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ATHLON ranks the big ten coaches

Not surprised with this list. The top three are at schools that will always have the best talent. That's what makes a coach great in the eyes of the press. If any real though went into the picks no one could possibly pick Harbaugh over Dantonio. That pick alone makes this list bogus.​
 
I guess this includes their resume before they coached in the B1G. Only way to justify some of the rankings.
 
Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?
 
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-college-football-coaches-2017

1) Meyer
2) Harbaugh
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Kirk
7) Chryst
8) Fleck
9) Riley
10) Brohm
11) Durkin
12) Lovie
13) Allen
14) Ash
Don't agree. Give Meyer the iowa players & he doesn't come close to kirks record. He's a recruiter in a metro area w lots of $$ for shenanigans. Harbaugh.. has the all around skills.. has done it @ every level. Same w Franklin. Vandy.. Stanford?? Not easy places to win.
 
Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?
Why on earth do you have Kirk 10th? He has won big ten championships and been coach of the year more then once. Frost has yet to win a game in the Big, let a lone coach one. My thoughts are your rankings are......In my childrens language......Totally Gay, or even Brian Boitano gay.
 
Why on earth do you have Kirk 10th? He has won big ten championships and been coach of the year more then once. Frost has yet to win a game in the Big, let a lone coach one. My thoughts are your rankings are......In my childrens language......Totally Gay, or even Brian Boitano gay.
His resume is a little light since Norm left.
 
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I get it, so Kirk's coaching resume starts after Norm left. Sounds about right, pointless, but right. LOL
Not at all. I simply stated an opinion and gave a reason why someone might put KF at 10th. Coaches are only as good as their staff, after all.
 
Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?

No, you can't be serious....

Meyer - championship, B1G crowns
Franklin - B1G crown, keeps winning
Dantonio - B1G crowns, play off participant
Ferentz - B1G crowns, played for one
Chryst - keeps winning, plays for B1G crown
Harbaugh - hasn't won anything yet, hot air
Fitz - wins consistently, no division title yet
Brohm - wins, took a team from 3 wins to 7
Frost - will move up list, AAC isn't B1G
Fleck - won @ WMU, MAC ain't B1G,
Durkin - has won some, recruiting well
Allen - jury still out after taking over for Wilson
Ash - see Durkin, won a few, recruiting key
Smith - not good start after two years

Campbell would show up around Brohm, Frost, and Fleck.

Let's see what he does with his own recruits after three or four years at ISU if he sticks around that long.
 
Not at all. I simply stated an opinion and gave a reason why someone might put KF at 10th. Coaches are only as good as their staff, after all.
I think Iowa went undefeated in conference play after Norm left. Sounds like your searching for a reason to place Kirk low by only choosing to rate him after Norm left. Ok, I'll play along. So using your rules, I choose to rate them based on only the past two years. So how can Dantonio be higher then Kirk, he only won 3 games last year. Joel asked for our opinion on his rating, and I gave it to him. If your going to rate coaches, I think you should take the entire resume instead of cutting and pasting parts what you like. That's what the fake news agencies do. ;)
 
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Don't agree. Give Meyer the iowa players & he doesn't come close to kirks record. He's a recruiter in a metro area w lots of $$ for shenanigans. Harbaugh.. has the all around skills.. has done it @ every level. Same w Franklin. Vandy.. Stanford?? Not easy places to win.

You are either a Urban hater or you are ignorant AF.
 
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I think Iowa went undefeated in conference play after Norm left. Sounds like your searching for a reason to place Kirk low by only choosing to rate him after Norm left. Ok, I'll play along. So using your rules, I choose to rate them based on only the past two years. So how can Dantonio be higher then Kirk, he only won 3 games last year. Joel asked for our opinion on his rating, and I gave it to him. If your going to rate coaches, I think you should take the entire resume instead of cutting and pasting parts what you like. That's what the fake news agencies do. ;)
That was 1 season. Look at KF's resume from 1999 to 2010.
Dantonio had to adjust after losing his top notch DC. That's why he struggled last year. He seems to have rebounded nicely.
Nobody said we had to look at the coach's entire resume. He said "rate the BIG coaches". You take issue with other's rankings and then you bitch about their reasoning for those rankings? Sounds like you're reaching for a reason to bitch. You got a real victim complex going.
 
That was 1 season. Look at KF's resume from 1999 to 2010.
Dantonio had to adjust after losing his top notch DC. That's why he struggled last year. He seems to have rebounded nicely.
Nobody said we had to look at the coach's entire resume. He said "rate the BIG coaches". You take issue with other's rankings and then you bitch about their reasoning for those rankings? Sounds like you're reaching for a reason to bitch. You got a real victim complex going.
Victim complex. Lol I choose to look at an entire resume not just pieces of one. But you can rate coaches with whatever criteria that trips your trigger. ;)
 
Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?

Go back to Fort Dodge ya clown.
 
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As can anyone else. I can guarantee you that I would have rated Bret Bielema a lot higher 5 years ago, than I'd rate him now. See how that works?

I don't understand the criticism of the past 5 years. Three 8 win seasons, one 12 win season and the worst finish was 7-6. I'm as critical of KF as can be but this is an exaggeration.

Do you expect Iowa to be a perennial 10 win team?
 
I don't understand the criticism of the past 5 years. Three 8 win seasons, one 12 win season and the worst finish was 7-6. I'm as critical of KF as can be but this is an exaggeration.
If you don't see the difference since Norm retired, that's fine. I see a difference.
 
If you don't see the difference since Norm retired, that's fine. I see a difference.

No I don't. In the last 7 years Norm coached, Iowa won 8 or more games only three times and won only 6 twice.

How is this better than recent years?
 
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I don't understand the criticism of the past 5 years. Three 8 win seasons, one 12 win season and the worst finish was 7-6. I'm as critical of KF as can be but this is an exaggeration.

Do you expect Iowa to be a perennial 10 win team?
Here are some numbers since 2011 (7 seasons). 6-16 against ranked teams. 1-5 in Bowl games.
 
Norm coached the 2011 season.
He was in the hospital half of the season. If you want to count that one against him, so be it.
The numbers don't get any better over 6 seasons (2012-17). 5-13 against ranked teams. 1-4 in Bowl games. I suppose you find these results acceptable for a great football coach? Do these numbers make KF a great football coach? Do they make a great resume?
 
He was in the hospital half of the season. If you want to count that one against him, so be it.
The numbers don't get any better over 6 seasons (2012-17). 5-13 against ranked teams. 1-4 in Bowl games. I suppose you find these results acceptable for a great football coach? Do these numbers make KF a great football coach? Do they make a great resume?

2013: 8-5, 5-3
2014: 7-6, 4-4
2015: 12-2, 8-0
2016: 8-5, 6-3
2017: 8-5, 4-5

I see nothing wrong with that. Using bowl wins as a measure is obtuse. All bowls are not equal. I'd rather lose to Stanford in the Rose than beat Texas Tech in the Alamo.

Iowa has been in tough bowl matchups most of these seasons and the underdog going in.
 
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2013: 8-5, 5-3
2014: 7-6, 4-4
2015: 12-2, 8-0
2016: 8-5, 6-3
2017: 8-5, 4-5

I see nothing wrong with that. Using bowl wins as a measure is obtuse. All bowls are not equal. I'd rather lose to Stanford in the Rose than beat Texas Tech in the Alamo.

Iowa has been in tough bowl matchups most of these seasons and the underdog going in.
in 13 seasons with Norm Parker, we lost 4 Bowl games. Avg margin of loss = 11.75 ppg. In the 6 seasons without Norm Parker, we've lost 4 Bowl games. Avg margin of loss = 20 ppg.
Yeah....I see no difference there.
 
2013: 8-5, 5-3
2014: 7-6, 4-4
2015: 12-2, 8-0
2016: 8-5, 6-3
2017: 8-5, 4-5

I see nothing wrong with that. Using bowl wins as a measure is obtuse. All bowls are not equal. I'd rather lose to Stanford in the Rose than beat Texas Tech in the Alamo.

Iowa has been in tough bowl matchups most of these seasons and the underdog going in.
What????? Are we playing Division 1 football teams in those Bowl games????? The whole point of my post is that we can beat the bad teams but not the good ones. That does not make us one of the good teams. Which leads me to the number you avoided addressing. 5-13 against ranked opponents.
 
What????? Are we playing Division 1 football teams in those Bowl games????? The whole point of my post is that we can beat the bad teams but not the good ones. That does not make us one of the good teams. Which leads me to the number you avoided addressing. 5-13 against ranked opponents.

Where are you sourcing your data? Is that final AP rankings or at the time played. What was the same for the last 5 seasons Norm coached?

Finally why are you arguing the defensive coordinator is responsible for the ultimate record? Last I checked, Iowa's defensive ratings have been on par if not better than Norm Parker's. Didn't we just have 2 All Americans and consecutive Thorpe finalists? Or was Norm responsible for the offense too?
 
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