible in the BTT but the one guy who brought it? Jordan scored 24 points and dished 10 assists! That's the position we are complaining about not the 46 paint points also given up because we lack a true post player and rim protector especially when Tyler sat with foul trouble (some bogus calls too).

Point Guard in basketball is like the quarterback in college. The good ones make players around them better. Which player did JBO make better? How often did you see him break down and dish ball. JBO is going to be good college guard. He is a 2 guard. Point guard is about sharing and breaking down a defense on the dribble and dishing it off or taking it to the hole. Neither of these is his strong suit.

 

[DanL53]

You mean our shooting guard that was playing the point guard position?

So you are saying Iowa has a true PG who can break down the opponent off the dribble, slash for a layup or dish to the open man? Are you comparing Bohannon to Ronnie Lester and Andre Woolridge? Or even Monte Morris?

Do you honestly think the Hawks are just fine at PG?

I have always respected your opinions in the past, but if you think the lack of a true PG hasn't hurt this team under Fran, then you are just being a blind homer.

Please stop respecting my opinions than because I'd take another Bohannon to back up Bohannon and wouldn't mind another Bohannon sitting on the bench just in case.

However. Yeah, if you can find me a Ronnie Lester or Andre Woolridge I think I can live with that.

 

[BeardedAxeWound]

Point Guard in basketball is like the quarterback in college. The good ones make players around them better. Which player did JBO make better? How often did you see him break down and dish ball. JBO is going to be good college guard. He is a 2 guard. Point guard is about sharing and breaking down a defense on the dribble and dishing it off or taking it to the hole. Neither of these is his strong suit.

Neither of those were Ryan Arcidiacono's strong suit either but he still managed to be the Most Outstanding Player as PG for the national championship-winning team last year.

 

[DanL53]

Point Guard in basketball is like the quarterback in college. The good ones make players around them better. Which player did JBO make better? How often did you see him break down and dish ball. JBO is going to be good college guard. He is a 2 guard. Point guard is about sharing and breaking down a defense on the dribble and dishing it off or taking it to the hole. Neither of these is his strong suit.

All of 'em. You actually saying he didn't run the offense extremely well? Where did he get all those assists?

Just to step out of my sarcastic self of late, and an attempt to explain what the real problem is...

Iowa runs a motion offense that uses the pass and player movement, including screens, to break down the defense. We don't want a point guard running a set, and then everybody standing around while he gets back to the top of the key to run another one. And Fran has said as much! So even IF Bohannon was a top notch drive and dish guy, that's not how we're going to do things, all the time. There are other teams out there that don't, either. Wisconsin is one. Now, the day comes we get an excellent drive, dish or score guy, I'm sure we'll work it into the offense, somewhat. AND, yeah it can create a problem when the shot clock is running down that we don't have a creator who can get his own shot...but it doesn't have to be the point guard.

So the real complaint isn't about Bohannon (who would make a poor shooting guard because of his size), it's about our offense. And again, as I've posted repeatedly, our offense wasn't the problem this year. We need to shore up our defense and rebounding.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

Point Guard in basketball is like the quarterback in college. The good ones make players around them better. Which player did JBO make better? How often did you see him break down and dish ball. JBO is going to be good college guard. He is a 2 guard. Point guard is about sharing and breaking down a defense on the dribble and dishing it off or taking it to the hole. Neither of these is his strong suit.

Actually saw it often in dunks by Cook in the last several games , didn't you see them ?

 

[DanL53]

I've got an idea. While I'm losing the respect of the board. (I still like you 83Hawk, I'm glad we don't have to always agree...at least I hope not.)

Let's watch how some guys we missed on do over the next few years. That would be guys like:

Donovan Jackson, Juco transfer at Iowa State
TeJon Lucas, Freshman at Illinois
Carr, Winston, Penn State and Michigan State...we pursued them
Toss in Tristan Trice, though he wasn't on our list.
To be fair to me, forget Charlie Moore, let's face it we didn't have the kind of brown paper bag recruiting it takes to get him.

But let's watch the guys I mentioned as opposed to Jordan Bohannon, and let's see how bad taking Bohannon hurt us. Considering he made the All Big Ten Freshman team, I'd say he's got a head start. But let's just pay attention to how Iowa does in the coming years.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I thought March was about matchups? Which is it.....guards or matchups?

A poor defensive guard is a bad match up in November and March. But I'm sure there are some here that would argue otherwise.

 

[RocknRollface]

I think its pretty disingenuous to act like people are saying Bohannon hurt Iowa.

Keeping the emotions in check is the best way to carry on an intellectually honest discussion.