Beathard #21
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There goes the credibility of that list
We had the 20th and 21st power rated QB;s on the same team, and some you wonder why the coaches had a hard time deciding whom to play last year? Really? Jake does some things better than CJ and CJ does somethings better that Jake. If you could combine the 2, you'd be real close to having the 'perfect' QB.
It actually brought another question to mind, but your take is more positive. So I'll rub your belly and follow your more optimistic path. Namaste
Has Jake actually won a big game this year by making a pivotal play(s)? Lost to Utah & MSU.
All I have seen is a bunch of dump off passes.
All I have seen is a bunch of dump off passes.
Cody Sokol was pretty good too, three winning QB's on one team....not going to get into QB battle last year but more that it is impressive that we had 3 successful D1 starting QB's on one team.....that is pretty good QB evaluation from the staff
No he hasn't. He exhibits a lot of what we came to know. I have watched almost all of their games and he is very much the same. He did not have a good game against MSU. He threw many a poor pass. that said he has a great head coach who is wise in how to use Jake and I feel it is playing as much as it can to his strengths.
We are 7-0 this year with CJ. Jake had two NFL tackles and more talented wide receivers. The only thing Jake was better than CJ at is Organic Chemistry.
Iowa would not be 7-0 with Jake as our QB. Michigan would have 1 maybe 2 more wins with CJ as their QB. Honestly can't think of much that Jake does better than CJ? Check it down more...
Did jake have a top rated defense and special teams play last year? Are CJB's #'s any better than JR's last year? Do I think CJB is a better talent and have some intangibles that JR did or does not have, absolutely.....the problem is that everybody else in the entire country sees that JR is a solid QB, everybody sees it besides the KF haters and people who just like to bitch about everything and anything......
With our defense and special teams I am pretty sure we would be just fine, I think JR could hand the ball off to our RB's the last three weeks just like CJB has done....not discrediting CJB bc I love the kid, but objectively look at a few things and you would see that JR is/was a solid QB
I never said I hated JR or KF. But if you can't tell that CJ is a better QB than JR, I am not sure what you are watching.
I am very glad that we have CJB as our QB and I can say that CJB is a better QB this year the JR, what I am saying is that I could not say that confidently last year and his performance in the Purdue game and his other performances other than the second half of Pitt game last year.....I am also saying that JR got way to much heat and blame last year and CJB is getting way to much credit this year....he was brilliant against ISU and made plays in the Pitt game...but the reason we are winning this year compared to last is not our QB, it is our special teams, defense, and our running game.
CJ has a much better 'team' around him this year. I don't know what you were watching or don't understand. We didn't 'under perform' last year solely because of Jake. CJ did not play well at Wiscy, but the 'team' won the game. Would not have won that type of game last year regardless who the QB was.
At least Kirk can admit he had to change things from last year if you can't. CJ won us the Pitt game with his legs, JR wasn't going to do that.
CJ stayed in the pocket, while standing in the end zone against ISU when the game was still on the line and threw a bullet, JR would bail like a little girl. It's easy to say our running game, defense and special teams are better but everyone looks better when we have an accurate QB that can keep our offense on the field with critical third down throws. CJ makes GD horizontal passes effective with his strong arm quick release and accuracy. JR has none of that. It's nice to have the threat of the deep ball back which opens up alot offensively.
I don't really agree with this. Objectively, Jake is about the 60th ranked QB in the country. His stats bare it out. He has more INT then TDs and he only has 5 TDs on a team that is loaded with talent. I have seen Jake leave at least 5 sure-fire TDs on the field missing wide open receivers. he isn't a great runner. He has mobility but many times his lack of arm strength is a liability. This isn't subjective. this list is btw- as there is no way to have Jake with his stats at #20- he is there simply because he has played at Mich. He is a serviceable QB and he made a great choice to go to play for Harbaugh.
This doesn't have to be a comparison between CJ and Jake, its just about watching Jake play football. If you see him as a great talent than ok. I just don't agree with you.
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Sorry, there really isn't anything that Jake does better than CJ.
Arm? Not even close
Legs? Not even close
Knowledge of offense? No. Maybe you could call that a push
"It" factor? Not even close
Leadership? Not even close
Composure? I'd say that's close but CJ has shown to not get rattled. Jake gets a bit of happy feet from time to time
What else is there?
Jake was a good Hawk but there is nothing, NOTHING he does that is better than CJ.
People who are not well versed in football will always put to much blame on a QB and give to much credit as well. Our defense and special teams look better because of an accurate QB, really?!?!?! Our running game has opened up our passing game, not the other way around. Compare JR's stats against CJB's against Wisconsin this year? We lost last year and won this year because our defense, not CJB
I agree we are a better "team" this year. I think part of that is the leadership that CJ brings to the team, and that this team buys in to him. CJ did not play well at Wisky because he was running for his life the entire game. JR's decision making cost a bunch last year. He missed wide open receivers down field and across the middle multiple times every game last year. I am not a JR hater. By all account he is a good person, and as a QB he can manage a game.We are not 7-0 this year with JR as QB.
Look I am not saying JR is better than CJB, what I am saying is JR got to much blame last year and CJB is getting too much credit this year. I get that goes with the territory of being a QB, both good QB's and obviously CJB has a much more potential.
Our defense looks better when our offense stays on the field and converts third downs. CJ gives receivers the opportunity to run after the catch much more often than JR which leads to staying ahead of the chains and being able to use the run game more often. I'm sure you were pointing to stats last year when JR padded them at the end of games with the game out of reach as well.
Im not sure everyone is reading this ranking correctly. This is a ranking of the QBs of the AP top 25 teams only. So Rudock and Beathard had to be on the list.
Not going to argue with you. If you get a chance, ask GD or KF. But we are talking about where they were LAST year, not now.
Knowledge of offense: Jake
Experience: Jake
Progressions: Jake
Game manager: Jake
Fewer turnovers and mistakes: Jake
Line calls: Jake
Completion %: Jake
These are things that the coaches said last year and they could probably tell you more and they may argue with you over some that you say 'aren't' even close. But they would be the ones to ask, not anyone on this board.
^^^This......CJB this year is probably a different story and I think the biggest thing CJB has done this year has nothing to do with arm strength or ability to run...it has been his leadership and toughness
Take CJ out of the discussion....does anyone in their right mind feel as though JR is #20 in the country? Come on.......
The only thing the Michigan QB does better than CJ, maybe, is organic chemistry. Other than that, who the hell cares about a kid who was babied for two years at Iowa and then, when the going got tough, he got going. Give it up, people. The Michigan QB quit on Iowa. Why do some of you insist on trying to make him something he isn't, never was, and never will be?
Ya love the Michigan QB? Be Michigan fans and leave the rest of us alone.
Oh, and BTW: Who the hell is the QB of the 7-0, #12 team in the country, and who is the QB of a 5-2 poser?
Ya love the Michigan QB? Be Michigan fans and leave the rest of us alone.
Oh, and BTW: Who the hell is the QB of the 7-0, #12 team in the country, and who is the QB of a 5-2 poser?
You are pathetic, constant negativity. All most of us are saying is that JR got way to much blame last year from dipshits like yourself.....with your hatred of KF and your constant painting everything negative about the program maybe you should heed your own advice and find another team to root for
I remember the Maryland game specifically ending up a one score game when we were not in it at all. I should have stated he padded his stats against prevent defenses like he did against Ball St at the end in one of the most pathetic offensive performances I've ever seen. Those horribly thrown 4 yard outs turned into 10-15 yard gains against a prevent defense. I'll agree to disagree on how much impact CJ has on other facets of the offense.
Should really consider quoting me if you want to plagiarize my thoughts.
if I recall correctly you were one of Kirk's minions calling me an idiot when i posted this very post on this board. but i'm glad you finally came around.
Fact: If CJ were playing for Michigan, they would win the B1G Championship with zero losses.
Not exactly a fact but i do agree with the sentiment....if a healthy CJ played for Mich last Saturday they would have beat MSU by 2 TD's.
