Biden announces measures to curb gun violence

[Jan Itor]

Another lie.

Which part is a lie?

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I'm good with stop and frisk if it reduces crime, what about you?

Nope, not without a reason.

 

[RileyHawk]

a report in 2010 based on information provided by ATF, and concluded that "in 2009 ten states (Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia) supplied almost half the interstate-trafficked guns recovered at crime scenes"

California, Ohio, Arizona, and Pennsylvania. You know. The South.

Honestly, I’d be surprised if those 10 states don’t hold half our population.

Ever heard of the Iron Pipeline?

 

[RileyHawk]

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torture criminals, make them think twice about committing ting certain crimes. If they are caught with an illegal gun cut off a hand. If they shoot someone put them in a room and have the same thing done to them.
instead we’re going to give these criminals money if they turn in the guns they illegally have. Hell I might as well try and steal some guns and turn them in and get rewarded for it.

That might work if not for that pesky Constitution.

 

[SSG T]

Background checks (on every sale)
Required training (including qualification)
Licensing
Registration
Require proper storage

Start with those. Don't ban anything that isn't already (Class III tax, etc). Make sure that people are allowed to have a weapon, know how to use a weapon, and that weapon is easily traceable if used in a crime (for example if stolen).

Start with that and see what happens. If nothing else, doing those should greatly impact the number of negligent shootings because of training and storage.

 

[RileyHawk]

I don’t think you realize it doesn’t work like that.
While there are ‘kits’ available, that have the washers, screws and nuts you’ll need, they can be purchased individually.
Can’t outlaw a screw or a washer.

Personal CNC machines already exist.
For less than $500 you can get a block of aluminum and start milling unserialized receivers yourself.

The home manufacturing equipment and materials will only get better.


Laws with disparate impact are judged racist.
Not saying you’re a racist for wanting strong punishment for anyone caught in illegal possession of a firearm, but it will be presented that way.

It would definitely thin out the numbers. Then make it illegal to manufacture your own gun. Thins it out some more. The have extensive background checks and qualifications for anyone buying a gun. Then make laws holding gun owners accountable for what happens with their guns. That's what "well regulated" looks like.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

That might work if not for that pesky Constitution.

I never said it would work in todays world the way it operates. I’m simply sharing my opinion that I believe it would help cut down on so many criminals breaking laws. But for some reason we have to protect all these people breaking laws and make sure we don’t hurt their feelings.

 

[RileyHawk]

Every purchase I have made for a firearm required a permit (if it was a handgun) and oodles of paperwork to be filled out. Every purchase of a long gun also required oodles of paperwork. This was required whether I purchased at a retail store or a gun show.

Whoever thinks you can just plunk down cash and walk out the door no questions asked is totally wrong.

Have you ever smoked marijuana? If so, you're an illegal owner of a gun according to Finance.

 

[RileyHawk]

So if someone steals a hammer from your garage and bludgeons someone to death with it you should be held responsible also?

No.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Have you ever smoked marijuana? If so, you're an illegal owner of a gun according to Finance.

Just peyote and evidently magic mushrooms.

 

[RileyHawk]

I never said it would work in todays world the way it operates. I’m simply sharing my opinion that I believe it would help cut down on so many criminals breaking laws. But for some reason we have to protect all these people breaking laws and make sure we don’t hurt their feelings.

"For some reason"? Again, it's the Constitution. There's not a time in our history as a country that it would have worked.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

Nope

If you are a responsiblengun owner, one would make sure it never turns into an illegal gun. Why dont you want accountability?

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

If you are a responsiblengun owner, one would make sure it never turns into an illegal gun. Why dont you want accountability?

For one thing, his cult leader has never been accountable for anything.

 

[globalhawk]

I’ve been saying it for years and I’ll say it again. We need to torture criminals, make them think twice about committing ting certain crimes. If they are caught with an illegal gun cut off a hand. If they shoot someone put them in a room and have the same thing done to them.
instead we’re going to give these criminals money if they turn in the guns they illegally have. Hell I might as well try and steal some guns and turn them in and get rewarded for it.

So Sharia Law?

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

So Sharia Law?

You can't go much further right wing than the taliban.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Every purchase I have made for a firearm required a permit (if it was a handgun) and oodles of paperwork to be filled out. Every purchase of a long gun also required oodles of paperwork. This was required whether I purchased at a retail store or a gun show.

Whoever thinks you can just plunk down cash and walk out the door no questions asked is totally wrong.

Not commenting at all on what Biden is proposing as I haven't read it, but in many states those requirements only apply for licensed dealers and not for private party sales. There are some states where it is required for private party to either facilitate through a licensed dealer or at least show a permit indicating the buyer is legal to purchase a firearm (but not fill out paperwork).

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

No.

Why?

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

If you are a responsiblengun owner, one would make sure it never turns into an illegal gun. Why dont you want accountability?

If someone steals your hammer and kills somebody with it should you be accountable?

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

If someone steals your hammer and kills somebody with it should you be accountable?

Dumb anology is dumb

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

So Sharia Law?

What’s religious about what I said. And you’re correct let’s do nothing and bitch about it. That seems to work much better.

 

[globalhawk]

What’s religious about what I said. And you’re correct let’s do nothing and bitch about it. That seems to work much better.

I’m not bitching about it. Some areas of the country need to do much better. Your examples of punishment is precisely Sharia law. Might want to look it up.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

I’m not bitching about it. Some areas of the country need to do much better. Your examples of punishment is precisely Sharia law. Might want to look it up.

Well when I look it up the first thing I saw was that it was religious law forming. I didn’t want anything I was saying to be religious.
but yeah that’s basically what I’d like to see happen here. Tired of criminals getting a little slap on the wrist.

 

[globalhawk]

Well when I look it up the first thing I saw was that it was religious law forming. I didn’t want anything I was saying to be religious.
but yeah that’s basically what I’d like to see happen here. Tired of criminals getting a little slap on the wrist.

Where do you live?

 

[LBoogie28]

Personal CNC machines already exist.
For less than $500 you can get a block of aluminum and start milling unserialized receivers yourself.

By your generic “CNC machines” and context, I will assume you mean milling. What’s the introductory cost for a “personal” unit these days? $5k-$6k. Honestly haven’t looked in awhile. What is the working/cutting area? As an aside, how many hours do you envision it takes to program (CAM tool) and run each op per receiver?

 

[RileyHawk]

Why?

Because we don't have an issue with hammer deaths.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Where do you live?

200 Hawkins Drive
Iowa City IA
Well that’s where you can find me for most of the day anyway

 

[DFSNOLE]

You can't go much further right wing than the taliban.

Now you've done it! Soon Poet will be here to argue the Taliban actually was founded on left-wing principles.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

Because we don't have an issue with hammer deaths.

So you believe they are less dead when beaten by a stolen hammer than a stolen gun? Dead is dead in my book. It appears you are prejudiced against legal gun owners.

 

[RileyHawk]

So you believe they are less dead when beaten by a stolen hammer than a stolen gun? Dead is dead in my book. It appears you are prejudiced against legal gun owners.

I believe there's not enough of an issue with it to warrant such measures. Guns were designed to kill and do kill thousands each year.

Now, if you want to continue this absurd analogy, by all means yes - let's have accountability laws for guns and hammers too. If that's what it takes. SMFH

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

I believe there's not enough of an issue with it to warrant such measures. Guns were designed to kill and do kill thousands each year.

People were designed not to kill and kill thousands each year.

 

[RileyHawk]

People were designed not to kill and kill thousands each year.

That's why there are accountable laws for people. Good point.

 

[DFSNOLE]

So you believe they are less dead when beaten by a stolen hammer than a stolen gun? Dead is dead in my book. It appears you are prejudiced against legal gun owners.

What is the primary purpose of a hammer compared to that of a gun?

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

That's why there are accountable laws for people. Good point.

Laws were designed not to be broken. Laws are broken time and time again.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

What is the primary purpose of a hammer compared to that of a gun?

Both can be used safely and to perform lawful tasks and both can be used unsafely and for unlawful tasks. What’s your point?

 

[FranklinHawk]

What is the primary purpose of a hammer compared to that of a gun?

I'm pretty sure it's smashing fingers.

 

[Rifler]

I'm pretty sure it's smashing fingers.

Some people shouldn't own a gun,.. you shouldn't own a hammer.

 

[RileyHawk]

Laws were designed not to be broken. Laws are broken time and time again.

Yes, and there are consequences if caught. What's proposed here is to create accountability laws that have consequences. You've done a good job highlighting an example where they already exist.

 

[TheCainer]

We used to actually arrest, charge, try and sentence them,.. perhaps start there.

When did we stop doing all of that?

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Yes, and there are consequences if caught. What's proposed here is to create accountability laws that have consequences. You've done a good job highlighting an example where they already exist.

So you want to make another law that does absolutely nothing? Got it

 

[FranklinHawk]

Some people shouldn't own a gun,.. you shouldn't own a hammer.

I have air tools for driving nails.