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Not going to argue with you. If you get a chance, ask GD or KF. But we are talking about where they were LAST year, not now.
Knowledge of offense: Jake
Experience: Jake
Progressions: Jake
Game manager: Jake
Fewer turnovers and mistakes: Jake
Line calls: Jake
Completion %: Jake
These are things that the coaches said last year and they could probably tell you more and they may argue with you over some that you say 'aren't' even close. But they would be the ones to ask, not anyone on this board.

this meaningless analysis should caution you from ever taking what KF says about his QB's as Bible next time around.

How many times does he have to play the wrong QB before people figure out he has no clue about QB's?

nor WR nor RB for that matter. OL, sure. stick to the OL Kirk.
 
Not going to argue with you. If you get a chance, ask GD or KF. But we are talking about where they were LAST year, not now.
Knowledge of offense: Jake
Experience: Jake
Progressions: Jake
Game manager: Jake
Fewer turnovers and mistakes: Jake
Line calls: Jake
Completion %: Jake
These are things that the coaches said last year and they could probably tell you more and they may argue with you over some that you say 'aren't' even close. But they would be the ones to ask, not anyone on this board.

Because coaches are pretty prone to saying things like 'the back up is so much better at things than the starter'
 
Cody Sokol was pretty good too, three winning QB's on one team....not going to get into QB battle last year but more that it is impressive that we had 3 successful D1 starting QB's on one team.....that is pretty good QB evaluation from the staff
And yet Sokol couldn't get one sniff of play when Vandy struggled terribly as a senior. I love KF, but no one has ever questioned his evaluation skills. His problem has been over loyalty/conservative tendencies in favoring an older starter over a younger inexperienced player. Thankfully, I think that has changed some in the last year.
 
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Did jake have a top rated defense and special teams play last year? Are CJB's #'s any better than JR's last year? Do I think CJB is a better talent and have some intangibles that JR did or does not have, absolutely.....the problem is that everybody else in the entire country sees that JR is a solid QB, everybody sees it besides the KF haters and people who just like to bitch about everything and anything......
Are you related to Jake? Come on man. I've watched a good amount of Michigan football this year and Rudock looks average at best. He is missing a lot of easy throws for about 15-20 yards.
 
People really still don't understand that CJ's ability to stretch the field has opened up the running game this year and not allowed teams to load the box? Not having Weisman running th ball has also helped but so has CJ. Also that list is a joke with Rudock at #20 and Hogan at #5.
 
With our defense and special teams I am pretty sure we would be just fine, I think JR could hand the ball off to our RB's the last three weeks just like CJB has done....not discrediting CJB bc I love the kid, but objectively look at a few things and you would see that JR is/was a solid QB
One of the reasons our running game is much better this year is because opposing defenses respect CJ's ability to throw deep and are not able to stack the box the way they did against JR. So no, JR could not just hand off to our RB's this year with the same results.
 
Please go back and read DirtyJohn's post (#26). These ratings are only for the teams that are ranked in the top 25. What they are saying is that we have one of the worst qb's of any rated team.
 
People who are not well versed in football will always put to much blame on a QB and give to much credit as well. Our defense and special teams look better because of an accurate QB, really?!?!?! Our running game has opened up our passing game, not the other way around. Compare JR's stats against CJB's against Wisconsin this year? We lost last year and won this year because our defense, not CJB

You are delusional if you don't think a good quarterback can improve the running game and/or the defense (stats) by keeping them off the field and putting them in better field positions. I thought you said you were a football coach?
 
Are you related to Jake? Come on man. I've watched a good amount of Michigan football this year and Rudock looks average at best. He is missing a lot of easy throws for about 15-20 yards.

No but he is a local Iowa high school coach who may or may not have a former player of his on the current Iowa team and is personal friends with KF. He is also very defensive of KF and is very biased in his commentary.
 
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Should really consider quoting me if you want to plagiarize my thoughts.

if I recall correctly you were one of Kirk's minions calling me an idiot when i posted this very post on this board. but i'm glad you finally came around.
Nope. Your memory is as bad as your intelligence.
 
Fact: If CJ were playing for Michigan, they would win the B1G Championship with zero losses.

Do you know what a fact is? Obviously not. I love all the coulda, woulda, shoulda, stuff on this board and people calling it or presenting it as 'fact'.
If the Prophet was playing for Michigan this year, they would be undefeated, Fact!
Prove me wrong!
 
Are you related to Jake? Come on man. I've watched a good amount of Michigan football this year and Rudock looks average at best. He is missing a lot of easy throws for about 15-20 yards.
Nah I am not related to JR and I also certainly do not think he is better than CJB nor do I think he is anything more than a solid QB, but yes I think he is solid. All I am saying is that he gets way to criticism from our fanbase that is very unwarranted. Although I think CJB is awesome and love him to death, people are also giving him more credit than he deserves. Look in our only 3 BigTen games he has been less than spectacular against Wisconsin, Illinois, and NW and we still won. Is CJB a huge part in this years team, absolutely....but he is also getting much more support from the other faucets of the team that JR did not get last year. That is all I am saying in the thread, bc I think CJB has developed into possibly the best QB in KF era or at least he can be in that conversation
 
No but he is a local Iowa high school coach who may or may not have a former player of his on the current Iowa team and is personal friends with KF. He is also very defensive of KF and is very biased in his commentary.
Certainly not a local coach, I coach in Colorado Springs CO....hence milehigh in username. Was position coach for very successful program in Iowa and have since moved to CO and trying to get some of our players interested in Iowa for we have several D1 kids every year and many go east to play. I am not friends with KF, although that would be pretty cool, I am in contact with several assistants mostly BK, Coach Morgan (from time in Iowa), Lavar, and a little bit with coach Reid....most initial contact begins with Coach southmayd though. I do not get a ton of inside info other than when we go to tailgaters and i get a chance to speak with coaches "off the record" where they speak a bit more candid about player situations and things of that nature. Some things I say might seem biased b/c I am afforded some "inside" information and other times it might seem biased because it is. If you had the opportunity to interact with as many college coaches as I do it can be very refreshing to have interactions with coaches like KF and his staff (there are others out there but not many) because high school prospects and their coaches do not feel like they are on a used car lot being told everything you want to hear.
 
this meaningless analysis should caution you from ever taking what KF says about his QB's as Bible next time around.

How many times does he have to play the wrong QB before people figure out he has no clue about QB's?

nor WR nor RB for that matter. OL, sure. stick to the OL Kirk.

I thought we already established that you are more knowledgeable and more qualified to decide who the starting QB should be?
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"WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN TO THE ANONYMOUS POSTERS ON HAWKEYE REPORT!!!" "WHY, WHY, WHY".
 
Look in our only 3 BigTen games he has been less than spectacular against Wisconsin, Illinois, and NW and we still won.

while playing injured with a true freshman WR in place of his #1 WR.

you can still see the talent. the throw to the TE in the Wisconsin game. the deep throws to Jerminic in the Illinois game. He didn't need to be spectacular in the NU game because the OL was dominating. it helps the run game when the defense knows the opposing QB can really hurt them deep and you can't just send 11 guys at the line nearly every play. oh and having the #1 RB on the team actually playing that somehow started the year at #4 helps too.

Wadley has skills that you simply cannot coach.
 
Jake has started in the B1G for THREE YEARS and is still light years behind CJ. CJ is also pretty roughed up at this point in the season and his numbers have taken a hit due to that. His accuracy is sub-par due to him being hurt, not to mention what he can do with his legs. Kid is a player and winner. Jake is below average and would have made a great backup for us but he couldn't handle being the second guy. Not a good leader in my eyes.
 
while playing injured with a true freshman WR in place of his #1 WR.

you can still see the talent. the throw to the TE in the Wisconsin game. the deep throws to Jerminic in the Illinois game. He didn't need to be spectacular in the NU game because the OL was dominating. it helps the run game when the defense knows the opposing QB can really hurt them deep and you can't just send 11 guys at the line nearly every play. oh and having the #1 RB on the team actually playing that somehow started the year at #4 helps too.

Wadley has skills that you simply cannot coach.
Not getting into wadley thing again with you, LOL........but you are kind of saying the same things I am saying, despite CJB not playing well (injuries or not) we have other faucets this year that can overcome these things and still get the W....
 
Jake has started in the B1G for THREE YEARS and is still light years behind CJ. CJ is also pretty roughed up at this point in the season and his numbers have taken a hit due to that. His accuracy is sub-par due to him being hurt, not to mention what he can do with his legs. Kid is a player and winner. Jake is below average and would have made a great backup for us but he couldn't handle being the second guy. Not a good leader in my eyes.
I agree that he lacks in leadership and does not have near the fortitude that CJB has
 
Please go back and read DirtyJohn's post (#26). These ratings are only for the teams that are ranked in the top 25. What they are saying is that we have one of the worst qb's of any rated team.

Not to mention that the ratings suck. Beathard is something like #55 in QB efficiency, whereas Rudock is about #90 overall.

Basically it's Yahoo clickbait.
 
while playing injured with a true freshman WR in place of his #1 WR.

you can still see the talent. the throw to the TE in the Wisconsin game. the deep throws to Jerminic in the Illinois game. He didn't need to be spectacular in the NU game because the OL was dominating. it helps the run game when the defense knows the opposing QB can really hurt them deep and you can't just send 11 guys at the line nearly every play. oh and having the #1 RB on the team actually playing that somehow started the year at #4 helps too.

Wadley has skills that you simply cannot coach.

Do you really believe that you know more about football, evaluating talent, grading out positions (in practice) to determine a starter, etc. than college football coaches and some of the H.S. coaches on this site? Really?
This goes for you also Pacha and some others. To people that do understand, you don't realize how ridiculous you sound. Are you incapable or unwilling to try to learn? Serious question. If you haven't listened to BF's interview, you should and try to LEARN while you are listening to him.
 
Do you really believe that you know more about football, evaluating talent, grading out positions (in practice) to determine a starter, etc. than college football coaches and some of the H.S. coaches on this site? Really?
This goes for you also Pacha and some others. To people that do understand, you don't realize how ridiculous you sound. Are you incapable or unwilling to try to learn? Serious question. If you haven't listened to BF's interview, you should and try to LEARN while you are listening to him.

This argument gets really old after awhile. You defend Kirk to the death on every single aspect of his coaching, and no one can argue against you because "we aren't coaches and aren't at practice."

First in response to your comment about people like myself not being able to argue with high school coaches on this site. I'm not trying to sound arrogant here, I'm not saying that I or anyone else knows more than the high school coaches on this site. It is ridiculous to assume, however, that someone that works with high school football players automatically knows more about evaluating college football player talent than someone like myself. I played the game and have watched thousands upon thousands of hours of college football in my lifetime. You really think I don't know what gets it done at the college level after watching college football my entire life? I don't need the prestigious high school coach label to be able to figure that out.

And in response to your reference to people like myself knowing more than the college coaches. Obviously they have the built in advantage of seeing the guys in practice every day. Almost every personnel decision they make should be the correct one since they have this access. That doesn't mean that these coaches are without fault, however. This is something that people like yourself, milehighhawk, and others don't seem to understand. Unless you really do think that college football coaches are flawless? I like Kirk and support him, but I can point out his flaws and will criticize him if he deserves it (like when he has Rudock and Weisman start almost all of last season). You should try it some time. People will start taking you more seriously.
 
This argument gets really old after awhile. You defend Kirk to the death on every single aspect of his coaching, and no one can argue against you because "we aren't coaches and aren't at practice."

First in response to your comment about people like myself not being able to argue with high school coaches on this site. I'm not trying to sound arrogant here, I'm not saying that I or anyone else knows more than the high school coaches on this site. It is ridiculous to assume, however, that someone that works with high school football players automatically knows more about evaluating college football player talent than someone like myself. I played the game and have watched thousands upon thousands of hours of college football in my lifetime. You really think I don't know what gets it done at the college level after watching college football my entire life? I don't need the prestigious high school coach label to be able to figure that out.

And in response to your reference to people like myself knowing more than the college coaches. Obviously they have the built in advantage of seeing the guys in practice every day. Almost every personnel decision they make should be the correct one since they have this access. That doesn't mean that these coaches are without fault, however. This is something that people like yourself, milehighhawk, and others don't seem to understand. Unless you really do think that college football coaches are flawless? I like Kirk and support him, but I can point out his flaws and will criticize him if he deserves it (like when he has Rudock and Weisman start almost all of last season). You should try it some time. People will start taking you more seriously.
This goes both ways my friend, especially when we are 7 games into the season and we have to hear about a QB controversy last year (again) and who the RB was last year (again) and how Willies was the best WR in Hawkeye history with 3 catches (again) and how Wadley should be our #1 RB when he has fumbled every 12 carries when this was the same kid in which these same people who are now complaining he isn't starting were bitching a few years ago how we recruited yet another subdivision player...that shit gets old too...especially when we should be enjoying ourselves at 7-0 and ranked 12th....furthermore, I do not pretend that I know more about football than everybody else, but I will say that playing football back in the day and sitting on your ass and watching college football is much different than actually coaching. Look I have coached 13 players who have played or is playing D1 football and dozens more playing at lower levels. I have visited 12 different college campuses and spoke with over 60 college staffs each and every year....I do not know more than the next guy when it comes to football in itself, but I do know a few things about coaching in general and how difficult being a coach really is..
 
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People really still don't understand that CJ's ability to stretch the field has opened up the running game this year and not allowed teams to load the box? Not having Weisman running th ball has also helped but so has CJ. Also that list is a joke with Rudock at #20 and Hogan at #5.

Exactly. Plus look at the OL we had last year with experience and 2 NFL tackles and look how efficient CJ has been with a young line shuffling players in and out with injuries.

As for the list I agree it is such a joke that he is one spot ahead of CJ. As for Hogan the media has such a love fest for Stanford this year it's pathetic. Amazing how they just forget about the N'western game and use the excuses for that game and claim it was a fluke loss.
 
This argument gets really old after awhile. You defend Kirk to the death on every single aspect of his coaching, and no one can argue against you because "we aren't coaches and aren't at practice."

First in response to your comment about people like myself not being able to argue with high school coaches on this site. I'm not trying to sound arrogant here, I'm not saying that I or anyone else knows more than the high school coaches on this site. It is ridiculous to assume, however, that someone that works with high school football players automatically knows more about evaluating college football player talent than someone like myself. I played the game and have watched thousands upon thousands of hours of college football in my lifetime. You really think I don't know what gets it done at the college level after watching college football my entire life? I don't need the prestigious high school coach label to be able to figure that out.

And in response to your reference to people like myself knowing more than the college coaches. Obviously they have the built in advantage of seeing the guys in practice every day. Almost every personnel decision they make should be the correct one since they have this access. That doesn't mean that these coaches are without fault, however. This is something that people like yourself, milehighhawk, and others don't seem to understand. Unless you really do think that college football coaches are flawless? I like Kirk and support him, but I can point out his flaws and will criticize him if he deserves it (like when he has Rudock and Weisman start almost all of last season). You should try it some time. People will start taking you more seriously.

I care about you taking me seriously? That's a hoot. According to your twisted logic, since I drive a car and have watched 1000's of people drive cars, that makes me an expert on electronic ignition systems and the inner workings of the internal combustion engine and I should be able to build a car from the ground up or criticize a mechanic on how he repairs a vehicle. That is exactly what you just said about football.
OK, I'll bite. Tell us in great detail 'what gets it done' at the college level. I can't wait to hear this. You couldn't tell me (us) one drill they do at Iowa. You can't tell us anything about their schemes and each players responsibility within that scheme. etc...
Also, according to your 'logic', if Wadley fumbles everyday in practice, misses blitz pick-ups in practice, goes half speed in practice, he should start over Weisman last year and Daniels this year because in your expert opinion he is more talented. Got it. And if CJ misses all his reads in practice, constantly throws behind recievers or throws interceptions in practice, etc. he should start because YOU say he has a stronger arm or whatever. A coach is going to look at that in practice and say 'looky there Greg, did you see how strong his arm was in throwing it right to the safety! We need to start him'. Lol.
You don't have enough knowledge, experience or practice information to make a judgment about anyone and you should listen to some of the coaches on here. You might actually learn something.
 
Milehighhawkeye, out of curiosity which HS do you coach in the Springs? I live there also and wouldn't mind catching some good HS football. You can pm me if you prefer.
 
Please go back and read DirtyJohn's post (#26). These ratings are only for the teams that are ranked in the top 25. What they are saying is that we have one of the worst qb's of any rated team.


They are saying that the #13 Hawks have the #21 QB. I think he is pretty good. Remember, his stats are a little down due to his nagging injury.
 
Man I hope CJB is 100% after the bye week. Although, with the hawks RBs and elite D, it should not matter who plays QB.
 
Milehighhawkeye, out of curiosity which HS do you coach in the Springs? I live there also and wouldn't mind catching some good HS football. You can pm me if you prefer.
I coach at Vista Ridge, you missed a great match up earlier this year when we lost to #1 ranked Pine Creek Pine Creek is very good and has a kid going to Nebby that is pretty solid. This is my 2nd year in the Springs and coached in the Des Moines suburbs prior to that. We might be making a move to Denver or Fort Collins after this school year, a few 5A schools might have opening and interest in new DC and the pay is just so much better
 
I care about you taking me seriously? That's a hoot. According to your twisted logic, since I drive a car and have watched 1000's of people drive cars, that makes me an expert on electronic ignition systems and the inner workings of the internal combustion engine and I should be able to build a car from the ground up or criticize a mechanic on how he repairs a vehicle. That is exactly what you just said about football.
OK, I'll bite. Tell us in great detail 'what gets it done' at the college level. I can't wait to hear this. You couldn't tell me (us) one drill they do at Iowa. You can't tell us anything about their schemes and each players responsibility within that scheme. etc...
Also, according to your 'logic', if Wadley fumbles everyday in practice, misses blitz pick-ups in practice, goes half speed in practice, he should start over Weisman last year and Daniels this year because in your expert opinion he is more talented. Got it. And if CJ misses all his reads in practice, constantly throws behind recievers or throws interceptions in practice, etc. he should start because YOU say he has a stronger arm or whatever. A coach is going to look at that in practice and say 'looky there Greg, did you see how strong his arm was in throwing it right to the safety! We need to start him'. Lol.
You don't have enough knowledge, experience or practice information to make a judgment about anyone and you should listen to some of the coaches on here. You might actually learn something.

And you respond by confirming exactly what I said in my post. How many practices have you been at? And nice car example, that's a spot on comparison (sarcasm). I need to stop getting into arguments with people that miss the point (prophethawk), and people that miss the point while not being able to put together a comprehensible sentence (milehighhawk). Someone else step in please, I can feel myself getting dumber.
 
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I actually think the whole list makes an obvious observation - the factors surrounding the quarterback significantly determines where they are on the list. Baylor spreads the offense and lights up the score board - am I to believe that guy is going to have the same pile-on stats if he is in Iowa? No. Would he be # 1 if he was at Iowa? No. Then why do the list?
 
And you respond by confirming exactly what I said in my post. How many practices have you been at? And nice car example, that's a spot on comparison (sarcasm). I need to stop getting into arguments with people that miss the point (prophethawk), and people that miss the point while not being able to put together a comprehensible sentence (milehighhawk). Someone else step in please, I can feel myself getting dumber.
Look man I am not trying to be confrontational in the slightest, but I will say you are making it very difficult. The only thing I am saying is that we had to hear people bitching for 8 months and for some longer, some of which is justifiable. However, t you and others constant negativity is just unwarranted at this point. Many predicted Iowa's downfall, KF being done after this year, a sub .500 record, and on and on. That did not happen, many admitted to being wrong and ate their crow. Others, like yourself, for some reason just continue to just look for anything to bitch about.....most of which is or should be water under the bridge such as and limited to QB battle last year, Willies transfer, who our RB was last year, why isn't Wadley 1st string, how shitty our recruiting is and has been....you would think that a 7-0 and rankings of 12th would shut you guys up, but apparently not.
To make matters worse, you claim that because you played football years ago and sit on your ass all Saturday and watch CFB that you know "what it takes to get it done" at the college level....are you Fing kidding me with this crap!?!?!
 
They are saying of the 25 ranked teams Iowa has the 21st best qb.

Yup, and where is Iowa ranked? last time I checked Iowa was #13. We are both right, two ways of saying it.

- of the top 25 ranked teams Iowa has the 21st best QB
- #13 ranked Iowa has the #21 rated QB per this article (some guy's opinion).
 
Look man I am not trying to be confrontational in the slightest, but I will say you are making it very difficult. The only thing I am saying is that we had to hear people bitching for 8 months and for some longer, some of which is justifiable. However, t you and others constant negativity is just unwarranted at this point. Many predicted Iowa's downfall, KF being done after this year, a sub .500 record, and on and on. That did not happen, many admitted to being wrong and ate their crow. Others, like yourself, for some reason just continue to just look for anything to bitch about.....most of which is or should be water under the bridge such as and limited to QB battle last year, Willies transfer, who our RB was last year, why isn't Wadley 1st string, how shitty our recruiting is and has been....you would think that a 7-0 and rankings of 12th would shut you guys up, but apparently not.
To make matters worse, you claim that because you played football years ago and sit on your ass all Saturday and watch CFB that you know "what it takes to get it done" at the college level....are you Fing kidding me with this crap!?!?!

Perhaps you are misunderstanding my post about knowing what it takes to get it done at the college level. I was merely pointing out that I have eyes just like you do and we both watch the games. Just because you coach high school kids doesn't automatically mean you are better than me or other at identifying the talent you watch on Saturdays. Maybe you are, but it's not because you are a high school coach. That's a ridiculous assumption to make.

I do not constantly bitch about Kirk on here. I have always been a Kirk supporter (even though I recognized his flaws) up until the end of last season when I thought it was finally time he was let go. This was before I knew that he would be naming CJ the starting QB and making other changes, however. Then I was taking a wait and see approach. I guess I will eat crow since I predicted a 8-4 season this year and it looks like they will easily surpass that. The only reason I posted in this thread is because some like yourself can't eat crow on the QB controversy last season. It was clear that CJ was the better QB last season despite what you say. It was so predictable that any success CJ had this year would be attributed to his progress over the off season or a better team around him. And that is exactly what is happening. I'll admit I was wrong on Kirk if you admit you were wrong on CJ. Deal?
 
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