Biden announces measures to curb gun violence

[Finance85]

Here's the link to the press release.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...policing-and-community-violence-intervention/

I really only object to 2 things. First there's the statement that illegal gun trafficking originates in the South. What's the basis and the purpose for saying that? Second is the notion that simply throwing money at the problem will solve it.

I agree we should stop the illegal purchase of guns. Let's make that apply to everyone, including Hunter Biden. There's currently a federal court case involving the FOIA request from the Secret Service and ATF. ATF seized the Form 4473 from the dealer who sold Hunter Biden the handgun. This was after the gun dealer refused to give it to the Secret Service. For those of you who aren't aware, there's a question on the form that would have disqualified Hunter from purchasing a handgun if answered truthfully.

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The same year Hunter purchased the handgun, he admittedly was addicted to drugs, in his memoir.

So yes, let's crack down on illegal gun purchases. Straw buyers, and those who lie on form 4473 should be a good start.

 

[Huey Grey]

Rs will make it their business to derail all of these efforts.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Rs will make it their business to derail all of these efforts.

This is the great liberal strategy - Dem-run cities reduce funding their own police so that the fed "gives cities and states historic levels of funding that they can use". Why is do you see handing off local concerns to the fed as good?

 

[LBoogie28]

I’m old enough to remember (but not old enough to forget) that OP was worried less about gun regulation, and more about 3D printers.

 

[Nat Algren]

What a maroon!

 

[Huey Grey]

This is the great liberal strategy - Dem-run cities reduce funding their own police so that the fed "gives cities and states historic levels of funding that they can use". Why is do you see handing off local concerns to the fed as good?

You're proving my point that Rs will oppose this.

 

[Rifler]

Rs will make it their business to derail all of these efforts.

These aren't real efforts, this is simply a smoke screen,... The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the criminals.

 

[DFSNOLE]

You're saying T&P aren't working?

 

[BGHAWK]

Hunter Biden doesn't seem to me to be the problem, at least at this point. I'm just a wee bit more concerned with the number of teenagers in my community that have them illegally.

 

[Huey Grey]

These aren't real efforts, this is simply a smoke screen,... The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the criminals.

What do you do about the criminals then?

 

[BGHAWK]

What do you do about the criminals then?

Just a thought here, get the guns out of their paws.

 

[Finance85]

Hunter Biden doesn't seem to me to be the problem, at least at this point. I'm just a wee bit more concerned with the number of teenagers in my community that have them illegally.

Everyone that buys a gun illegally is a problem. Every time someone who is politically connected gets away with doing something illegal is a problem.

 

[Rifler]

What do you do about the criminals then?

We used to actually arrest, charge, try and sentence them,.. perhaps start there.

 

[Finance85]

Joe made some outrageous statements yesterday, including saying people in colonial times couldn't own a cannon. The truth is, there were no federal prohibitions on what firearms could be owned until 1934.

If Joe is interested, there are privately owned cannons from colonial times littering the waters off the Atlantic Coast down to the Bahamas.

 

[BGHAWK]

Everyone that buys a gun illegally is a problem. Every time someone who is politically connected gets away with doing something illegal is a problem.

I agree that every time someone who is politically connected gets away with doing somethin illegal is a problem, but some are worse than others as I alluded to. I wonder when trump will finally pay for his illegal activities.

 

[seminole97]

First there's the statement that illegal gun trafficking originates in the South. What's the basis and the purpose for saying that?

a report in 2010 based on information provided by ATF, and concluded that "in 2009 ten states (Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia) supplied almost half the interstate-trafficked guns recovered at crime scenes"

California, Ohio, Arizona, and Pennsylvania. You know. The South.

Honestly, I’d be surprised if those 10 states don’t hold half our population.

 

[Tom Paris]

This is the great liberal strategy - Dem-run cities reduce funding their own police so that the fed "gives cities and states historic levels of funding that they can use". Why is do you see handing off local concerns to the fed as good?

This is total bullshit.

 

[Tom Paris]

Republicans are more concerned about protecting children from books/learning, than guns/dying in school shootings.

What the hell is wrong with these people??? How is ANYONE okay with this????

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

What do you do about the criminals then?

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torture criminals, make them think twice about committing ting certain crimes. If they are caught with an illegal gun cut off a hand. If they shoot someone put them in a room and have the same thing done to them.
instead we’re going to give these criminals money if they turn in the guns they illegally have. Hell I might as well try and steal some guns and turn them in and get rewarded for it.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torcher criminals,

I like how you think

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

If guns get into the hands of illegals, hold the last legal gun owner responsible.

make kits to build guns illegal.
harsh penalties for anybody caught with an illegal gun.

take the republican abortion approach of filing lawsuits. If someone makes any violent comment online, let people sue the retailers that sell guns to violent individuals

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

I like how you think

Fixed it for ya. But we could torch criminals as well.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

I wonder how many killings would be averted if "stop and frisk" was back in effect, probably a lot. Biden can't put a dent in gang violence without upsetting his voting base and you all know it.

 

[Billy Sharples]

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torture criminals, make them think twice about committing ting certain crimes. If they are caught with an illegal gun cut off a hand. If they shoot someone put them in a room and have the same thing done to them.
instead we’re going to give these criminals money if they turn in the guns they illegally have. Hell I might as well try and steal some guns and turn them in and get rewarded for it.

I think the Middle East is more your style. Heathen.

 

[seminole97]

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torture criminals, make them think twice about committing ting certain crimes. If they are caught with an illegal gun cut off a hand. If they shoot someone put them in a room and have the same thing done to them.
instead we’re going to give these criminals money if they turn in the guns they illegally have. Hell I might as well try and steal some guns and turn them in and get rewarded for it.

You’re going to be called a racist when our judicial system starts amputating more hands from a particular cohort of society.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1114&context=mjrl

 

[Nole-4-Life]

If guns get into the hands of illegals, hold the last legal gun owner responsible.

make kits to build guns illegal.
harsh penalties for anybody caught with an illegal gun.

take the republican abortion approach of filing lawsuits. If someone makes any violent comment online, let people sue the retailers that sell guns to violent individuals

How would you track that? I'm not sure about everywhere, but there is no gun registry in Florida.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

How would you track that? I'm not sure about everywhere, but there is no gun registry in Florida.

Maybe a good place to start would be to start one

guns just don’t happen to jump on the store shelves into hands of people who legally shouldnt have one.

everybody wants to complain about the illegal guns, but then continue to cry “what can we do” when somebody throws out any suggestions on what we can do.

 

[seminole97]

make kits to build guns illegal.

I don’t think you realize it doesn’t work like that.
While there are ‘kits’ available, that have the washers, screws and nuts you’ll need, they can be purchased individually.
Can’t outlaw a screw or a washer.

Personal CNC machines already exist.
For less than $500 you can get a block of aluminum and start milling unserialized receivers yourself.

The home manufacturing equipment and materials will only get better.

harsh penalties for anybody caught with an illegal gun.

Laws with disparate impact are judged racist.
Not saying you’re a racist for wanting strong punishment for anyone caught in illegal possession of a firearm, but it will be presented that way.

 

[Nole-4-Life]

Maybe a good place to start would be to start one

guns just don’t happen to jump on the store shelves into hands of people who legally shouldnt have one.

everybody wants to complain about the illegal guns, but then continue to cry “what can we do” when somebody throws out any suggestions on what we can do.

Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out the situation as it stands right now.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

Every purchase I have made for a firearm required a permit (if it was a handgun) and oodles of paperwork to be filled out. Every purchase of a long gun also required oodles of paperwork. This was required whether I purchased at a retail store or a gun show.

Whoever thinks you can just plunk down cash and walk out the door no questions asked is totally wrong.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

You’re going to be called a racist when our judicial system starts amputating more hands from a particular cohort of society.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1114&context=mjrl

I know. Why would we actually want to do something about the problem. Just throw money at them if they turn the guns in.

 

[BGHAWK]

I wonder how many killings would be averted if "stop and frisk" was back in effect, probably a lot. Biden can't put a dent in gang violence without upsetting his voting base and you all know it.

Another lie.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

Every purchase I have made for a firearm required a permit (if it was a handgun) and oodles of paperwork to be filled out. Every purchase of a long gun also required oodles of paperwork. This was required whether I purchased at a retail store or a gun show.

Whoever thinks you can just plunk down cash and walk out the door no questions asked is totally wrong.

Therefore if your gun gets into someone elses hands and is used for a crime, you should be held responsible.

 

[MitchLL]

Just pay attention to where all the NRA $$$ goes this summer and you'll know how this ends.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

I don’t think you realize it doesn’t work like that.
While there are ‘kits’ available, that have the washers, screws and nuts you’ll need, they can be purchased individually.
Can’t outlaw a screw or a washer.

Personal CNC machines already exist.
For less than $500 you can get a block of aluminum and start milling unserialized receivers yourself.

The home manufacturing equipment and materials will only get better.

if someones going to go through the hastle of picking through screws, springs and such, and getting a CNC machine, so be it. I dont think that is a reason why we should make it easier for people to construct their own gun

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

Therefore if your gun gets into someone elses hands and is used for a crime, you should be held responsible.

So if someone steals a hammer from your garage and bludgeons someone to death with it you should be held responsible also?

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I wonder how many killings would be averted if "stop and frisk" was back in effect, probably a lot. Biden can't put a dent in gang violence without upsetting his voting base and you all know it.

LOL. Hopefully we can soon put an end to your gangs as well as the urban gangbangers.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

Therefore if your gun gets into someone elses hands and is used for a crime, you should be held responsible.

Nope

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

LOL. Hopefully we can soon put an end to your gangs as well as the urban gangbangers.

I'm good with stop and frisk if it reduces crime, what about you?

 

[Nole-4-Life]

Every purchase I have made for a firearm required a permit (if it was a handgun) and oodles of paperwork to be filled out. Every purchase of a long gun also required oodles of paperwork. This was required whether I purchased at a retail store or a gun show.

Whoever thinks you can just plunk down cash and walk out the door no questions asked is totally wrong.

Yes. Not sure what state you're in. In Florida, you do have to fill out paperwork, get a background check, etc. I do believe they are required to keep the sales info for 20 years. However, you aren't required to have a permit to own the weapon, just to conceal carry it. I could buy one today, sell it to someone else tomorrow with no paperwork or licensing of any kind. They should have some sort of registry so keeping track of these things would be a little easier.