Balance of Year Rotation

[BirdistheWord]

Assuming JoBo shuts it down. Biggest wildcards are development of Toussaint + Emergence of PMac? Kreiner, Evelyn, Pemsl and Till - we largely know what we are going to get.

Garza, CMac, CJF and Weezy will play roughly 30-35 minutes per game.

-Toussaint will go up to roughly 18-20 mpg (at 15 or so now)
-Evelyn will likely get about 10-12 mpg, interesting to see him as a pure distributor
-Kreiner will stay about flat to slight increase at about 15-17 (assuming PMac gets into the action)
-PMac will average about 13-15 mpg
-Pemsl and Till will combine for 8-12 mpg


YTD Games/Minutes Per Game

Joe Wieskamp
11 30.3
Luka Garza
11 30.0
Connor McCaffery
11 28.0
CJ Fredrick
10 26.2
Jordan Bohannon
10 25.1
Jack Nunge
5 17.6
Joe Toussaint
11 14.8
Ryan Kriener
11 14.5
Patrick McCaffery
2 13.5
Bakari Evelyn
11 12.5
Cordell Pemsl
9 11.3

 

[Suterman]

I really don't think PMac is going to play. At this point 1/3 of the season is done. I think I'd rather see him redshirt and give Riley Till some minutes. However, if PMac can help us win a few more games and is physically up to the task, play him.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I really don't think PMac is going to play. At this point 1/3 of the season is done. I think I'd rather see him redshirt and give Riley Till some minutes. However, if PMac can help us win a few more games and is physically up to the task, play him.

agreed on Patrick. Joe is going to have some bumps but will be fun and learn in the job.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I really don't think PMac is going to play. At this point 1/3 of the season is done. I think I'd rather see him redshirt and give Riley Till some minutes. However, if PMac can help us win a few more games and is physically up to the task, play him.

Agree. Not sure how you can factor PMac into the mix with what little has been seen of him at this point. And with his absence of late now, it's hard to see him getting into the groove.

 

[mstp1992]

I’m in agreement with others who think P Mac should just keep it shut down for the year.

Give Till a couple minutes each half.
Pemsl 10-12.
Kriener 16-20
Evelyn 8-10

 

[And1Hawk]

PMAC is not playing this year. Are people serious?

 

[kceasthawk]

I’m in agreement with others who think P Mac should just keep it shut down for the year.

Give Till a couple minutes each half.
Pemsl 10-12.
Kriener 16-20
Evelyn 8-10

Pemsl needs to really step up, or those 10-12 minutes will be problamatic, on both ends of the floor. Almost better to play Till 10 minutes and see what he can bring in a bigger role. I think at minimum he'd be better on the defensive side of the floor.

 

[pocha444444]

Joe T needs to be at 30 min/game or more. He's one of the top 3-4 players on the team already and plays like a vet.

 

[kceasthawk]

Joe T needs to be at 30 min/game or more. He's one of the top 3-4 players on the team already and plays like a vet.

Except when he doesn't. Hopefully as his minutes increase, he'll settle down more. His defense is already solid, but those stretches where he turns the ball over 3 times in a row will lose a tight game in crunch time. Still he's the best option for increased playing time, unless he shows otherwise, and Fran has to pull him late in games.

 

[BBHawk]

Guards - Connor, CJ, Joe T, Bakari
Small Forward - Weezy, Till, Connor
Power Forward - Kriener, Weezy, Pemsl, Till
Center - Garza, Kriener

Top 6 for minutes - Connor, CJ, Joe T, Weezy, Kriener, Garza

Starting 5 - Connor, CJ, Weezy, Garza, Joe T

First in - Bakari, Kriener

It is a very thin lineup. McC is a magician to get wins out of this group.

 

[pocha444444]

Except when he doesn't. Hopefully as his minutes increase, he'll settle down more. His defense is already solid, but those stretches where he turns the ball over 3 times in a row will lose a tight game in crunch time. Still he's the best option for increased playing time, unless he shows otherwise, and Fran has to pull him late in games.

Don't overreact to a few turnovers when he's making plays and/or forcing turnovers on defense every other time down the floor. You get your best players on the floor, period. He'll clean up the turnovers as he gets more time (not that it's been a huge issue to this point though). It also doesn't help that he's been primarily playing with two center lineups and zero spacing so far this season.

 

[MepoDawg#]

PMAC is not playing this year. Are people serious?

You got info nobody else does? They say they hope he’s back soon, but I don’t think they know.

 

[Kurt Warner]

PMAC is not playing this year. Are people serious?

Has pmac or fran told you personally?

 

[walleye hunter16]

Don't overreact to a few turnovers when he's making plays and/or forcing turnovers on defense every other time down the floor. You get your best players on the floor, period. He'll clean up the turnovers as he gets more time (not that it's been a huge issue to this point though). It also doesn't help that he's been primarily playing with two center lineups and zero spacing so far this season.

You're just one of those guys that sees the shiny new toy and can't see anything else.
JT does some real nice things but others have had to clean up his mistakes and against ISU he stacked them to jeopardize the game at one point. If Bohannon is done he will absolutely have to check himself when he gets a turnover to not multiply them.
Everyone makes them you just can't give up the run. If he and Kreiner can just slow it up a little bit they will both be massively more effective. RK had several real good looks that he blew because he didn't feel the D and take advantage of them.
JT needs to shift back a gear when he has a turnover and let it come to him and work on his 3pt shooting. The rest he is already doing at a pretty high level.
If he shoots better the lanes will open up more and the defenders will have much less chance to create the turnovers.

 

[pocha444444]

You're just one of those guys that sees the shiny new toy and can't see anything else.
JT does some real nice things but others have had to clean up his mistakes and against ISU he stacked them to jeopardize the game at one point. If Bohannon is done he will absolutely have to check himself when he gets a turnover to not multiply them.
Everyone makes them you just can't give up the run. If he and Kreiner can just slow it up a little bit they will both be massively more effective. RK had several real good looks that he blew because he didn't feel the D and take advantage of them.
JT needs to shift back a gear when he has a turnover and let it come to him and work on his 3pt shooting. The rest he is already doing at a pretty high level.
If he shoots better the lanes will open up more and the defenders will have much less chance to create the turnovers.

Lol no, I just call it like I see it. I take in the whole game and don't overreact to a few negative plays. You seem like the guy that let's a player's experience level affect your opinion of him. Joe T hasn't even had a fair look yet. Get him full time with the starters and you'll see how those turnovers go down. It's amazing what can happen when he isn't forced into two center lineups with no shooters for all of his minutes.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Assuming JoBo shuts it down. Biggest wildcards are development of Toussaint + Emergence of PMac? Kreiner, Evelyn, Pemsl and Till - we largely know what we are going to get.

Garza, CMac, CJF and Weezy will play roughly 30-35 minutes per game.

-Toussaint will go up to roughly 18-20 mpg (at 15 or so now)
-Evelyn will likely get about 10-12 mpg, interesting to see him as a pure distributor
-Kreiner will stay about flat to slight increase at about 15-17 (assuming PMac gets into the action)
-PMac will average about 13-15 mpg
-Pemsl and Till will combine for 8-12 mpg


YTD Games/Minutes Per Game

Joe Wieskamp
11 30.3
Luka Garza
11 30.0
Connor McCaffery
11 28.0
CJ Fredrick
10 26.2
Jordan Bohannon
10 25.1
Jack Nunge
5 17.6
Joe Toussaint
11 14.8
Ryan Kriener
11 14.5
Patrick McCaffery
2 13.5
Bakari Evelyn
11 12.5
Cordell Pemsl
9 11.3

The top 4 will get a few more but starting to push the point of diminishing returns with transition offence. JoeT going over 20 with JBo out. Need to accept that and BE getting 15+. Kriener going to get close to 20 as well. JBo got almost 25 so a lot to spread around.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

You're just one of those guys that sees the shiny new toy and can't see anything else.
JT does some real nice things but others have had to clean up his mistakes and against ISU he stacked them to jeopardize the game at one point. If Bohannon is done he will absolutely have to check himself when he gets a turnover to not multiply them.
Everyone makes them you just can't give up the run. If he and Kreiner can just slow it up a little bit they will both be massively more effective. RK had several real good looks that he blew because he didn't feel the D and take advantage of them.
JT needs to shift back a gear when he has a turnover and let it come to him and work on his 3pt shooting. The rest he is already doing at a pretty high level.
If he shoots better the lanes will open up more and the defenders will have much less chance to create the turnovers.

He needs to be a true point. Im very nervous with him at the point he hasnt shown the ability to run the team. Way too much over dribbling and forcing things. This offense thrives on ball movement, Luka, Joey-CJ from 3 and cutting, Connor doing all the little things that go unnoticed. Last thing we need is Joe T come in dribble dribble dribble. Move the ball get in lane and find shooters.

 

[perryhawk]

Don't overreact to a few turnovers when he's making plays and/or forcing turnovers on defense every other time down the floor. You get your best players on the floor, period. He'll clean up the turnovers as he gets more time (not that it's been a huge issue to this point though). It also doesn't help that he's been primarily playing with two center lineups and zero spacing so far this season.

I have a different perspective on this......I think this Iowa team has had success this year because of a few basic factors. ONE of those key factors has been limiting turnovers. They have valued every possession and because they have played disciplined and smart basketball they have put themselves in a position to win.

Consequently, turnovers is the one issue that Joe T needs to correct before he takes the wheel completely. I think we can live with his shooting not being up to par with the rest because of all of the other things he brings to the table....but the turnovers undermines the core of the success that this team has had.

I advocated earlier in the year, against the lesser competition, to get him out on the floor and live with the problems while learning.....now we are in the meat of a very tough schedule and it is more of a problem to have turnovers. I don't expect Joe to play on the level of JBO or Connor in terms of not turning it over, but he can't turn it over 3 times in a row before getting pulled. In that ISU game I think that the first part of the game when he was playing we saw the immense potential that he has and what it could do for us...and in that last segment we saw the freshman (that is what he is) show up and he needed to be pulled.

So, all that said, Fran knows what he was doing much more so than this fan...and so I trust that he will do what's best. Hopefully Joe has learned the lessons to a large extent..because I think he will be absolutely vital to our success operating under the assumption that JBO is done for the year.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Agree. Not sure how you can factor PMac into the mix with what little has been seen of him at this point. And with his absence of late now, it's hard to see him getting into the groove.

My thought process was more that we are down so many bodies (assuming Jobo gone) that we flat out need him. I agree that he has had extremely limited action and he needs to get stronger. But the more we have to play Till and Pemsl, the more challenges we will face IMO. I dont disagree that there is a pretty good argument to redshirt him as well.

 

[BirdistheWord]

PMAC is not playing this year. Are people serious?

I am dead serious. You maybe right, and fully understand the rationale to RS him...but have you seen our bench? And we have a player getting stitches every few games to boot.

 

[BirdistheWord]

The top 4 will get a few more but starting to push the point of diminishing returns with transition offence. JoeT going over 20 with JBo out. Need to accept that and BE getting 15+. Kriener going to get close to 20 as well. JBo got almost 25 so a lot to spread around.

That's fair, its kind of a puzzle to piece together everyones minutes, that is why i tried to put a fairly tight "range." I just have not seen much to be excited about with Evelyn, hence why i "kept" his about flat...but....his averages are a bit skewed as he has averaged single digit minutes against the better teams as of late (UM, ISU, Minny, etc.).

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I don't think PMac is going to play this season.

Not stunned to see Bakari fill that other starting spot. Joe T does over dribble, dribble into trouble and try to make spectacular plays when they aren't really available. He doesn't do this a lot but enough to see how it could kill us in both the early minutes and the late minutes. Joe T tries to play harder after a mistake, a good trait, but inexperience turns that harder play into dumber play-at times.

Of course his actually spectacular plays, quickness and junkyard dog defense provides a big lift so it's hardly a one sided story. Hence I'd probably start him.

 

[BeepBeepInMyJeep]

I think Joe T is going to have to go 30+, Joe and Garza are going to have to play 36-38 a lot. CP, Till and Kreiner are going to have to be scrappy defenders against opposing bigs because Garza can’t give any fouls.

 

[HawkLogic]

Except when he doesn't. Hopefully as his minutes increase, he'll settle down more. His defense is already solid, but those stretches where he turns the ball over 3 times in a row will lose a tight game in crunch time. Still he's the best option for increased playing time, unless he shows otherwise, and Fran has to pull him late in games.

JoeT is averaging 1.5 Turnover per game but he gets 1.2 steals per game and 2.3 assist..plus he gets to FT line better than any other guard on the team... saying he is going to turn it over 3 times in a row is a stretch. Yeah, there were two turnovers vs ISU, one looked like pass possibly hit kriener in the hands and the other was simply JoeT losing balance. I would agree JoeT doesn't have the experience to know when to slow it down and run clock with a lead.


JOe

 

[walleye hunter16]

Lol no, I just call it like I see it. I take in the whole game and don't overreact to a few negative plays. You seem like the guy that let's a player's experience level affect your opinion of him. Joe T hasn't even had a fair look yet. Get him full time with the starters and you'll see how those turnovers go down. It's amazing what can happen when he isn't forced into two center lineups with no shooters for all of his minutes.

And I call them as I see them.
JT likely won't get the chance to work his way into the position. He will have to do his best and try to learn from JB on the bench.

 

[walleye hunter16]

JoeT is averaging 1.5 Turnover per game but he gets 1.2 steals per game and 2.3 assist..plus he gets to FT line better than any other guard on the team... saying he is going to turn it over 3 times in a row is a stretch. Yeah, there were two turnovers vs ISU, one looked like pass possibly hit kriener in the hands and the other was simply JoeT losing balance. I would agree JoeT doesn't have the experience to know when to slow it down and run clock with a lead.


JOe

He needs to move the ball like the starters do until there is an overload or late response then he can use his natural ability to get to the hoop and get the and 1 or flip it to an open teammate.
He has the driving skills JB doesn't and the quickness to create problems and turnovers on defense JB doesn't. He needs to use what he already has to add his part to the team and things will be fine if he doesn't force things in the offensive end.

 

[Hawkeyes4Life32]

Joe T needs to be at 30 min/game or more. He's one of the top 3-4 players on the team already and plays like a vet.

No, he doesn't. He's a great talent but 15-20 mins is about what he deserves at this point in the season. If JBo sits then I see that bumping up to 20-25. Kriener should be playing close to 20 also if he can stay out of foul trouble

 

[Hawkeyes4Life32]

I think it's clear that CMac, CJ, Joe W, and Garza all need to be playing 30+ in B10 play if JBo sits. So the breakdown I see in this case is:

CMac 30 mins
CJF 32 mins
Joe W 35 mins
Kriener 20 mins
Garza 30 mins

Bench
Joe T 23 mins
Evelyn 15 mins
Pemsl 10 mins
Till 5 mins

Patrick will take Pemsl and Till's minutes if he is able to play

 

[lesterfan]

By the end of the year Joe T will be playing 25 minutes a game IMO.

His turnovers have been a bit overblown at 16 total in 11 games. Yes, he is aggressive at forcing action and he makes some mistakes, but he brings a lot to the court and is going to improve every game as a true freshman.

I love watching CJF and Joe T play defense on the court at the same time. Its a big improvement over almost any perimeter defense in the Fran era.

 

[perryhawk]

By the end of the year Joe T will be playing 25 minutes a game IMO.

His turnovers have been a bit overblown at 16 total in 11 games. Yes, he is aggressive at forcing action and he makes some mistakes, but he brings a lot to the court and is going to improve every game as a true freshman.

I love watching CJF and Joe T play defense on the court at the same time. Its a big improvement over almost any perimeter defense in the Fran era.

11 TO's in 16 games.....not a real representative stat. Do we have turnovers per minutes played and a comparison with other guards? That would give us a more accurate picture.

 

[Legend12]

11 TO's in 16 games.....not a real representative stat. Do we have turnovers per minutes played and a comparison with other guards? That would give us a more accurate picture.

Joe T is averaging a TO every 10 minutes of play.
Connor is averaging a TO every 30 minutes of play.

 

[Zildjian6868]

Joe T is averaging a TO every 10 minutes of play.
Connor is averaging a TO every 30 minutes of play.

In all fairness a lot of these tos are because he is surprising his teammates with no looks and hard passes. As teammates get used to his style of play his tos will also go down.

 

[perryhawk]

In all fairness a lot of these tos are because he is surprising his teammates with no looks and hard passes. As teammates get used to his style of play his tos will also go down.

The turnovers that are concerning are those where Joe dribbles into traffic where he is getting the ball slapped away or jammed up, where the possibilities of making a play are minimal. He has done the same with some shots where he was just out of position to even be able to get a good shot up. The passes to others that have been good passes that the receiving player didn't handle are very very few.

All that said I think this kid has tremendous ability....he will be a really good player at some point. He shows in flashes that high level of ability that make all of us want him to do that on the floor regularly....what this boils down to is Fran working with and teaching him when and how he gets in trouble and how to avoid that.

The first part of the ISU game was the best he had played....he was great. He was playing at the right pace and making good decisions...and he was the best guard on the floor at that time. Then later he did what a lot of freshman do and got out over his ski's and ended up in a series of mistakes.

I think he will learn how to play at this level in this system....and it could be within the next couple of weeks...let's hope so. Fran has to figure out how to make that happen while inflicting as little damage to the winning recipe as possible. Again, low turnovers has been a big key to this teams success.

 

[Zildjian6868]

The turnovers that are concerning are those where Joe dribbles into traffic where he is getting the ball slapped away or jammed up, where the possibilities of making a play are minimal. He has done the same with some shots where he was just out of position to even be able to get a good shot up. The passes to others that have been good passes that the receiving player didn't handle are very very few.

All that said I think this kid has tremendous ability....he will be a really good player at some point. He shows in flashes that high level of ability that make all of us want him to do that on the floor regularly....what this boils down to is Fran working with and teaching him when and how he gets in trouble and how to avoid that.

The first part of the ISU game was the best he had played....he was great. He was playing at the right pace and making good decisions...and he was the best guard on the floor at that time. Then later he did what a lot of freshman do and got out over his ski's and ended up in a series of mistakes.

I think he will learn how to play at this level in this system....and it could be within the next couple of weeks...let's hope so. Fran has to figure out how to make that happen while inflicting as little damage to the winning recipe as possible. Again, low turnovers has been a big key to this teams success.

I agree. But that also these turnovers also diminish with experience. With Nunge going down, pmac not playing, and now Bohannon likely done for the year, options are kind of limited. Joe t is still adjusting to the speed of the game, but with our thin lineup he is unarguably the best option to gain significantly more minutes. He will be fine and the in-game experience will be huge for his development.

 

[perryhawk]

I agree. But that also these turnovers also diminish with experience. With Nunge going down, pmac not playing, and now Bohannon likely done for the year, options are kind of limited. Joe t is still adjusting to the speed of the game, but with our thin lineup he is unarguably the best option to gain significantly more minutes. He will be fine and the in-game experience will be huge for his development.

I agree with most of that....experience is a must..and he is now going to get it. But the turnovers are a concern and the sooner we get those under control the better.

 

[pocha444444]

No, he doesn't. He's a great talent but 15-20 mins is about what he deserves at this point in the season. If JBo sits then I see that bumping up to 20-25. Kriener should be playing close to 20 also if he can stay out of foul trouble

You fans on this board crack me up. We finally get the pg everyone has been clamoring for, and now people want to play Ryan Kreiner more minutes than him?! Lots of people on this board are going to look like fools by the end of the year, if they don't already.

And btw, yes he can work on reducing turnovers, but you guys are really blowing this out of proportion. When you're a playmaker, you will have some turnovers. I understand that we aren't used to having playmakers on this team, but if you watch an NBA game every once in awhile you would understand. Cartwright averaged more turnovers his last two years than Toussaint is currently. So did Pierre Pierce, as well as Anthony Clemmons for his first couple years.

If you can't already tell that Joe T is a top 3-4 player on this team, then I simply don't know what to tell you.

 

[pocha444444]

Joe T is averaging a TO every 10 minutes of play.
Connor is averaging a TO every 30 minutes of play.

Connor is also 4th in the nation in assist to turnover ratio, and isn't close to the playmaker that Toussaint is. There's room for both to get close to 30 min. Just wish we could surround them with better shooting assuming JBo shuts it down.

 

[Jumpshot00]

The thing I like most about JoeT is his defense. He can get up in a guy and force turnovers, also in the zone he actually moves quickly and gets things covered up. This will help balance out a few turnovers he may give away on the other end.

Connor has been really good as being a better, more versatile Nic Baer jack of all trades type. He can be the pg at times, but he'd also be good with Joe T on the floor to take off some of the pressure.

My most worrisome Fran lineup would include 3 or more of the weaker offensive players on the court at the same time-like a Till, Pemsl, Evelyn, Connor, Kreiner line up.

Keep your best players on the court as long as possbile-Wieskamp, CJ, Luka are the best offensive players. Figure out how to have at least 2 or those 3 on the court the entire game. Foul trouble could make this difficult on occasion. Connor and Joe T are effective defensively so in my opinion there are the top 5 minute guys.

Kriener rotates to keep the bigs fresh. Evelyn rotates to keep the 1-3 spots fresh. Till plays spot minutes. Pemsl I have no idea if he can function. I feel bad for him but he doesn't look like is physically able to compete in the Big Ten. I hope I am wrong on him.

 

[Hawkeyes4Life32]

You fans on this board crack me up. We finally get the pg everyone has been clamoring for, and now people want to play Ryan Kreiner more minutes than him?! Lots of people on this board are going to look like fools by the end of the year, if they don't already.

And btw, yes he can work on reducing turnovers, but you guys are really blowing this out of proportion. When you're a playmaker, you will have some turnovers. I understand that we aren't used to having playmakers on this team, but if you watch an NBA game every once in awhile you would understand. Cartwright averaged more turnovers his last two years than Toussaint is currently. So did Pierre Pierce, as well as Anthony Clemmons for his first couple years.

If you can't already tell that Joe T is a top 3-4 player on this team, then I simply don't know what to tell you.

My point is that Joe T has not shown enough yet to where he should automatically play 30+ mins every night. Could he get to that level by the end of the year? Maybe I don't know.

I think the ISU game was a perfect representation of why he isn't getting more minutes. He played great but down the stretch he made poor decisions on 3 straight possessions and lead to a big ISU run. Fran has to bench him in that situation, there's no other choice. Joe's going to learn and his situational awareness will get better but right now I think that alone is going to cap his minutes at about 25. The coaches seem to roll with Joe T until he does something that forces them to pull him out of the lineup. He's going to be given every opportunity to see the court but he has to earn his minutes.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Pemsl needs to really step up, or those 10-12 minutes will be problamatic, on both ends of the floor. Almost better to play Till 10 minutes and see what he can bring in a bigger role. I think at minimum he'd be better on the defensive side of the floor.

Or, use him after we commit our 6th foul. Try to leverage the 1-and-1 rules to create psuedo turnovers and give others a significant break in real time with little game time taken off.