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Ben Shapiro writes an editorial for Politico and everyone freaks out

Plenty of reasons to take issue with Shapiro, and sure it's funny to poke fun at conservatives when they trot him out to OWN or DESTROY the opposition on their behalf.

That said, I would prefer someone like Shapiro being popular among conservatives and seen as a leader as opposed to what we've seen lately. At least he isn't full on Trump/MAGA or full on QAnon or Proud Boys/Boogaloos/etc.

It could be a lot worse.

Right. We need less poli-entertainment fusion material for public consumption. Shapiro is too much "dunking on the liberals." Now, part of that is, I'm guessing, because his product is going to younger conservatives that exist in the twitter/snapchat/instagram 2-second attention span mediashpere that rewards dunking on liberals moreso than large considerate arguments.

But clearly this guy is a lot better than the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world.
 
I think it's beneficial to have Shapiro's opinions out in the open for all to see. The more you analyze his points, the more obvious it is that he carries a ton of political and social bias in that miniature body and brain of his. He does often characterize the groups he aligns himself with as victims of the big, mean, liberal, commie, socialist, LGBTQ mafia. And the next time he sincerely criticizes anything coming from the conservative side of things, will probably be the first time.

He's a smart guy, but not a genius and at least he isn't a complete kook like many mouthpieces of the right leaning media mafia.
Wonder if you have ever composed a paragraph like this in regards to your heroes?
 
Shapiro is a wannabe Rush Limbaugh and a pseudo-intellectual. Attached is a great video that exposes Shapiro for what he is, a huckster who chooses facts to bolster a biased argument. He may be technically correct but rarely dives into the foundation of an argument to determine if it's really valid. The video is very long but I believe it's queued to a spot that has a good highlight. The whole thing is worth watching.


He's not a pseudo-intellectual.
They didn't take issue with what he said as much that he dared be asked to write it. They are rotating writers for Playbook and he was assigned the date weeks ago. 82 Politico "journalists" complained that they had to share oxygen with him. LOL

And ciggy, I'll spare you the trouble of responding "Good". There. You did it.





Politico Staff Objects After Right-Wing Star Ben Shapiro Writes Newsletter
The Washington outlet made Mr. Shapiro, podcaster and author, a guest writer of the popular Playbook. Reporters complained in an afternoon Zoom call.



Many members of Politico’s staff said they were not pleased to see Ben Shapiro’s byline on Thursday’s Playbook newsletter.Credit...Mark Ralston/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
By Katie Robertson
  • Jan. 14, 2021
Politico faced a backlash from its staff on Thursday after it handed its Playbook newsletter, a popular morning read in Washington, to the right-wing commentator Ben Shapiro for a day.

A month after the exit of Playbook’s two longtime writers, Politico has brought in a series of guests to handle the daily missive. In recent days, they have included Chris Hayes of NBC News; Eliana Johnson, the editor in chief of The Washington Free Beacon; and James Bennet, the former New York Times opinion editor.
Politico’s decision to give Mr. Shapiro a turn drew criticism from Politico journalists. More than 200 members of the staff joined a Zoom call with the editor in chief, Matthew Kaminski, on Thursday afternoon to discuss the move. Many argued that Politico should not have given the platform to Mr. Shapiro, the host of the podcast and radio program “The Ben Shapiro Show,” according to two reporters on the call, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal conversations.

In his edition of the newsletter, Mr. Shapiro wrote that Republican leaders were justified in opposing the second impeachment of President Trump because of “a deep and abiding conservative belief that members of the opposing political tribe want their destruction, not simply to punish Trump for his behavior.”

Mr. Shapiro is a former editor at large at Breitbart News and the author of “Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America’s Youth” and “How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps.” He has said transgender people suffer from a “mental disorder.” In 2016, Mr. Shapiro wrote on Twitter that Trayvon Martin, a Black teenager whose killing in 2012 by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida made national news, “would have turned 21 today if he hadn’t taken a man’s head and beaten it on the pavement before being shot.” (The circumstances of Mr. Martin’s death were in dispute. There were no witnesses to the shooting.)

During the call on Thursday, some Politico staff members described Mr. Shapiro as a bigot who should not have been allowed to write the newsletter, the two reporters said. Mr. Kaminski, the editor, stood behind the decision and did not apologize for it, the two reporters said.
A Politico spokesman said in a statement that the publication had tried to “assemble a roster of guest authors who are prominent thinkers and writers and represent a range of perspectives.”
“What sets Politico apart in this intense political and media moment is that we rise above partisanship and ideological warfare — even as many seek to drag us into it,” the statement continued.

Mr. Shapiro said Thursday that he was grateful to Politico for the opportunity and unsurprised by the reaction. “I openly warned editors at Politico that they were likely to face this kind of blowback for hosting me, and to their credit, they hosted me anyway,” he said in an email interview.

Mr. Shapiro said the criticism from Politico’s staff had proved a point he has been making for years. “This phenomenon — the ostracization of conservatives more broadly as the end-goal of many on the Left — was the exact point of my piece in Playbook,” he wrote in the email.
The writers of Playbook for four years, Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer, left in December to start Punchbowl News, a Politico competitor, with another former Politico reporter, John Bresnahan.

This is likely partisan BS. I'm sure they don't a problem with liberal hacks contributing.
 
These things are not independent of one another. They're interrelated. Shapiro is not some innocent do-nothing. His rhetoric fuels hate, and there is always going to be a reaction to hate. He promotes an anti-ism, then acts surprised there is a reaction. And yet you want to broadly label massive amounts of people as "insane"? I mean, shit, within this clip itself he decides transgenderism is a form of insanity?

FAUlty, you know, you ask me to view and address content, while regularly avoiding or ignoring direct, simple questions asked of you. Here I am patiently watching something because you asked me to, so that I can engage with you. Will you ever reciprocate?

Shapiro is garbage. Sorry. He's a significant factor in fomenting hate and division. One of his regular tactics is to constantly portray himself as the victim of Leftist hate, always ignoring, conveniently, how his rhetoric fuels anti-Leftist hate.

I mean, ƒuck, man, that Politico piece is unbelievably full of falsehoods—major falsehoods. When people lie, there is going to be a reaction.

ell, oh, ell.

Fomenting division? Well yeah, but my god, do both sides contribute to a bunch anymore. That's an endemic problem in America poli-culture. (yeah, sure, he has a bigger megaphone than most)

But hate? Please. That he made the transgenderism is a form of mental illness because of DSM? Please. (all while clearly spelling out his lack of antipathy towards the group)

I don't even agree with him on that point, btw; but here's the bigger point:

The college students reaction was clearly illiberal and ridiculous. Seeing large protests, threats of violence and denial of his ability to speak on campus in a setting that is purportedly all about exploration of ideas, rationality and debate is ****ing sad and hilarious.

You're supposed to take somebody like Shaprio to task in ****ing debate like thinking people.

****, even David Duke should get the same treatment.

You're in an arena of thought, act like it.

It's pathetic to see college students behaving like this; something is being lost.

Stop letting Tucker Carlson dunk on you.
 
ell, oh, ell.

Fomenting division? Well yeah, but my god, do both sides contribute to a bunch anymore. That's an endemic problem in America poli-culture. (yeah, sure, he has a bigger megaphone than most)

But hate? Please. That he made the transgenderism is a form of mental illness because of DSM? Please. (all while clearly spelling out his lack of antipathy towards the group)

I don't even agree with him on that point, btw; but here's the bigger point:

The college students reaction was clearly illiberal and ridiculous. Seeing large protests, threats of violence and denial of his ability to speak on campus in a setting that is purportedly all about exploration of ideas, rationality and debate is ****ing sad and hilarious.

You're supposed to take somebody like Shaprio to task in ****ing debate like thinking people.

****, even David Duke should get the same treatment.

You're in an arena of thought, act like it.

It's pathetic to see college students behaving like this; something is being lost.

Stop letting Tucker Carlson dunk on you.

Really, the point to drive home here is that you're supposed to more like... me.

If invited to a campus, I would want to debate David Duke. (yes, that's an extreme example) Or anybody else; to bring them down with my ideas, my thoughts. My rhetoric. That's my method of engagement here. That's what I should want to do.

Not run around outside shouting in protest because look-bad-guy!

The speaker isn't running for public office; the speaker likely next to no ability to actually sway opinion in this setting.

They're no threat.

****ing college college administrators are supposed to bring in people you with ideas you don't like. And you're supposed to engage them. It's intellectual exercise. That's the ****ing point.

That's being lost.
 
You don’t agree with this? He sounds horrible!

Fine, you took my statement literally when I was referring to the majority his political views. I do like to listen to him as he is intelligent, cogent, and well rehearsed speaker. Like any intellectual, I enjoy listening to his counter arguments to better understand the opposition and further hone my thoughts on my own positions.

However, quite literally if Ben Shapiro said, "The sky is blue and grass is green," well I guess I'd have to agree with him.
 
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Fine, you took my statement literally when I was referring to the majority his political views. I do like to listen to him as he is intelligent, cogent, and well rehearsed speaker. Like any intellectual, I enjoy listening to his counter arguments to better understand the opposition and further hone my thoughts on my own positions.

However, quite literally if Ben Shapiro said, "The sky is blue and grass is green," well I guess I'd have to agree with him.
This is more a case of even the most deplorable can do nice things from time to time.
 
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Lol.

"Women and girls who are trans are biological women and girls."
"So? Ask me questions!"

OK. Did you live under power lines as a kid, or something?
Once again, there is more to gender identity than the basic biology. You know, there are lots of different fields of science, right? And subfields and branches and so on and so forth?

This is what I mean, this lazy, disingenuous shit. Please don't ever try to act like you have any interest in searching for truth. You only want to find a truth that affirms more or less where you already are, then pump the brakes right there, yep, stop there, that's it and that's all.

So damn cowardly.
 
A typical example of him using selected facts and ignoring others.

Wait...so you don’t think that stupid video he was countering was doing just that? You agree with that dumb video? Talk about something geared towards simple minded folks. Good grief.
 
ell, oh, ell.

Fomenting division? Well yeah, but my god, do both sides contribute to a bunch anymore. That's an endemic problem in America poli-culture. (yeah, sure, he has a bigger megaphone than most)

But hate? Please. That he made the transgenderism is a form of mental illness because of DSM? Please. (all while clearly spelling out his lack of antipathy towards the group)

I don't even agree with him on that point, btw; but here's the bigger point:

The college students reaction was clearly illiberal and ridiculous. Seeing large protests, threats of violence and denial of his ability to speak on campus in a setting that is purportedly all about exploration of ideas, rationality and debate is ****ing sad and hilarious.

You're supposed to take somebody like Shaprio to task in ****ing debate like thinking people.

****, even David Duke should get the same treatment.

You're in an arena of thought, act like it.

It's pathetic to see college students behaving like this; something is being lost.

Stop letting Tucker Carlson dunk on you.
Lol. I don't take issue with his or your point about the college kids. And I already alluded to that ITT. Pay attention. I take issue that he, like so many of those looking for clicks and views in our uber-competitive media market, then implicitly or often explicitly draws out the worst of a group to then attribute that behavior as representative of the entire group. This is what sickens me about popular political media personalities like Shaprio.

And I never for a moment suggested that this is unique to any one side. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've now three times noted this, here ITT.

That said, I also have no problem with protesting a speaker. Just let the speaker speak. Protest the speaker, but not with the aim to deny the speaking (assuming not hate speech).
 
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This is such BS. Geared toward the simple minded like many of his co-horts on the far right. A typical example of him using selected facts and ignoring others. This is why he's a pseudo-intellectual.

I don't agree with all of the points he made; but he does correctly point out quite a few flaws with the video and correctly demonstrates that the argued notion of system racism is a basically a meaningless catch-all.
 
This is such BS. Geared toward the simple minded like many of his co-horts on the far right. A typical example of him using selected facts and ignoring others. This is why he's a pseudo-intellectual.
It's also why desperate-for-affirmation types like @haw-key love the guy, idolizing him to the point of adopting his "debate" strategies. I also love how Shapiro so frequently compliments his own style of delivery, regularly crediting himself with leaving out emotion, you know, just sticking to facts and whatever—except that's not what he's doing at all. It is in part emotion/psychology that drives a person to ignore facts that don't serve the purpose in favor of those that do. There's no objectivity and rationalism in how he forms his arguments. Just because he delivers it in a robotic, monotone fashion doesn't mean there isn't bullshit subjectivity and emotion and psychology driving the arguments.

It's weird how damn obvious his schtick is, yet people just suck that teat, can't get enough. He's empty-calories quick-hit dopamine crap, like fast food salt and sugar.
 
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I don't agree with all of the points he made; but he does correctly point out quite a few flaws with the video and correctly demonstrates that the argued notion of system racism is a basically a meaningless catch-all.
Lol. All based on cherry-picking and misapplying shit. That shit is a joke. It's conman crap.
 
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Really, the point to drive home here is that you're supposed to more like... me.

If invited to a campus, I would want to debate David Duke. (yes, that's an extreme example) Or anybody else; to bring them down with my ideas, my thoughts. My rhetoric. That's my method of engagement here. That's what I should want to do.

Not run around outside shouting in protest because look-bad-guy!

The speaker isn't running for public office; the speaker likely next to no ability to actually sway opinion in this setting.

They're no threat.

****ing college college administrators are supposed to bring in people you with ideas you don't like. And you're supposed to engage them. It's intellectual exercise. That's the ****ing point.

That's being lost.

Lets elucidate another point:

The argument of downstream harm. A very specious form of this argument has taken hold amongst progressives that basically says your speech is a problem if it could conceivably cause harm for X group. (which, it always could)

An example might be when JK Rowling balked at the usage of the phrase "people who menstruate" and argued that meaning of the word "woman" out to be one thing rather than another. She did this while also stating that she'd "march along side" transgendered folk in their quest for equal-rights and stating that she has transgendered friends herself.

Not good enough.

She was roundly denounced as transphobic and criticized for harming the transgendered community. Because, basically, her conception of how the word 'woman' ought to be used was upsetting and or dismissive towards how (apparently all) transgendered people feel about the words usage. And in doing so, she gave ammunition to the critics of transgendered activism which in turn meant meant harming transgendered people.

Nevermind the argument the transgendered bloc was making; nevermind actually thinking about that specific argument. Go against any bit of their rhetoric and you're going against the cause because you could conceivably be harming them.
 
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Lol. All based on cherry-picking and misapplying shit. That shit is a joke. It's conman crap.

You watched it?

I've come to the conclusion that you struggle with the concept of cherry picking. I know it's fun to say.
 
Lol. I don't take issue with his or your point about the college kids. And I already alluded to that ITT. Pay attention. I take issue that he, like so many of those looking for clicks and views in our uber-competitive media market, then implicitly or often explicitly draws out the worst of a group to then attribute that behavior as representative of the entire group. This is what sickens me about popular political media personalities like Shaprio.

And I never for a moment suggested that this is unique to any one side. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've now three times noted this, here ITT.

That said, I also have no problem with protesting a speaker. Just let the speaker speak. Protest the speaker, but not with the aim to deny the speaking (assuming not hate speech).

Great, then we agree!
 
The same posters defending Shapiro’s pseudo-intellectualism would be hyperventilating if I posted counterpoints from more intelligent and better educated liberal syndicated academics like Rachel Maddow. And I’m not sure why so many conservatives think a Harvard law degree means someone knows anything other than law—it is a professional degree not an academic one. That said, it is difficult to hate Shapiro, he did save us from Sauron.
 
The same posters defending Shapiro’s pseudo-intellectualism would be hyperventilating if I posted counterpoints from more intelligent and better educated liberal syndicated academics like Rachel Maddow. And I’m not sure why so many conservatives think a Harvard law degree means someone knows anything other than law—it is a professional degree not an academic one. That said, it is difficult to hate Shapiro, he did save us from Sauron.

You really don't think he could hold his own against Maddow? Seriously?
 
You watched it?

I've come to the conclusion that you struggle with the concept of cherry picking. I know it's fun to say.

The problem is that you seem to cherry-pick when to trot out the cherry-picking argument. Depending on the granularity of the argument, you could find fault for cherry picking in argument just about in any situation where evidence based argumentation exists. Save for well researched thesis' on X topic. (and even then)

It's hard to believe that you wouldn't be rendering yourself a massive hypocrite.
 
Wait...so you don’t think that stupid video he was countering was doing just that? You agree with that dumb video? Talk about something geared towards simple minded folks. Good grief.
Just look at his explanation about redlining. "It was bad, but it's over and everything is pretty much equal now" is what he says, in essence. That's a bunch of garbage and geared toward simple minded white people who want to hear that message.
 
Once again, there is more to gender identity than the basic biology. You know, there are lots of different fields of science, right? And subfields and branches and so on and so forth?

This is what I mean, this lazy, disingenuous shit. Please don't ever try to act like you have any interest in searching for truth. You only want to find a truth that affirms more or less where you already are, then pump the brakes right there, yep, stop there, that's it and that's all.

So damn cowardly.
And you're an enabler and misogynist and science denier. Trans women ain't women, sweetheart. We've got an ACLU lawyer saying trans women are biologically women and you're over here playing dumb. Well, playing is being generous. Gender is a construct and sex is observable science. Once again, this shit does nothing to tear down gender stereotypes; it reinforces them. Stick to brand identity. Or maybe that is what you're doing here.
 
I don't agree with all of the points he made; but he does correctly point out quite a few flaws with the video and correctly demonstrates that the argued notion of system racism is a basically a meaningless catch-all.
It's not. That's what white people want to think and he fast talks his base with what they want to hear.
 
Just look at his explanation about redlining. "It was bad, but it's over and everything is pretty much equal now" is what he says, in essence. That's a bunch of garbage and geared toward simple minded white people who want to hear that message.

Oh...so you’re lying. You put quotes around something he never said. Well done. Especially from the “Link it or STFU” guy.
 
Really, the point to drive home here is that you're supposed to more like... me.

If invited to a campus, I would want to debate David Duke. (yes, that's an extreme example) Or anybody else; to bring them down with my ideas, my thoughts. My rhetoric. That's my method of engagement here. That's what I should want to do.

Not run around outside shouting in protest because look-bad-guy!

The speaker isn't running for public office; the speaker likely next to no ability to actually sway opinion in this setting.

They're no threat.

****ing college college administrators are supposed to bring in people you with ideas you don't like. And you're supposed to engage them. It's intellectual exercise. That's the ****ing point.

That's being lost.

My dad watched one of his friends debate David Duke on a college campus, an eventual Jewish lawyer. They were all college students at the time. The future lawyer intellectually pants the dude. It was embarrassing to Duke. By invoking the heckler’s veto, no one engages with the arguments. It’s a strategy devoid of critical reasoning.
 
Oh...so you’re lying. You put quotes around something he never said. Well done. Especially from the “Link it or STFU” guy.
GFY - I put quotes around it and qualified it as what he said "essentially". I did that to be sure what I was paraphrasing was attributed to him.

You're terrible at debate and try to resort to technicality "gotchas". Even then you're wrong.
 
He would be a bigger puddle of protoplasm than he was in the BBC interview.

No. It's a capability problem. That's my point.

He wouldn't have any problems if he doesn't over extend his himself or attach himself to inarguable points.

With the BBC thing... he's used to cheap and easy arguments; slam dunking. You can get lazy that way. If he's smart enough to avoid that pitfall, his actual intellectual capabilities are more than OK.

I could post a video where he gives it to a CNN anchor...
 
No. It's a capability problem. That's my point.

He wouldn't have any problems if he doesn't over extend his himself or attach himself to inarguable points.

With the BBC thing... he's used to cheap and easy arguments; slam dunking. You can get lazy that way. If he's smart enough to avoid that pitfall, his actual intellectual capabilities are more than OK.

I could post a video where he gives it to a CNN anchor...
But that's his MO. He has nothing beyond that and it's why he has to have control of the dialogue.
 
It's not. That's what white people want to think and he fast talks his base with what they want to hear.

What white people want to think? What?

As it's argued in that video we get:

- It's historic racism
- It's bias
- It's racism
- It's whatever else

That's why I say it's a catch-all. So with their arguments I'm left to think of it as this nebulous 'system-of-everything' sort of concept.

Of course we could define a coherent, pointed understanding of the phrase. Functionally though... I'm not exactly sure what the hell people are talking about most of the time when they say it.

Go to the wikipedia page and be prepared to be... underwhelmed where clarity is concerned.
(and I'm pretty sure plenty of people don't agree that institutional racism is interchangeable )

 
What white people want to think? What?

As it's argued in that video we get:

- It's historic racism
- It's bias
- It's racism
- It's whatever else

That's why I say it's a catch-all. So with their arguments I'm left to think of it as this nebulous 'system-of-everything' sort of concept.

Of course we could define a coherent, pointed understanding of the phrase. Functionally though... I'm not exactly sure what the hell people are talking about most of the time when they say it.

Go to the wikipedia page and be prepared to be... underwhelmed where clarity is concerned.

FFS - you, like those who Shapiro targets, want a simple definition for a very, very complex topic that has many tentacles. When you don't get it (because it's not possible) you turn your back on it due to a lack of clarity or some other excuse for not delving into the issues. The same holds true for things like universal healthcare - it's not simple so it gets dismissed by many.
 
FFS - you, like those who Shapiro targets, want a simple definition for a very, very complex topic that has many tentacles. When you don't get it (because it's not possible) you turn your back on it due to a lack of clarity or some other excuse for not delving into the issues. The same holds true for things like universal healthcare - it's not simple so it gets dismissed by many.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So you're saying its the catch-all?

Anything that works against black folk?
 
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So you're saying its the catch-all?

Anything that works against black folk?
Sigh. Yes, for you and too many others, it's a "catch all" and that makes it non-existent.
 
Sigh. Yes, for you and too many others, it's a "catch all" and that makes it non-existent.

You're squirming.

I was obviously leaving the door wide open for you to provide a definition.

You can make anything definitionally true.

We could say that system-racism is taking a walk in the park. Via that definition it's true if you see somebody taking a walk in a park.

Of course the appropriateness of those words as descriptors could be called into question.

I'm not even getting a coherent definition that *could* criticize.

We're not even that far along.
 
I want to make another point here: who are the great progressive thinkers offering up their ideas for debate?

They seem to exist in rather insular thought communities and stay there.
 
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You're squirming.

I was obviously leaving the door wide open for you to provide a definition.

You can make anything definitionally true.

We could say that system-racism is taking a walk in the park. Via that definition it's true if you see somebody taking a walk in a park.

Of course the appropriateness of those words as descriptors could be called into question.

I'm not even getting a coherent definition that *could* criticize.

We're not even that far along.
I'm not squirming. I simply am not willing to debate when you have the need for simple definitions of a highly complex topic.
 
I'm not squirming. I simply am not willing to debate when you have the need for simple definitions of a highly complex topic.

lul

You're finding that providing a definition isn't too easy. Welcome to the club.

I mean, I had originally believe it to be something along the lines rules/regulation/law at the level of institutions, not at the level of the individual. But apparently that's not it.

I could understand a concise summary definition on string theory. I would think most college educated people could. This isn't rocket science. You should be able to generate a relatively accurate concise summary definition of a concept you believe in.

This is one the problems I have with the phrase... it's functionally messy the way our society uses it.
 

policies and practices that exist throughout a whole society or organization, and that result in and support a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on
race


Parsing this one...

Policies = institutional
Practices = ehhhh? Everything else? Any behavior disadvantageous to blacks that occurs at X level at a societal or organization level? So that's anywhere basically... at what threshold does something become a "practice"? How much of it must we have? That seems like the big question here. A practice could be any behavior, pretty much.

So we're pretty damned close to the catchall I mentioned.

If it's bad for black people ... it's part of systemic racism.
 
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