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Ben Carson on MSNBC

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I don't know much about Ben Carson other than what I've seen him say in the debate, and apparently there's a documentary of his life that's must see viewing (I've not seen it). A new poll from the DMR has him at 18% to Trump's 23%, so MSNBC is beginning to take note.

In this 9 minute video, there are 4 minutes of Positive Ben Carson PR, followed by 5 minutes of an entirely one-sided panel trying to tear him down (with the exception one old white man who gets cut off before finishing his thought). MSNBC must be getting a little concerned about Ben, and maybe it's time to learn more about him. Here's the link:
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris...-emerges-as-unlikely-frontrunner-516030531622
 
He's got a shot in the primaries for sure. But with the things he said about homosexuality being a choice, Obamacare is worse than 9/11 or slavery, veterans dying being a gift from God, etc. he'll get eaten up in a general election. Outside of the primaries most people don't share his opinions.
 
He's a slightly smarter version of Herman Cain. Very slim chance he gets the nomination. No chance at all in a general election.
 
He does well with the born again types. He has strong appeal to a very vocal, active block in Iowa politics that does not care for Donald Trump. Trump is thrice married and has whiffed on easy questions about how faith affects him. Carson doesn't fail on these questions, so he's the default choice for the anti-establishment crowd. He will crater faster than Trump.
 
because just like herman cain, ben carson will get the boot. legit or not, he's a black guy, but he's not "their" black guy. you know? barry is "their" black guy.
I believe you've hit the nail on the head, and, in the MSNBC video, they actually say this exact thing. in short, "He's black, and he's one of us because of his upbringing, but he's a Republican, so he's not one of us."
 
because just like herman cain, ben carson will get the boot. legit or not, he's a black guy, but he's not "their" black guy. you know? barry is "their" black guy.

"Their" guy? He's not the GOP's guy? Why might that be? Are you saying they will give him the boot because he's black? That's a terrible thing to say. Only the GOP CAN give him the boot at the moment, you know.

It's rather obvious he's not the Dem's guy and the color of his skin has absolutely nothing to do with that.
 
"Their" guy? He's not the GOP's guy? Why might that be? Are you saying they will give him the boot because he's black? That's a terrible thing to say. Only the GOP CAN give him the boot at the moment, you know.

It's rather obvious he's not the Dem's guy and the color of his skin has absolutely nothing to do with that.


I think, by they, OiT was referring to the Bilderbergs, or maybe our Alien Overlords. One can never be sure.
 
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Well, during the last two elections the GOP has been told that the only reason we dont vote for Obama is because of his skin color. It should work the same for the dems
 
"Their" guy? He's not the GOP's guy? Why might that be? Are you saying they will give him the boot because he's black? That's a terrible thing to say. Only the GOP CAN give him the boot at the moment, you know.

It's rather obvious he's not the Dem's guy and the color of his skin has absolutely nothing to do with that.
In the case of the MSNBC panel, they were referring to black people. As in, Obama was the black people's black man, while Ben Carson at first glance is as well, until they realize he's Republican, then he's not. It was in no way about the Republicans rejecting him.
 
Because he's the "token black guy" of the GOP for this election cycle? Just like the Hermain Cain was a more charismatic Alan Keys comparison made in 2012
Calling Ben Carson the 'token black guy' in the GOP race is just wrong.

Cain had skeleton's in his closet. I doubt Carson has those. Keyes was characterized as being shrill and blunt. Again, Carson does not exhibit those qualities. Can he gain enough momentum and $$$ to be a factor until the end is debatable, but he is not a token candidate.

He would also have to overcome the 'he's not the MSM's black guy, like Barry is' disadvantage. He knows he's going to get characterized as a 1%'er or an Uncle Tom by his enemies. Barry had to face neither of those tags.
 
In the case of the MSNBC panel, they were referring to black people. As in, Obama was the black people's black man, while Ben Carson at first glance is as well, until they realize he's Republican, then he's not. It was in no way about the Republicans rejecting him.

So...what you're saying is that the majority of black people have problems with the GOP agenda and don't vote based on color. I get that - it's a good thing, right?
 
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So...what you're saying is that the majority of black people have problems with the GOP agenda and don't vote based on color. I get that - it's a good thing, right?


I absolutely disagree with this assessment. I'm not going to say all but a large majority of blacks vote for blacks. Why do you think they came out in droves for Obama? He was black and had a D behind his name.

Many couldn't tell you what his platform was, they saw him as black and a D. You take a black guy who has an R behind his name and they already don't identify. Colored R's are seen as "different" and "uncle Toms".
 
I absolutely disagree with this assessment. I'm not going to say all but a large majority of blacks vote for blacks. Why do you think they came out in droves for Obama? He was black and had a D behind his name.

Many couldn't tell you what his platform was, they saw him as black and a D. You take a black guy who has an R behind his name and they already don't identify. Colored R's are seen as "different" and "uncle Toms".

Obama being black had a lot less to do with it than you think:

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Another day, another poll showing Donald Trump chewing up the field for the 2016 Republican nomination for president. The latest Quinnipiac poll puts the Big Apple billionaire at 28 percent support among the GOP nationally. The latest Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register poll shows the reality television/real estate mogul has the support of 23 percent of “likely Republican caucus participants” in Iowa. Considering that’s the first contest of the presidential race, that’s “yooge,” as Trump would say.

Trump vaulted to the top spot by insulting immigrants, women, war heroes, journalists and anyone who crossed him — and doing so with unbridled glee. The conventional wisdom is that his dramatic, made-for-television antics are the flame attracting the GOP base. That’s why I’m confounded by the guy consistently coming in second and climbing in the polls. That guy is Ben Carson.

Besides not being a politician like Trump and having a willingness to speak his mind (no matter how out of it he is), Carson is the antithesis of Trump. The neurosurgeon mumbles. The builder bellows. The demeanor of the man known as “Gifted Hands” is painfully humble compared with the swagger of the Manhattan real estate mogul. Trump is loud, obnoxious and tells you how great he is whether you want to hear it or not. Whether you truly care or not. He’s so high-octane that anyone else is “low-energy.” But Carson is the very definition of low-energy. You could practicality hear crickets chirping every time he spoke at the first Republican debate.

[Ready for Ben Carson? Not for president]

For a party in thrall to a natural showman with little known allegiance to Republican ideology, what explains the rise of an otherwise boring doctor who made a name for himself telling off President Obama at the prayer breakfast in 2013?

“Trump satisfies the id. Carson satisfies the superego,” said Rick Wilson, a Republican ad maker and strategist told me in an e-mail. “Trump feeds the nationalist, isolationist, sometimes revanchist sentiment of a lost working and lower middle class overcome by change and economic dislocation. He’s the avatar of their anger, even if he asks them to look past all their conservative values to support him.”

As for Carson, Wilson said, “Carson is the aspirational story that fills people’s hearts and makes them look at a miracle that could only happen here. Evidently brilliant mindfully, but firmly conservative, in for the country not just for his ego.” Wilson, who is not working with any of the presidential candidates and says he’s “neutral,” later wrote, “’l’ll take door number 2!”

Carson is also this cycle’s Republican answer to Obama. A role that was Herman Cain’s in the 2012 race. The sad subtext of the support is “See, we have our own brilliant black man!” If Carson were former secretary of state Colin Powell, Republicans would be on solid ground. By definition, being a neurosurgeon makes you smart. But it doesn’t automatically make one politically smart or naturally capable of leading and governing.

[‘Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight and when they come out they’re gay’]

Republican strategist Juleanna Glover is supporting Jeb Bush, but her assessment of the state of the race and the place of the two presidential front-runners in it are spot-on. “Trump and Carson continue to perform well, because they are not constrained by the earthly bounds of practical and responsible governance,” Glover told me in an e-mail. “They can speak in slogans and give homilies that have superficial appeal, but have limited application in the real world of running the country.”

Trump’s immigration policy is a prime example. Rounding up and deporting an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants would be immoral. Booting their American-born children, too, would be immoral and unconstitutional. In addition, what Trump proposes would require an explosion in the size and power of government that would be anathema to conservatives. Carson’s support for a balanced budget amendment to get a handle on the nation’s debt is ill advised. A 2011 editorial in The Post argued that such an amendment “would deprive policymakers of the flexibility they need to address national security and economic emergencies. It would revise the Constitution in a way that would give dangerous power to a congressional minority.”

“Most of the serious candidates are planning to foment voter interest and peak [in] the weeks before Iowa and New Hampshire,” Glover told me. The candidates who aren’t Trump and Carson better hope she’s right and that they can break through. Right now, with id and superego riding high, it’s not looking good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-the-rise-of-ben-carson-in-the-age-of-trump/
 
You're telling me more blacks didn't vote in '08 and '12? I find that very very hard to believe.
Don't want to admit that the GOP is SOL when it comes to black people, do you? Obama probably got a boost because he is black, but even if the Dems ran Hillary instead, she would have probably did almost as well.
 
So...what you're saying is that the majority of black people have problems with the GOP agenda and don't vote based on color. I get that - it's a good thing, right?
That would be a good thing, though I'm afraid the truth is between what your assessment is and what Swag suggests below. I'm guessing a deep dive into how informed voters actually are would be scary.
 
Colored R's are seen as "different" and "uncle Toms".

Why? Could it be because they don't like the policies of the GOP? You can't say in one breath they vote in lockstep for blacks and say in the other breath that they vote in lockstep for Dems.

You have a black Republican who benefitted from policies he now actively opposes. He says himself that the public school he attended was more rigorous than the private school he transferred from. His family likely got housing assistance, though he will neither confirm nor deny it. His family did receive food stamps. He did receive glasses through a public assistance program. He likely got into Yale because they were actively seeking qualified blacks - and he was undoubtedly qualified. He said himself that schools were flocking to him because of his color. Now he talks about ending the "culture of dependency"...but he has yet to explain why HE didn't become dependent.
 
That would be a good thing, though I'm afraid the truth is between what your assessment is and what Swag suggests below. I'm guessing a deep dive into how informed voters actually are would be scary.

Yep, all you have to do is look at the Republican front runners to get a scary idea of how uniformed voters are.
 
That would be a good thing, though I'm afraid the truth is between what your assessment is and what Swag suggests below. I'm guessing a deep dive into how informed voters actually are would be scary.

No doubt. There are people who will vote for either party without regard to the candidate. There are people who will NEVER vote for a person of color just as there are people who would ALWAYS choose the person of color. That kind of behavior isn't limited by party or ideology.
 
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Don't want to admit that the GOP is SOL when it comes to black people, do you? Obama probably got a boost because he is black, but even if the Dems ran Hillary instead, she would have probably did almost as well.


I'm saying I probably know more blacks than you do and hear why they vote how they do. I have a very large family who lives all over the country.

They range from pharmacists (legal) to Attorneys to Social Workers to Gas Station Workers to the chronically unemployed.

It was never so much about his views, it was more about supporting "one of our own". You'd be surprised how even some of the educated ones still try to justify Michael Brown as a victim. Maybe, you can be intelligent in one field and struggle in other areas?
 
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