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Also Rathjen. With that said & no offense as a they are all young and undersized. IMHO, if we don't get a transfer at 157 we won't be in the hunt for a title. We'll be settling for a trophy.
I know people are saying Iowa will get someone there, but I'm curious how someone says that? Other than just truly hedging on Iowa being able to put their minds and resourcing on it & trusting it will happen. The portal is empty right now & no one knows who could potentially enter along with future regulations coming up on the transfer portal. It seems we've already checked out all other possibilities. 😉
I know people are saying Iowa will get someone there, but I'm curious how someone says that? Other than just truly hedging on Iowa being able to put their minds and resourcing on it & trusting it will happen. The portal is empty right now & no one knows who could potentially enter along with future regulations coming up on the transfer portal. It seems we've already checked out all other possibilities. 😉
I’m pretty sure they’re leaving that spot vacant next season. We really liked our last guy.
In reality especially with RBY coming back we are not in the hunt for a title. It's a contest for 2nd place next year and we are not necessarily the favorites there either. 157 was left unaddressed behind Kaleb Young for quite a while and now it has come home to roost. One of the backup 149 pound guys will probably end up filling it.
Brody Gothus has been on full feed for a couple of years. He’s ready for a turquoise shirt year.
Yep. ASU is going to be very tough as well. Although, they have 1 weight(165) as a big ?, just like Iowa. With RBY back, I just don't see anyone challenging PSU, but the battle with ASU could be pretty fun.
ASU-------------------------------Iowa
Courtney------------------------Lee
McGhee-------------------------Schriever
Vasquez-------------------------Woods
Parco-----------------------------Murin
Teemer---------------------------Reyna?
Norfleet?------------------------Kennedy
Valencia--------------------------Brands
Montalvo----------------------------Assad
Norfleet--------------------------Warner
Schultz----------------------------Cass
Would make for one hell of a dual on top of a NCAA Tournament battle. A lot of it hinges on Cass coming back fully healthy. Iowa has solid Finalist potential in Lee, Woods, Warner and Cass. However, after those 4, I have no idea what to expect. Not ONE of the other 6 have AA'd. While ASU has Courtney, McGhee, Parco, Teemer and Schultz as very strong top 5 types.
To get a team trophy, both teams will need to rely heavily on guys that have yet to prove if they can make the podium or not...
At this time last year, most thought Iowa was a sure thing.
Even so, that hinged on Lee's health and PSU was still returning 4 NCAA Champs. I am not so sure that many thought Iowa was a sure thing. Maybe the favorite, but I wouldn't think many favored them by much.
Now, in comparison to PSU this year, they didn't have 4 returning(3 of which have won it back to back) NCAA Champs that are a combined 131-4. Don't forget that Kerkvliet is the 2nd highest returning placer and pretty much owned Parris last season.
The above doesn't even account for Howard, Bartlett, Van Ness, Haines and Facundo. It also doesn't account for the fact that there isn't a team REMOTELY as proven as PSU was going into last season. This season, PSU is about as big of a favorite going in as any I can remember. But, I would say that Iowa was nearly as big of a lock in 2020 before Covid shut it down, but that was looking at them after B1G's that year, vs before the season started...
Hypothetical dual with these lineups (thought Norfleet was out of eligibility but I’ll use him)
Spencer by tech or fall
McGee by maj
Woods by dec
Murin by dec
Teemer by dec or fall (Teemer wins by boring dec frequently against far inferior opponents)
Kennedy by tech or fall
Brands by dec
Tossup
Warner by dec
Schultz by dec
so all in Iowa favor it’s 27-10 Iowa
All in asu favor it’s 22-16
Cassioppi could potentially win as well but how big Schultz looked I gave him the edge
ASU could bump 125-157 and insert Figueroa at 125. Some are probably too small though. Particularly Courtney and McGee.
I don't disagree that they are the clear cut favorite, but wrestling is a brutal sport and injuries happen. Especially with all of the tournaments in the "off season." It doesn't take much to swing the balance of power and Iowa is due to have some favorable luck in the injury department.
If we don't land a solid transfer at 157, I won' t be shocked but I will be disappointed.
What Valencia is that? It can't be Anthony is it? He's gotta be 30.
I like Murin a LOT, but he is 0 for 3 AAing, while Parco is 2 for 2. I just don't see how you favor Murin in that matchup.
If I had to pick it right now, I would go:
125 Iowa by MD Iowa 4-0
133 ASU by MD Tied 4-4
141 Iowa by DEC Iowa 7-4
149 ASU by DEC Tied 7-7
157 ASU by FALL ASU 13-7
165 Iowa by FALL Tied 13-13
174 Iowa by DEC Iowa 16-13
184 ASU by DEC Tied 16-16
197 Iowa by DEC Iowa 19-16
285 ASU by DEC Tied 19-19
To me, it is THAT close. Lee could possibly score more than a major against Courtney, but he is stingy enough and has a good enough gas tank to keep it in a 12-2 type scoring range.
McGhee could possibly deck Schriever and has a tank as well. He has an aggressive style.
Woods should win comfortably, but Vasquez is game, if he is fully on the mend. I would say something like 8-3.
Parco is tough match up for Murin. Every bit as physical, rides tough and has length. I would think he wins a tough 4-2 type match.
Teemer can be really boring, but he is another big move type guy. This is a big mismatch and whoever Iowa puts on the mat could win it for them if he can stay off his back.
Kennedy-see the writeup directly above.
Does Brands come back fully healthy and ready to go at 174? Valencia has some serious pedigree. I will favor Brands for now, but Valencia may prove to be something special.
Since I gave 174 to Brands, I gave 184 to Montalvo. Both results could flip.
I am too big of a fan of Warner to pick Norfleet, but he is a bad dual matchup for Warner. Much like Bastida, he can play the long game in neutral, not choose bottom and maybe beat him on his feet. Hopefully, Warner builds from this past NCAA's and finds ways to distance himself from that 3rd tier at his weight that always seems to take a match or 2 from him each season.
FInally, Schultz over Cass. I think a 100% Cass is a better wrestler than Schultz, but will he be 100% and big enough to handle Schultz size, strength and inevitable confidence he gained from last season? For now I pick Schultz, but I hope Cass gets him when it counts!
Anyone who thought Iowa was a sure thing with Spencer's uncertainty and PSU bringing in Dean and having a healthy Kerk were not being realistic.
That's why it's best to plan the lineup with good recruiting vs hoping a good wrestler hits the portal at a need weight and actually wants to come to your school.
The definition of “good recruiting,” might have to be revised.
Btw, why has it been so difficult to get top talent to IC?
Honest question: I do not recall any D1 dual the past 10 (?) years where a coach has bumped a lineup 4-5 weights in this fashion. See it often in HS with the big degrees of separation in talent and 14 weight classes, but can anyone recall in the past decade where a coach bumped more than a weigh or two?
I don't think he meant bump for a specific dual. That just doesn't happen in DI, for good reasons. I think he is saying those guys all bulk up and wrestle the weight up for the season. Figueroa was a top shelf recruit. If he could AA high at 125, that could make them deep all the way around if Courtney, McGhee, Vasquez, Parco and Teemer could all still AA a weight above. That would essentially take care of their hole at 165 and give them a lineup full of AA potential.
With that said, I am not sure that any of them are big enough to go up a weight and be just as good. But, it makes for interesting off season talk...
What about Schrievers results indicate McGee Majors him?
0 bonus point losses last year (L's include, Byrd (5th) by 5, Cannon (7th) by 2, former AA Rayvon Foley, Breydon Palmer in SV and Desanto by 4 (3rd)) All NQ's
McGee on the other hand lost to Job Greenwood and bonused at a rate of 43%
Of note, Cannon and Byrd both pinned McGee in '21
0 bonus point losses last year (L's include, Byrd (5th) by 5, Cannon (7th) by 2, former AA Rayvon Foley, Breydon Palmer in SV and Desanto by 4 (3rd)) All NQ's
McGee on the other hand lost to Job Greenwood and bonused at a rate of 43%
Of note, Cannon and Byrd both pinned McGee in '21
I’m hoping maybe there us someone who they’re still waiting to see if they graduate and/or get accepted into an Iowa grad program.
But maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
It’s different when the results are attached to the team. Plus, I just like the way McGee wrestles. Schriever may very well prove he can wrestle with him, but I am picking a 2X AA to win by bonus over a newbie until that newbie shows me something different.
Why? It’s not a knock on his kid in the least. However in this day and age it takes more than one or two studs to anchor a championship team.I hope @ao_coachphil has you on ignore...
I was being tongue-in-cheek. I know it wasn't a knock on any of the current roster or recruits. Thus the
I always took that at the “dumb ass,” wink. (To not from. Lol)I was being tongue-in-cheek. I know it wasn't a knock on any of the current roster or recruits. Thus the
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Now I know the proper use of the
AND the proper spelling of moran. Cesspool life lessons!
El dub says we've passed on multiple studs over the past 7 years to placate the coach's SIL.
Leaving that dead horse behind, every team has holes, however for every hole in your scoring lineup you need a top 3 finish.
We have potential top 3 in
Lee
Woods
Warner
Cass
Potential AAs in
Murin
PK
R12 in
Screiver
Brands
Abe
So yes, if we want to contend for a ship we need a top 3 57 transfer. Go get em El dub!
IF, we could land an AA type at 157. It is game on for a run at the title. Sure the F*** guy will be the favorite. That being said, You have Lee, Woods, Warner, Cass that all should/could win. It would then come down to several factors such as, Whose new guys step in and get the job done? Who gets hot and stays injury free? Who performs at B!Gs and gets good seeds.
We appear to have some solid guys ready to take over at 33, 65, 74. Murin and Assad would have to also get the job done. A lot would have to go our way, but add a stud at 57 and..........
Lol el dub says 157 has been a weak link as far as title runs go for quite awhile now. But he’s not a recruiter and doesn’t have a clue who was available in the last six years or so.
@smalls103, on the other hand, could prolly spit an answer or two without digging deeper than his remembery….
Why am I confident Karl would have tried to generate some points at that weight by bringing on new blood if in same spot?
I'm just busting your balls dub. One Orab to another!
Slingblade did bring back Coach Burge so that was a half-win in the portal at 57. Aside from their studs they have had some real holes as well lately.
Duals are fun but won’t correlate to March results. For example Iowa could end up winning the dual against PSU this year as well.
125 Tf whoever PSU puts out there 5-0 Iowa
133 RBY major 5-4 Iowa
141 Woods dec 8-4 Iowa
149 Murin dec 11-4 Iowa
157 No idea who will go at each weight but I’ll give it to PSU 11-7 Iowa
165 Give me Kennedy 14-7 Iowa
174 Star Major 14-11 Iowa
184 Brooks dec 14-14 Tie
197 swing weight that could win Iowa the dual but gotta give it to PSU 14-17 PSU
285 Cass has Kerks number 17-17
17-17 I believe PSU wins on criteria.
Iowa could end up winning this dual without any upsets. But, in March without a top end 157 transfer, it won’t be close. Same could be said when you compare Iowa and ASU. Also, I was gonna give Brooks the major but looked back and saw Abe has held him to a dec both times they’ve wrestled.
SL will get the pin and save the criteria talk for another day.
PS: It’s not a hole at 157. It’s an opportunity for a Hawk to put on that singlet and take their game to the next level.
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