Biden announces measures to curb gun violence
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Man imagine if a criminal stole your air compressor and nail gun. The damage they could do to someone
How do you figure? A kid grabs an unsecured gun and shoots someone. The owner of the gun is arrested and charged for not having their gun secured. How is that "nothing"?
Or do you not believe gun owners should be responsible for securing their guns?
I’m saying that you can make that a law and that parent gets a slap on the wrist and the same situation happens again a month later. It didn’t stop anything
Something more needs to happen. We have a lot of laws and our jails are over crowded and inmates are released early all the time. If we have so many laws preventing stuff why are jails always crowded and people continuing to break laws and killing people?
making another law isn’t going to curb gun violence
Not if their guns are taken away. Big fines levied. Jail time perhaps. Civil suits. Those are all deterrents. We need gun owners to be responsible for their weapons. I think most responsible gun owners would agree. It won't fix everything but it's a step in the right direction.
And, the NRA will fight to the death to allow any American to own a cannon, and to use it to "Stand their ground", when they blow a hole in some hapless delivery person who pulls into the wrong driveway.
I believe a annual fee, just like getting a car tag would be helpful. If nothing else it pays for administrative costs of your proposals. And, it doesn't have to be anywhere near as expensive as a car tag. Say $10 per gun. You want a gun, you can afford $10 a year.
As far as i am concerned, it its accessible by anybody outside of the legal gun owner it is unsecure.
if its not on your person, it prolly should be locked up in a safe
I think that's open to discussion but I would say locked up and inaccessible to someone without effort. Gun out of sight in a locked vehicle - secured. Gun left on the seat of an unlocked vehicle - unsecured. Gun in a locked gun case at home - secured. Gun in the top drawer of a nightstand - unsecured. There are certainly gray areas in between that would have to be defined but most will get the gist.
Well, just a quick google search says the typical entry level gunsafe is 200-600 lbs. if your standard thief is able to make off with a gun safe and manage to get the guns out, i will make an exception for you, Mr. ‘i am going to throw out random, unrealistic scenarios to avoid any sort of responsibility as a gun owner’ Guy.
i would also be fine with some sort of insurance that could be purchased just in case your average robber will make off with tbat safe and get it open.
I agree for certain if the car is unlocked. If the car is locked I'm less convinced.
My baby step is letting turdscratch off the hook in case a thief stole a 200-600 lb safe from his home, got it open and used the gun for illegal activities
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Because laws beget more laws, it never stops. One example is the legal limit was .10 now it is .08 and next it will be .06.
Laws can't regulate good common sense.
$2725 delivered for this one.
They sell the designs and phone support too, so it’s not like you have to program it yourself.
It finishes 80% receivers, they aren’t being made from blank stock, no? And just so we are clear, designing and programming are not the same thing. It’s not that it is brain surgery, but I can give a solid model to several different machinists, and the product for each will vary.
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Ok, I see now. Original link for the mill itself only references finishing lowers. Looks like you mill the upper-lower from the billet, and still purchase the lower-lower as part of their kit. Wouldn’t call that 0% just yet, although they claim future releases of model/code/billet for the lower lower and buffer tube adapter (why the wait?).
The second part is just marketing. People aren’t born with prior technical skill, it’s always gained. You don’t need prior wood working skills to make a table, right? Video on their site even references understanding when it doesn’t zero properly and troubleshooting the setup. Again, not earth shattering, but a level of complexity higher than 3D printing. What I see as possibly being over sold, is the “plug and play” aspect. Its probably rather easy with models and stepwise programs they sell/approve, but the “beginner” may be limited to those. To continue the theme, it would be similar to buying a table from ikea (and “building it”). Possible an online community is sharing designs/models that work on the machine as well (working with the basic tooling provided). Design your own? Sure, It’s g-code based so you could definitely fab from your own design, but you would need to be familiar with the mills limitations, as well as the tooling involved. But if you aren’t remotely technically inclined, and are just going to use someone else’s work? What’s wrong with the 80% receiver assuming the ban doesn’t go through? Even if the ban does go through, these types of mills would only supplant that market. Want an easier setup, quicker turn, with lower cost of entry, and even less know how? 3D print the lower and just replace after 600 rounds. I would honestly pay double for machine with larger work space, already include better tooling/clamping, can work steel, and is more “general purpose.” This unit’s capabilities, and it’s marketing pitch, falls somewhere between a 3d printer and fully capable 3-axis mill.
And to answer my own question, they made reference to being on the 6th op with what looked like a 50% complete upper-lower. I also hope they advise the user to break those edges after the part comes off the table. Nothing under .005.”
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That's not an example of more laws, that's an adjustment to a current law. That's a BS answer.
LOL - yeah, I'm sending $500 for this. JFC
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I am really curious to learn if his statement about gun manufacturers being exempt from lawsuits is true. I doubt it.
The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S.-based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.
The PLCAA is codified at 15 U.S.C. §§ 7901–7903.
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Which is exactly what I’d expect. His statement was patently false. Why should gun manufacturers be liable when their products are used to commit crimes?
Just wait 10 or 20 for the ‘disparate impact’ in prosecutions of black people pursuant to this focus of federal funds and efforts.
Black community leaders were chief among those calling for the crime bills that were passed in the late 80s and early 90s.
Tunes changed.
“While gun violence touches Americans in diverse communities across the country, homicides are largely concentrated in urban areas with high minority populations. The most recent 5-year average of CDC data on gun deaths show that approximately 80% of them occur in such areas.”
That’s from the Brady gun control group.
