Beyer is our Bartman

[grayhair81]

I am not going to attempt to defend his screwup. It was unthinkable and cost the team 7 points. It was definitely ONE factor in losing the game. However, it happened early enough in the game that the Hawks had opportunities to overcome it and take control of the game. Here are just a few other factors that contributed to the loss:
The inability to convert a 4th and one on the first drive. Stanley is not as good in this situation as I would hope considering his size.
A horrific 3rd down call in the first half. There was no one to account for a future NFL LB. Apparently the RB was just supposed to be able to make him miss while running laterally. Not to mention calling a lateral run on 3rd and 6.
The punt returner losing the ball after running into the back of a guy who was being blocked.
The defensive line getting abused. They could gain 6-8 yards on practically every running play. I was amazed they even tried to pass. Watch the replay and see how many times the d linemen were 3-4 yards downfield.
It looked like the back 7 forgot how to tackle this week.
Stanley's inability to make a play when the game was on the line. His miss on the first down throw was every bit as egregious as Beyer's gaff. He missed 7 of his last nine throws and the INT that sealed the game was high and way too hard for the situation. Beyer was rightly criiticized for lack of situational awareness-Stanley was guilty of the same on the INT.
So yes, Beyer's play was definitely a boneheaded move but it is actually just one of many things that happened in losing a game they should have won.

 

[Hawk_82]

As hawk fan I hope everyone is above blaming him for this loss. I am sure the guy is mad enough at himself. Take it easy on him

 

[ANYCHawk]

As hawk fan I hope everyone is above blaming him for this loss. I am sure the guy is mad enough at himself. Take it easy on him

 

[mstp1992]

Beyer’s a good kid. He made a mistake. It’s not the first time a mistake like this has happened, nor will it be the last. I’ve seen professionals do the same thing.

Failing to convert a fourth and one near the goal line.

Failing to convert a third and one near the goal line.

Fumbled punt return near midfield.

Stanley missing a wide open receiver.

Ole’ bend but don’t break defense on the final drive.

Plenty of blame to go around.

 

[JStandefer]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

 

[Mitch122]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

His job is not kicking the football. Inexcusable mistake

 

[biggreydogs]

Beyer’s a good kid. He made a mistake. It’s not the first time a mistake like this has happened, nor will it be the last. I’ve seen professionals do the same thing.

Failing to convert a fourth and one near the goal line.

Failing to convert a third and one near the goal line.

Fumbled punt return near midfield.

Stanley missing a wide open receiver.

Ole’ bend but don’t break defense on the final drive.

Plenty of blame to go around.

Add you had 2 time outs and you take a knee before half. There are more coaching blunders we can talk about

 

[KujawaFan]

I was a little rough on Beyer last night and agree there is plenty of blame. And let's give Wisconsin a little credit. That OL is sick, Taylor makes DM look like a JV RB, and their D is disciplined and tackles well. However, I don't think I have ever seen KF come so close to calling out a player outside of personal fouls or roughing plays like he did Beyer. A "dumb" play and get the "hell" away from the ball and insinuating everybody but Beyer heard. In other words Beyer wasn't paying attention. KF knows this game was a monster and we had it pretty close to won but for that Beyer play.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Add you had 2 time outs and you take a knee before half. There are more coaching blunders we can talk about

Too much blame to go around... One thing is for certain, we have enough film on mistakes to correct for an entire season!

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Clearly many on this board have never been on a punt return team. The returner has a code word that he has to scream, then everyone else on the team is supposed to also yell it when they hear it to communicate with blockers. Mine was “scat.” It was a team breakdown. Blockers have no clue where the ball is, it has to be communicated to them in a hot situation.

 

[cg8284]

The returner may have not been yelling to communicate since he was running up to attempt to go after the ball in the middle of four Wisconsin players for some unknown reason.

 

[the24fan]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

Disagree . You’re taught early in football to never lose sight of the football. That’s job number 1! Never lose the ball. Period. No excuse IMO

 

[83Hawk]

Another big mistake that is not being mention much, is trying to run wide on second and 2 on the next to last drive. The Hawks were in great field position and had just picked up 8 yards on first down. Instead of running between the tackles or calling a play action and rolling Stanley out with an option to run or a short toss to a back of TE, they run wide which was NOT going to work in that situation, against that defense.

 

[HawkeyeLaker]

Clearly many on this board have never been on a punt return team. The returner has a code word that he has to scream, then everyone else on the team is supposed to also yell it when they hear it to communicate with blockers. Mine was “scat.” It was a team breakdown. Blockers have no clue where the ball is, it has to be communicated to them in a hot situation.

I understand the basic communication that has to be made by the punt returner to his blockers. However, the punter was well within his range to punt it through the end zone. So the punter is trying to punt the ball higher to try and down the ball inside the 10 yard line. In that situation as a punt return blocker, there is very low chance of an actual punt return so the blockers should be anticipating the need to peel of their block and stay clear as they approach the 20 to 15 yard line.

I've seen too many of these mental mistakes watching Hawkeye football to blame it on the players. It's been clear for many years now (Wisconsin fake punt being a defining moment) this staff doesn't properly coach the players through these situations and prepare them properly.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I said the past week, if we make stupid/careless mistakes we are going to lose.
I didn't realize we'd make TWO that were that BIG!

That said, I feel bad for beyer......

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

His job is not kicking the football. Inexcusable mistake

I dont think that play in itself lost the game but if that punt was being returned the returner would have been either tackled or way up field and Badgers wiuldnt have been have been hanging around standing there....but in the heat of the moment...We need to give Beyer a break, he is going to be the next great Iowa TE after Fant and Hock go pro...

 

[HawkLogic]

Beyer is the kind of young man the program is built on. He'll have other chances to make good plays. You can't blame the loss on 1 mistake when the all around play in general was so-so relative to the team's talent/ability.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Who was the other guy who ran up and looked like he was going to pick up the ball, equally stupid. Wasn't Groenwig.

 

[cecilB]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

And, you know that he wasn’t?

 

[Capital1Hawk]

Beyer is the kind of young man the program is built on. He'll have other chances to make good plays. You can't blame the loss on 1 mistake when the all around play in general was so-so relative to the team's talent/ability.

I forgive him. However it was a bonehead play. You learn this simple concept in pee wee football. I just can’t get over year after year why our ST’s costs us so many games. They are horrific every year. Just dumb plays year after year.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Add you had 2 time outs and you take a knee before half. There are more coaching blunders we can talk about

Was this after the fair catch at the 2.5 yards line with under a minute to go? 97.5 yards drives with under a minute are right in Iowa's wheelhouse.......,..

 

[m.stoops2013]

Should have at least taken a shot at the end of the first half, 2 t.o. left & the o was clicking.

 

[bdg8]

Should have at least taken a shot at the end of the first half, 2 t.o. left & the o was clicking.

Didn't they take a shot that nearly got picked off

 

[HawkIDrummer]

Clearly many on this board have never been on a punt return team. The returner has a code word that he has to scream, then everyone else on the team is supposed to also yell it when they hear it to communicate with blockers. Mine was “scat.” It was a team breakdown. Blockers have no clue where the ball is, it has to be communicated to them in a hot situation.

Beyer touched the ball, but it was a "team" mistake. Bear is right

 

[papabeef]

I am not going to attempt to defend his screwup. It was unthinkable and cost the team 7 points. It was definitely ONE factor in losing the game. However, it happened early enough in the game that the Hawks had opportunities to overcome it and take control of the game. Here are just a few other factors that contributed to the loss:
The inability to convert a 4th and one on the first drive. Stanley is not as good in this situation as I would hope considering his size.
A horrific 3rd down call in the first half. There was no one to account for a future NFL LB. Apparently the RB was just supposed to be able to make him miss while running laterally. Not to mention calling a lateral run on 3rd and 6.
The punt returner losing the ball after running into the back of a guy who was being blocked.
The defensive line getting abused. They could gain 6-8 yards on practically every running play. I was amazed they even tried to pass. Watch the replay and see how many times the d linemen were 3-4 yards downfield.
It looked like the back 7 forgot how to tackle this week.
Stanley's inability to make a play when the game was on the line. His miss on the first down throw was every bit as egregious as Beyer's gaff. He missed 7 of his last nine throws and the INT that sealed the game was high and way too hard for the situation. Beyer was rightly criiticized for lack of situational awareness-Stanley was guilty of the same on the INT.
So yes, Beyer's play was definitely a boneheaded move but it is actually just one of many things that happened in losing a game they should have won.

sorry i put the int on the receiver .

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Rule change here over the winter would be nice, not because it cost us, just because it makes sense. Any non skill player not making an attempt to field the ball when inadvertently touching the ball, the play shall be blown dead and maybe an illegal touching penalty of 5 or 15 yards imposed, but certainly not change of possession.

 

[grayhair81]

sorry i put the int on the receiver .

That receiver is 6'0 180 stretched on a rack with wet clothes. In fairness, he doesn't have the best hands for a receiver but that ball was delivered way too high and hard for the situation.

 

[biggreydogs]

Was this after the fair catch at the 2.5 yards line with under a minute to go? 97.5 yards drives with under a minute are right in Iowa's wheelhouse.......,..

Yes and actually got to the 35-40 with 50 seconds

 

[Dick Rambone]

So that makes Stanley Iowa's version of Tyler Chatwood then too.

 

[papabeef]

That receiver is 6'0 180 stretched on a rack with wet clothes. In fairness, he doesn't have the best hands for a receiver but that ball was delivered way too high and hard for the situation.

disagree ball was just above his head .

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

That receiver is 6'0 180 stretched on a rack with wet clothes. In fairness, he doesn't have the best hands for a receiver but that ball was delivered way too high and hard for the situation.

It really wasn't very high at all -- roughly head high. It did have some juice on it. In Stanley's defense, ISM was the hot read and wasn't really even looking back for the ball until it was already on him. He should have been looking for it early. If he'd been expecting it like he should have been, it wouldn't have been that hard of a catch. He just flat wasn't ready for it.

 

[brokenarrow73]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

Disagree . You’re taught early in football to never lose sight of the football. That’s job number 1! Never lose the ball. Period. No excuse IMO

never lose sight of the football? Seriously

 

[HIWB]

never lose sight of the football? Seriously

I’m trying to imagine the flexibility required to be a blocker on his imaginary football team.

 

[iowaathletes]

Many mistakes cost us the game. I’m no expert but I watched the Beyer punt in slow motion over and over and it appears 51 from Wisconsin pushed him into the ball just before his foot touched it. Wouldbt that have been Iowa’s ball? I wonder why it wasn’t reviewed.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Many mistakes cost us the game. I’m no expert but I watched the Beyer punt in slow motion over and over and it appears 51 from Wisconsin pushed him into the ball just before his foot touched it. Wouldbt that have been Iowa’s ball? I wonder why it wasn’t reviewed.

It would have been, and I agree he did nudge Beyer a little, but he was subtle enough about it so as not to draw the refs' attention. I said earlier that it was a heads-up play by the UW player, and it really was. He knew there was a chance Beyer might touch the ball and stayed engaged with him even though the ball had basically come to a stop. He just kept Beyer close to the ball hoping he'd inadvertently kick it, which he obviously did. I'm pretty sure that's not reviewable, however. The call would have had to have been made in real time, but the refs didn't notice an actual block so no flag.

Probably some pretty solid coaching on Bucky's part. Smart play by that kid.

 

[the24fan]

never lose sight of the football? Seriously

Yeah! I stand by it. You better know or have a general idea where that ball is headed and get the hell out of the way....and if no one verbally said anything than that’s a total team failure on special teams

 

[brokenarrow73]

never lose sight of the football? Seriously

Yeah! I stand by it. You better know or have a general idea where that ball is headed and get the hell out of the way....and if no one verbally said anything than that’s a total team failure on special teams

where are you were talking specifically on punt return teams. It has to be oral communication people covering the gunners do not have time to look up and find out where the ball is. I will say it this was so far after the punt had landed that no one should have been there that football

 

[papabeef]

That was not Beyer’s fault. The returner needs to be yelling at the top of his lungs to get away. Beyer was just doing his job.

why is it beyers job to be blocking for a football that is not going to be fielded by any of his team mates ? his job is to block for some one returning the football .

 

[INXS83]

I forgive him. However it was a bonehead play. You learn this simple concept in pee wee football. I just can’t get over year after year why our ST’s costs us so many games. They are horrific every year. Just dumb plays year after year.

BS. 2015. Great place kicker and good punter. Desmond King returning punts & KO's. How soon they forget.

 

[JupiterHawk]

This is a fvcked-up thread and I would have hope been deleted.

Someone used the term forgive...really? There’s nothing to forgive! The kid made a mistake.