ATHLON ranks the big ten coaches

[ScoutRefugee]

Where are you sourcing your data? Is that final AP rankings or at the time played. What was the same for the last 5 seasons Norm coached?

Finally why are you arguing the defensive coordinator is responsible for the ultimate record? Last I checked, Iowa's defensive ratings have been on par if not better than Norm Parker's.

I'm using Sports Reference as the source.
Are you going to address those numbers? in the last 6 seasons: 5-13 against ranked opponents. 1-4 in Bowl games. Is that the resume of a great coach? Yes or no? Avg loss @ 20 ppg in the 4 Bowl losses. Bowl games are usually against quality opponents. Ranked opponents. I don't consider the past 6 seasons to be anything but mediocre (2015 not withstanding).
Those are the numbers since Norm Parker officially retired. Which back up my claim "His resume is a little light since Norm left". That's why I provided them.
In the end, It's a difference of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. And I'm ok with that.

 

[scotthawk1964]

As can anyone else. I can guarantee you that I would have rated Bret Bielema a lot higher 5 years ago, than I'd rate him now. See how that works?

Thanks Dad.

 

[BetterLuckNextTime]

Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?

I would put Chryst above Meyer. Anyone could recruit AAs and 5*s across the board at OSU. I'm not a Meyer expert, but when has he ever rebuilt a program? Chryst has exceeded expectations. Although I can't stand Franklin because he's a big fat douche, he has been the most impressive, so I'd put

1. Franklin
2. Chryst
3. Meyer
4. Dantonio
5. Ferentz
6. Fitz

the rest of them don't quality

 

[cidhawkeye]

I'm using Sports Reference as the source.
Are you going to address those numbers? in the last 6 seasons: 5-13 against ranked opponents. 1-4 in Bowl games. Is that the resume of a great coach? Yes or no? Avg loss @ 20 ppg in the 4 Bowl losses. Bowl games are usually against quality opponents. Ranked opponents. I don't consider the past 6 seasons to be anything but mediocre (2015 not withstanding).
Those are the numbers since Norm Parker officially retired. Which back up my claim "His resume is a little light since Norm left". That's why I provided them.
In the end, It's a difference of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. And I'm ok with that.

Is 7-12 against ranked opponents in 6 years a resume for a great coach?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Is 7-12 against ranked opponents in 6 years a resume for a great coach?

I need more information.

 

[ih8iast8]

What????? Are we playing Division 1 football teams in those Bowl games????? The whole point of my post is that we can beat the bad teams but not the good ones. That does not make us one of the good teams. Which leads me to the number you avoided addressing. 5-13 against ranked opponents.

The whole point of ALL of your posts us to throw Ferentz under the bus (or Fran on the Bball board). While that logic has some merit, you are far from objective.

I used to Love seeing the volleyball player gif, now it is not worth sifting through the shit you post here.

 

[Suterman]

Chryst #7?

1st year- 10 wins.
2nd year- 11 wins.
3rd year- 13 wins.

B1G coach of the year 2016-2017.

#7? Got it.

 

[kceasthawk]

I would put Chryst above Meyer. Anyone could recruit AAs and 5*s across the board at OSU. I'm not a Meyer expert, but when has he ever rebuilt a program? Chryst has exceeded expectations. Although I can't stand Franklin because he's a big fat douche, he has been the most impressive, so I'd put

1. Franklin
2. Chryst
3. Meyer
4. Dantonio
5. Ferentz
6. Fitz

the rest of them don't quality

While I think your ranking is pretty accurate, and I'd agree that Meyer's never had to build a program from the bottom up,the same could be said of Chryst. He game into a very solid situation at Wisky where Barry kept the ship upright, and Chryst was pretty average at Pitt from what I remember.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

The whole point of ALL of your posts us to throw Frerentz under the bus (or Fran on the Bball board). While that logic has some merit, you are far from objective.

I used to Love seeing the volleyball player gif, now it is not worth sifting through the shit you post here.

My opinion isn't for everyone. Lol.

 

[HawkLogic]

What has Harbaugh done to get anywhere near #2?

recruit--duh.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

No, you can't be serious....

Meyer - championship, B1G crowns
Franklin - B1G crown, keeps winning
Dantonio - B1G crowns, play off participant
Ferentz - B1G crowns, played for one
Chryst - keeps winning, plays for B1G crown
Harbaugh - hasn't won anything yet, hot air
Fitz - wins consistently, no division title yet
Brohm - wins, took a team from 3 wins to 7
Frost - will move up list, AAC isn't B1G
Fleck - won @ WMU, MAC ain't B1G,
Durkin - has won some, recruiting well
Allen - jury still out after taking over for Wilson
Ash - see Durkin, won a few, recruiting key
Smith - not good start after two years

Campbell would show up around Brohm, Frost, and Fleck.

Let's see what he does with his own recruits after three or four years at ISU if he sticks around that long.

Spot on, I think next year will play a big part in that 4v5 race.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

I'm using Sports Reference as the source.
Are you going to address those numbers? in the last 6 seasons: 5-13 against ranked opponents. 1-4 in Bowl games. Is that the resume of a great coach? Yes or no? Avg loss @ 20 ppg in the 4 Bowl losses. Bowl games are usually against quality opponents. Ranked opponents. I don't consider the past 6 seasons to be anything but mediocre (2015 not withstanding).
Those are the numbers since Norm Parker officially retired. Which back up my claim "His resume is a little light since Norm left". That's why I provided them.
In the end, It's a difference of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. And I'm ok with that.

Agree. I've thought the same exact thing regarding our on-field success post-Norm.

The ranking of the coaches in the OP is most definitely not based on the past 10-15 years. If it were then Kirk would be higher; probably Top 3. I bet it's based on going back maybe 3 years, with this past year weighted more heavily. Probably something like this...

2015: 20%
2016: 35%
2017: 45%

On a scale of 100, and I'm no statistician, it would grade out to something like this...

12-2: 86 x 20% = 17
8-5: 61.5 x 35% = 21.5
8-5: 61.5 x 45% = 27.5

= 66*/100

I'm too lazy to check the other B1G coaches records over that same timeframe, so feel free to correct me if Kirk's record actually puts him into the Top 3. If so, I'll shut up.

*the score would obviously be higher if we removed the BTCG and Bowl results from the equation: ~70/100.

 

[CP84]

I'm using Sports Reference as the source.
Are you going to address those numbers? in the last 6 seasons: 5-13 against ranked opponents. 1-4 in Bowl games. Is that the resume of a great coach? Yes or no? Avg loss @ 20 ppg in the 4 Bowl losses. Bowl games are usually against quality opponents. Ranked opponents. I don't consider the past 6 seasons to be anything but mediocre (2015 not withstanding).
Those are the numbers since Norm Parker officially retired. Which back up my claim "His resume is a little light since Norm left". That's why I provided them.
In the end, It's a difference of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. And I'm ok with that.

I didn't address it because it's ridiculously anecdotal. So what's your point, the record was slightly better, albeit still losing vs top 25 but Norm coached teams had a worse percentage vs bottom feeders like Iowa State, Illinois and Indiana?

At the end of the day average record and conference record are the most objective measures. Comparing bowl performance is ridiculously anecdotal. Anyone with a clue would realize the Stanford team we lost to was light years ahead of the option offense Georgia Tech team we beat in the Orange. That logic makes as little sense as comparing a bowl win over Boston College to a blowout in the Rose to USC.

 

[RogerKint]

I would have Coach Ferentz in the top 5 for sure along with Chryst. With all the talent Michigan has each year, Harbaugh has underachieved. What has Fleck done? He is rowing some sort of water craft to somewhere.

 

[Herkmeister]

Stupid List.

So subjective who cards.

But wow................there is some real quality on that list. Says much for the B1G. Too bad Riley got the boot.

 

[INXS83]

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-college-football-coaches-2017

1) Meyer
2) Harbaugh
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Kirk
7) Chryst
8) Fleck
9) Riley
10) Brohm
11) Durkin
12) Lovie
13) Allen
14) Ash

Harbaugh should be about 4th.
I'd put Chryst ahead of Kirk.
Brohm 8th
Riley off the board or 14th
Lovie 13th
Fleck no better than 10th

 

[Stephen Hawk King]

LOL at people thinking Meyer can only recruit and hasn't built a program. What he did at Bowling Green was miraculous. His first season he took them from a 2 win team to a 9 win team. He then goes to Utah (pre-pac 12) and led them to an undefeated season and a BCS bowl win. Then goes to Florida and wins a couple national titles, followed by a national title at his most recent stop in Ohio State. The man wins, everywhere. Urban is number one on the list by any objective measure.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I need more information.

What additional information do you need? Div 1 power 5 program goes 7-12 against ranked teams, does that meet your criteria? What is your cut off?

 

[MGOHAWK2]

1. Dantonio
2.Chryst
3. Fitzgerald
4. Meyer
5.Ferentz
6.Harbaugh
Who really cares after top 6

 

[ScoutRefugee]

What additional information do you need? Div 1 power 5 program goes 7-12 against ranked teams, does that meet your criteria? What is your cut off?

Play your games with someone else. I don't have the patience for them.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

Comparing bowl performance is ridiculously anecdotal. Anyone with a clue would realize the Stanford team we lost to was light years ahead of the option offense Georgia Tech team we beat in the Orange.

Not so sure about "light years", but yeah...

2015 Stanford: 436 yds/gm, 37.8 pts/gm

2009 GT: 422 yds/gm, 33.8 pts/gm

 

[cidhawkeye]

Play your games with someone else. I don't have the patience for them.

Unarmed in the battle of comparisons. You did the same research after your post and it doesn't fit your premise. Support your cause better next time.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Unarmed in the battle of comparisons. You did the same research after your post and it doesn't fit your premise. Support your cause better next time.

I supported my cause just fine. I just don't care to engage your retard nonsense.

 

[kceasthawk]

LOL at people thinking Meyer can only recruit and hasn't built a program. What he did at Bowling Green was miraculous. His first season he took them from a 2 win team to a 9 win team. He then goes to Utah (pre-pac 12) and led them to an undefeated season and a BCS bowl win. Then goes to Florida and wins a couple national titles, followed by a national title at his most recent stop in Ohio State. The man wins, everywhere. Urban is number one on the list by any objective measure.

Well lets see. So basically he did what Fleck did only less with a MAC team. OK. I honestly don't remember, but wasn't there a coach before Meyer at Utah that had them rolling? Then he goes to Florida with Zook's recruits. Zook was a great recruiter, but couldn't coach a lick. Think George Raveling of the gridiron. So Meyer wins big then totally loses control of the program. Gets an exit strategy before the walls crash down around him. Says he needs to get out of coaching because of his health and to spend more time with his family. Within a year the OSU job opens up, and everything is all hunky dorry at the Meyer household.Just how hard is it to win 10 or 11 games a year at OSU? Frankly its suprizing that OSU has played in only around half of the BIG titles. Three for MSU in that time with way less talent then Meyer has.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I supported my cause just fine. I just don't care to engage your retard nonsense.

Sure you did, that's why you bailed and resorted to name calling. Better homework next time. You don't want to establish criteria? Feel free, but expect to be called on it. The bully pulpit doesn't work here.

 

[JEDN]

Why no respect for Harbaugh? Great teams at San Diego and Stanford and a Superbowl team with the SF Fortyniners. Really Ferentz over Harbaugh!

 

[CP84]

Not so sure about "light years", but yeah...

2015 Stanford: 436 yds/gm, 37.8 pts/gm

2009 GT: 422 yds/gm, 33.8 pts/gm

Little difference there in schedules bud when Stanford played non conference games against 10 win Notre Dame and Northwestern. The PAC 10 in 2015 was also better than the ACC in 2009. GT played 5 teams with losing records and an FCS team. Stanford only played 3 sub .500 teams.

Georgia Tech's best non conference game was against 8-5 Georgia, which GT lost, and the other two were a 5 win Mississippi State and FCS Jacksonville State. Stanford just played one cupcake non conference.

 

[Hawktagonapus]

Why no respect for Harbaugh? Great teams at San Diego and Stanford and a Superbowl team with the SF Fortyniners. Really Ferentz over Harbaugh!

Because this is a list of Big Ten coaches. He’s done f all at Michigan.

 

[m.stoops2013]

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-college-football-coaches-2017

1) Meyer
2) Harbaugh
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Kirk
7) Chryst
8) Fleck
9) Riley
10) Brohm
11) Durkin
12) Lovie
13) Allen
14) Ash

This is the correct order
1.Urban
2.Dantonio
3.Franklin
4.Chryst
5.Harbaugh
6.Fitz
7.Kirk
8.Brohm
9.Allen
10.Fleck
11.Ash
12.Durkin
13.Lovie
14.Riley

 

[Goldteam]

Just asking a question here!

Ferentz would turn Minnesota around, correct?

 

[kceasthawk]

Why no respect for Harbaugh? Great teams at San Diego and Stanford and a Superbowl team with the SF Fortyniners. Really Ferentz over Harbaugh!

I'm sure I'm not the most knowledgeable, but when you say GREAT teams at San Diego, and Stanford, what did they win of significance when he was there, compared to some of KF's better years in a tougher conference? His time in the NFL ended badly, and if he doesn't start winning the really important games at Michigan, I could see a similar messy end for him at Michigan.

 

[kceasthawk]

Just asking a question here!

Ferentz would turn Minnesota around, correct?

Absolutely. He'd turn them around and bend them over while they grabbed their ankles. Seriously, why would KF go to a school that turns their coaches over almost every recruiting cycle? A school that for years has shown that they have no moral compass from the top down? If you think he would ever coach at that school then you don't know a thing about the man.

 

[Randall Stanhope]

Pretty ballsy of them to have that top 4, with Meyer at the top.

Nobody would have ever predicted that would be their top 4.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Sure you did, that's why you bailed and resorted to name calling. Better homework next time. You don't want to establish criteria? Feel free, but expect to be called on it. The bully pulpit doesn't work here.

KF's entire body of work is known. I established my criteria. You chose 1 aspect of my criteria and jumped on it in a lame, pathetic and transparent attempt to play "gotcha" for retards. I don't have time for retards. I don't care if you don't like it.

 

[cidhawkeye]

KF's entire body of work is known. I established my criteria. You chose 1 aspect of my criteria and jumped on it in a lame, pathetic and transparent attempt to play "gotcha" for retards. I don't have time for retards. I don't care if you don't like it.

That was the criteria you chose, losing at your own game of 'gotcha' selective information is a good look for you. Resorting to name calling demonstrates a great approach as well. Message board 101 when made to look a fool resort to name calling.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

That was the criteria you chose, losing at your own game of 'gotcha' selective information is a good look for you. Resorting to name calling demonstrates a great approach as well. Message board 101 when made to look a fool resort to name calling.

Buh bye.

 

[soybean]

His resume is a little light since Norm left.

Well, there was that 12-0 regular season thing.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Well, there was that 12-0 regular season thing.

The season we gave up 45 pts and 430 yards in the Rose Bowl? Yep. I remember that well.

 

[cidhawkeye]

The season we gave up 45 pts and 430 yards in the Rose Bowl? Yep. I remember that well.

And the selective 'gotcha' parade is fired up. Good work out of you.

 

[mick82]

Here's the ranking I would apply. Since we play ISU each year I'll throw in Matt Campbell.

1) Meyer
2) Chryst
3) Franklin
4) Dantonio
5) Fitz
6) Harbaugh
7) Frost
8) Campbell*
9) Brohm
10) Kirk
11) Fleck
12) Durkin
13) Ash
14) Allen
15) Lovie

Thoughts?

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