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Banning the sale of guns does not go against the second amendment

The right to keep and bear arms is specifically and uniquely tied to the need for a well-regulated militia designed to safeguard the state.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Therefore, membership in same should be mandated prior to purchase.

Disagree,.. Notice in the above that the right to keep and bear arms is invested in "the people", not the militia,... And please understand that the time this was written individuals joining a state militia were typically expected to show with their own weapon... Having citizens with weapons allowed for the easy assembly of state militias, with regulation of the assembled militia being the responsibility of the "free state"...
 
I would say you are making a lot of logical leaps to support your narrative. What suggestions do you have?

Stop focusing so much on gun ownership,.. Direct more of your focus towards the sociopathic common thread that runs through all these events...
 
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Disagree,.. Notice in the above that the right to keep and bear arms is invested in "the people", not the militia,... And please understand that the time this was written individuals joining a state militia were typically expected to show with their own weapon... Having citizens with weapons allowed for the easy assembly of state militias, with regulation of the assembled militia being the responsibility of the "free state"...
I know the history of the Second Amendment. The right is invested in the people for a specific purpose. Period. It says so right there in the text. You can only deny that by ignoring that entire first clause. There is not one word in the amendment about personal defense. You can belong to and train with the National Guard. Your right to keep and bear arms is tied to your membership and attendance. Don't want to join, you can't own any semi-automatic weapons of any kind.
 
I know the history of the Second Amendment. The right is invested in the people for a specific purpose. Period. It says so right there in the text. You can only deny that by ignoring that entire first clause. There is not one word in the amendment about personal defense. You can belong to and train with the National Guard. Your right to keep and bear arms is tied to your membership and attendance. Don't want to join, you can't own any semi-automatic weapons of any kind.

If that were the case the "right to keep and bear arms" would be specifically tied to the militia itself, with no reason to even mention "the people"...
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I’ve always wondered about this language.

Probably after a late night, some drafter said, “Ah, shite! We left out those two clauses!! And we’re out of ink!”


“Well, it’s late, let’s fix it in the morning. On to the pub! “
 
I’d love to see gun sellers treated like abortionists were while Roe was the law of the land. Private sales are outlawed, first of all. Sure, you can deal guns, but it can’t be within 2 miles of a school. Your facility has to have a full sized shooting range with classrooms for gun safety courses to be taught. Anyone seeking to buy a gun has to watch a video with images of mutilated children killed by gunfire and come back the next day. A doctor must sign off on any gun purchase.

Enjoy your constitutional rights, but be ready to jump through a hundred hoops to get there.
 
Isn't a .177 a bb/pellet gun? You had to do a background check and register that?

Nope,. The .17 HMR is a .17 caliber projectile combined with a necked down .22 magnum rim fire cartridge. Very light, very fast, very flat... and very fun to shoot.
 
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Nope,. The .17 HMR is a .17 caliber projectile attached to a necked down .22 mag cartridge. Very light, very fast, very flat...
Gothca, never heard of that caliber. I just purchased some .177 bbs to plink away at some beach rats the neighbor brought over after feeding the damn squirrels peanuts and thought they were the same thing.
 
Don’t be a dipshit about the military comment. That is not an apples to apples comparison.

I was unaware you can only hunt with a gun. It’s almost like thousands of years of hunting without guns never existed.
Hard to kill birds with bows, don’t be a dumbass
 
Gothca, never heard of that caliber. I just purchased some .177 bbs to plink away at some beach rats the neighbor brought over after feeding the damn squirrels peanuts and thought they were the same thing.

The caliber, or diameter, of the two projectiles is very close,... (.170 vs .177),.. but otherwise they are very different animals...
 
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If that were the case the "right to keep and bear arms" would be specifically tied to the militia itself, with no reason to even mention "the people"...
It IS tied to the militia. Specifically and unequivocably. In order to form a militia, the people must be armed. If they refuse to join the militia, they have no rights under the Second Amendment since it exists SPECIFICALLY for that purpose. It says so.
 
The constitution! The 2A! We must protect the rules from 250 years ago, nothing can change!

Is it any wonder the people who spout about the bible also yell about the constitution? F----- weirdos who love the past-oes.
Don't like the Constitution? The founders provided 2 separate methods to amend it. Neither of those give Congress the right to legislate in defiance of it, though they try a lot.
 
Point to the laws that PREVENT any of the things below:
Murder
Rape
Burglarly/theft
Domestic abuse
Child Abuse
Sex trafficking
Drug trafficking
DUIs
Embezzlement
Lots of bad comparisons because the laws against those things are laws against specific acts.

I'll make it simple for you. Requiring a gun registration isn't outlawing misuse of the gun. If you follow that logic, you can extend it to the other examples. Stop being obtuse.
 
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Lots of bad comparisons because the laws against those things are laws against specific acts.

I'll make it simple for you. Requiring a gun registration isn't outlawing misuse of the gun. If you follow that logic, you can extend it to the other examples. Stop being obtuse.
FFS - registration and use are two separate things.

What is your specific opposition to registering guns? Do you feel the same about cars? Title for houses?
 
Lots of bad comparisons because the laws against those things are laws against specific acts.

I'll make it simple for you. Requiring a gun registration isn't outlawing misuse of the gun. If you follow that logic, you can extend it to the other examples. Stop being obtuse.
Here's your quote:
Which of your suggestions would prevent any mass shootings?
It's not about preventing it's about curbing these mass shootings and making it harder for people to carry out these heinous acts. JFC why even have laws, restrictions on anything based on your idiotic "it won't prevent it from happening" dipshittery?
 
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The right to keep and bear arms is specifically and uniquely tied to the need for a well-regulated militia designed to safeguard the state.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Therefore, membership in same should be mandated prior to purchase. And a bunch of Proud Boys carrying AR 15s doesn't constitute "well-regulated".
Oh for ****'s sake! If you want to ignore every Supreme Court case ever, I'm sure you're right.
 
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Oh for ****'s sake! If you want to ignore every Supreme Court case ever, I'm sure you're right.
The f’n Supreme Court ignores the Supreme Court. Find another tack or explain how the language of the Second doesn’t say exactly what it clearly says. For ****’s sake!!
 
The f’n Supreme Court ignores the Supreme Court. Find another tack or explain how the language of the Second doesn’t say exactly what it clearly says. For ****’s sake!!
It does say exactly what it clearly says and it has been explained quite clearly. The people's right to keep and bear arms may not be infringed. That is the problem we need to fix.
 
I don't really have a dog in the fight....I'm not anti-gun but I don't own one myself. I've shot guns, hunted, done the Machine Gun Vegas thing. Sure, it was fun, I just don't care to own a gun.

If you want to go to an extreme to make it harder for mass shootings to occur, limit civilian weapons to single shot rifles, single shot shotguns, and come up with a single shot handgun.
Limit purchase to one of each per person. At least it would be harder to kill a bunch of people at once if they had to reload and weren't carrying half a dozen weapons. Limit quantity of ammo.
Allow red flag laws with a universal nationwide registry.
Mandatory training for all three types of weapons.
Like I said, extreme.
Is it practical? No, because there will always be a black market. People will always scream bloody murder that their right to own 25 AR-15's is being infringed. But, if it saves one life, so be it.
Sounds like when my friends and I played Golden Eye and did Golden Gun - basement. I like the idea.
 
You’re not stopping people from owning them. You’re stopping people from selling them. Nothing in the BOR about that.

Ban the sale of whatever gun you want to get rid of. And ban the sale of the bullets for it. Make it a big penalty if caught doing this. Loss of license, huge fine, jail.

Has that been discussed by anti-gun people?
It would never pass the sniff test before a higher-level court.

This extremist gun-control agenda is why after every tragic school shooting event such as what happened in Nashville, I write a $100 check to the NRA-ILA and hopefully the other 5 million members do likewise.

And yes, I offer thoughts and prayers to the families that were impacted as no family should have to suffer at the hands of some nutcase sicko.
 
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If you’re a “real man” you’ll figure it out, not like hunters haven’t done it for thousands of years.
It’s a actual challenge
I prefer the shotgun for upland game. I’d put myself up against you as far as masculinity, and in agree that you don’t need to hunt or be a construction worker to be a man.
 
The constitution! The 2A! We must protect the rules from 250 years ago, nothing can change!

Is it any wonder the people who spout about the bible also yell about the constitution? F----- weirdos who love the past-oes.
The funny thing is that the concept that the 2nd amendment protects an individual right own guns is a fairly recent interpretation. For centuries local laws and restrictions were allowed. It wasn't until the 1970s that this concept started to emerge and wasn't codified until the 2000s.
 
It would never pass the sniff test before a higher-level court.

This extremist gun-control agenda is why after every tragic school shooting event such as what happened in Nashville, I write a $100 check to the NRA-ILA and hopefully the other 5 million members do likewise.

And yes, I offer thoughts and prayers to the families that were impacted as no family should have to suffer at the hands of some nutcase sicko.

Pete, is this sarcasm? If so bra-f’ing-vo because I def wanted to flip out and I need to commend you on the delivery. The thoughts and prayers line got me.
 
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