Beathard #21
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Well I will say that you are far from the problem when it comes to KF bashing for no reason, that I will admit. 8-4 prediction would be a fair assessment and no need to eat crow. The reason I refuse to eat crow for our QB controversy is because it was not clear who was the best QB last year, it was clear who had the better upside and better talent yes. However, when given opportunities last year CJB did not look like CJB this year. In fact he looked awful in his one and only start against the worst team in BigTen and that bubble screen that is $ this year he threw at MM feet 3 times in a row against Indiana. Yes he looked great against Pitt 2nd 1/2, but other than that nothing. Many point to CJB's success this year and try compare this year to last and act as though CJB did not improve significantly over the off season and to make matters worse people just assume CJB made himself better and the coaches are not the reason he is on campus. That is all I am saying, bc I can confidently say that CJB is the better QB this season, but I find it hard that anybody has any tangible evidence that he was clearly better last year (other than potential) Furthermore, people act as though KF is conspiring to not play his best players. As if that makes sense?!?!
It hardly matters at this point but you are characterizing CJ's play as much different this year to last. First he did not get much PT and second as he mentioned heading into this season that is was helpful getting reps with the first team. I would take this and it makes sense that he did not see much first team reps to get a better comfort level with some receivers last year.
I recall the Ball St game that we struggled to score until the last 5 minutes. CJ played a series in the second quarter and threw a beatifull 45-50 yard TD pass to Powell in the corner of the end zone on 3rd & 8. Powell had a slight bobble (it looked like a TD to me) and it was ruled incomplete. We did not see CJ again this game.
We know about Pitt.
I recall the Purdue game which you are stating was awful. He threw an early pick 6 but also our receivers dropped 7 passes. Despite his early struggles and the drops I thought he played well in the second half making some awesome throws on scoring drives.
Jake was not an awful QB but I would argue was the third best among CJ, Sokol and himself. Last year Jake lead a loss to an awful ISU team. He threw a momentum changing pick in the second half after we were up 14-3. They scored and it was a new ball game. He was not the sole reason we lost that day but did nothing that really lifted us to victory either. He threw the game deciding pick 6 at Maryland when the game was on the line. He also melted down against Nebby. Missed throwing to a wide open Powell in the second half that was going to be a TD and possibly a game winning play that would have snuffed out their comeback. A game we lost in OT that was tied very late.
I would also argue that if Jake was the starter this year we would be 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I would also argue that if CJ was the QB at Michigan they would be 7-0.
Led Iowa on 4 scoring drives and 3 more drives that ended inside the 10 with no points not converting on 4th down. This is despite his receivers having a very bad case of the drops in the first half.(7 or 8)
Had 420 yards of offense despite very poor receiver play that day.
Hopelessly biased.
Lol you just can't admit it can you? Even if you say somehow CJ wasn't truly better last year but he had the potential why wouldn't he be getting all the first team reps leading into last season to speed up that learning curve. That's where the coaches made a mistake. We new JR'S ceiling and his limitations and even if you "perceive" there may have been a slight drop off, you have to be more forward thinking than KF was.
You can't be so risk averse that you hurt the future of your program. I think BF has convinced KF to change his views on certain things and it's been fun to watch.
No conspiracy, but he doesn't have a good handle on QB's based on his horrible track record. KF really shouldn't be involved in who starts at QB ever again. Anything he says out QB play should be dismissed out of hand.
I sat at the spring game 2 years ago and thought Rudock was the worst of the three. Pencil neck, weak arm, slow.
Time is bearing that out to be true.
And what would that be that I am wrong about? CJ being a better QB than Rudock? Ha yeah ok right. Even Captain Kirk wouldn't agree with you on that one, but keep spitting your bull shit if it makes you feel better instead of admitting that you were wrong. I'm Bill O'Reilly? Then what does that make you? It's funny that almost everything you say in the first half of your post could have easily been posted by someone else directed at you. It's much more fitting that way.
Well if I'm Bill O'Reilly then you are the typical Republican on the global warming debate, continuing to alter your argument as you continue to be proven wrong. First there was no such thing as global warming. Then well maybe there's global warming, but humans aren't contributing to it. Then well maybe we're contributing to it, but it's way too expensive and not feasible to do anything about at this time. Compared with;
- Jake's the better QB, we aren't at practice, blah blah blah
- Maybe CJ has more talent, but Jake's better at checks at the line and makes less mistakes, gives a better chance to win, blah blah blah
- We have two good quarterbacks, it's too hard to tell who is better, have to trust the coaches since we aren't at practice
- Ok well CJ looks better this year, but that's because he has a better team around him (which is laughable, Jake had a better WR corp and a much better line)
- CJ is better, but that's only because he improved 5 seasons worth in the offseason because that's what Kirk said, and he would never say something like this to try and cover his ass (I'm not even sure if you believe this, you might be dumb enough to still think Jake is better than CJ)
And I can't believe I have to explain to you how ridiculous your car example is. I watch college football my entire life which helps me determine a good quarterback from an average quarterback. I watch people drive cars my entire life which helps me determine a good driver from an average one. We are evaluating the end product (players on the field), not the job of a mechanic. Now if the mechanic made the decision of what drivers could and couldn't drive on the road, then you would have a point, but of course they do not. And of course you prove yourself an idiot yet again.
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Agree. CJ does just about everything better than Jake where being a QB is concerned. No disrespect at all to Jake, but CJ has the far stronger arm, is more accurate (especially on the deep ball), is more decisive in the pocket, is more mobile, and is a stronger leader. I root for Jake and wish him the best, but CJ is the better QB, hands down.
Just keep on posting Foley, you help everyone feel better about themselves. Your stupidity is an honorable public service.
